Bhp/kw glitch?

[phoenixaudi]

Bought a sauber c9 Mercedes and noticed after a few races that it got more power that it should have? It is 100 % stock and got 691 kw instead of 529 kw? Is there anybody else having this problem? Same goes with my pescarolo c60 hybride-judd '05. (the pp of the cars didn't
change)

 

[fa1con]

Not a glitch. Was in gt5 aswell. After a few races you have broken in the engine so it gains abit more power

 

[mistersafeway]

Engine break in isn't in GT6.

 

[phoenixaudi]

And btw the car doesn't feel to have more power. I'll upload pictures soon.

 

[swg]

Engine break in isn't in GT6.

I dissagree. I've noticed a couple of my cars gaining small amounts of speed after clocking a fair amount of miles. The OP's numbers dont look like break in though. Thats a big power difference.

 

[mistersafeway]

Speed in a straight line or do you mean more power when you look? Speed in a straight line 'after clocking a fair amount of miles' is almost certainly learning the car, and none of the cars I've driven have gained power after the initial oil change.

 

[swg]

Speed in a straight line or do you mean more power when you look? Speed in a straight line 'after clocking a fair amount of miles' is almost certainly learning the car, and none of the cars I've driven have gained power after the initial oil change.

What is there to "learn" about the car to go faster in a straight line? Press gas, dont hit wall. New car goes one speed, worn in one goes another.

 

[mistersafeway]

Unless you're only driving on Route X there are corners before the straight, learning the car allows you to get it faster coming into the straight.

 

[Famine]

It is 100 % stock and got 691 kw instead of 529 kw?

Sounds like the horsepower figure is being displayed in kW.

For reference 529kW is 709hp.

 

[swg]

Unless you're only driving on Route X there are corners before the straight, learning the car allows you to get it faster coming into the straight.

Op is talking actual numbers and I am talking about route x. The straights are too long for corner exit to make any difference on top end.

 

[dr_slump]

Sounds like the horsepower figure is being displayed in kW.

For reference 529kW is 709hp.

But how do you get 691? Hp shown as kW, but decreased because of bad oil?



Mine has 691kW too, but I say it's because one of the updates must have messed with the power numbers or maybe he forgot that he used the powerlimiter. My C9 has 0 miles by the way.

 

[phil_75]

Op is talking actual numbers and I am talking about route x. The straights are too long for corner exit to make any difference on top end.

I'll put it simply for you:

Has your car increased in bhp/kw from breaking in?

 

[Famine]

But how do you get 691? Hp shown as kW, but decreased because of bad oil?

Could be. It's close enough I wouldn't worry about it. 691hp would be 515kW, so if the showroom value said 529kW it could easily just be GT being GT with the showrom vs. actual power figure. I haven't checked the Sauber C9 yet, but I can do later.

 

[dr_slump]

Could be. It's close enough I wouldn't worry about it. 691hp would be 515kW, so if the showroom value said 529kW it could easily just be GT being GT with the showrom vs. actual power figure. I haven't checked the Sauber C9 yet, but I can do later.

I edit quite a lot, sorry. Here's what I added:

Mine has 691kW too (without oil change), but I say it's because one of the updates must have messed with the power numbers or maybe he forgot that he used the powerlimiter. My C9 has 0 miles by the way.

I think 691kW is just right without oil change.

 

[Ferrari458Italia]

Engine break in isn't in GT6.

yes it is

 

[phoenixaudi]

The limiter of the sauber is up to 100%. I've bought it with 529 kw, did a few races and then i noticed it's power raised up. No oil change no Setup changes. My pescarolo has the Same problem, 675 kw instead of 475 kw.

 

[Famine]

Okay, I just checked v1.01 for you.

Sauber Mercedes C9 '89
Showroom power - 710hp (529.7kW)
Garage overview power - 927hp (691.5kW)
Car overview power - 927hp (691.5kW)
Settings screen power - 927hp (691.5kW)

So I'll refer you to my earlier answer:

it could easily just be GT being GT with the showroom vs. actual power figure. I haven't checked the Sauber C9 yet, but I can do later.

 

[swg]

I'll put it simply for you:

Has your car increased in bhp/kw from breaking in?

Let me make it simple for you. The car's straight line speed increased with increased mileage. Theres really no arguing the fact. Whether hp has increased I dont know, I didnt exactly write it down and I'm not going to buy another and grind out 1000 miles on it for a pointless debate. The speed HAS increased as I monitor that constantly just to entertain myself while grinding like the wind races.

 

[swg]

Okay, I just checked v1.01 for you.

Sauber Mercedes C9 '89
Showroom power - 710hp (529.7kW)
Garage overview power - 927hp (691.5kW)
Car overview power - 927hp (691.5kW)
Settings screen power - 927hp (691.5kW)

So I'll refer you to my earlier answer:

Thats a huge difference. Certainly enough to sway my decision to purchase a car. Any other cars known to have this discrepancy?

 

[Famine]

Probably any Group C or LMP car.

GT's always done this to some extent - I think the earliest gross example was the Special Mini 1275S in GT2, which had 63hp in the showroom but well over 240hp once you'd bought it.

I'm working on the "real" power list for GT6 right now for the GTPEDIA update. If you've got a copy of GTPEDIA, just look in the GT5 section for now for likely ballpark "real" power figures (the Sauber in GT5 had 899hp when bought on 0.0 miles without an oil change) - though there's also an Excel file in the GT5 forum (look in the sticky threads for my car list) that gives the same information.

 

[mistersafeway]

@Famine, what's your opinion on engine break in in GT6? As I've stated, none of my cars have noticeably done so, but that doesn't mean it's the same for all cars. I like race cars, so that could be the issue.

Asking you specifically as you're unbiased, do research for GTPEDIA, and you're already posting here. Sorry if I'm disturbing you during something important.

 

[Famine]

I don't know yet. I've not really driven anything far enough - I'm still on v1.01 (and v1.00, though that console is now protesting about it) checking certain things, rather than playing through (though I'm nearly done with that).

I'll have a look at some of the cars I've driven later this evening. I know I drove that Fit RS pretty far into the game so that should show some effects if they're present. I've got a reasonably used R35 TC too - more power means more obvious numerical changes for the same percentages.

Edit: Quick glance. 96 mile Fit RS and 0.0 mile Fit RS have identical power ratings after an oil change at 123hp and 114lbfft

 

[eSZee]

I dissagree. I've noticed a couple of my cars gaining small amounts of speed after clocking a fair amount of miles. The OP's numbers dont look like break in though. Thats a big power difference.

My cars lose power after a couple hundred miles.

 

[montez34]

There is no engine break in. Nascars have 892hp in GT5 fully broken in, if you buy a nascar in GT6 and change the oil it has 892hp, I would say that's pretty solid evidence of no break in, I haven't had a single car gain any power after the first oil change.

 

[swg]

There is no engine break in. Nascars have 892hp in GT5 fully broken in, if you buy a nascar in GT6 and change the oil it has 892hp, I would say that's pretty solid evidence of no break in, I haven't had a single car gain any power after the first oil change.

If oil change is working the same way as in gt5 then the reason your hp goes up after oil change is because you are essentially fast forwarding the break in period. Which is why everyone started changing the oil as soon as they bought the car. The fact that hp goes up with oil change is in fact evidence that there IS a break in change for engines. I have yet to change oil on any of my cars.

 

[mistersafeway]

Oil change in GT5 never fully broke a car in, though, it was more like a difference between bad oil and good oil. I also had a few cars where it felt like changing the oil made the car take more time to break in, not less.

 

[montez34]

Everyone can argue and think break in exists all they want, but I have driven almost 1,000 miles with my FGT and it has not gained any hp since I changed the oil at 0 miles. I always drive with tire wear and fuel consumption on.

 

[swg]

You just said you changed the oil at 0 miles. Like I said, you essentially just skipped break in so no, youre not going to see any change.

Oil change in GT5 never fully broke a car in, though, it was more like a difference between bad oil and good oil. I also had a few cars where it felt like changing the oil made the car take more time to break in, not less.

Break in changes hp, oil change alters hp, what more break in effects are you looking for?

 

[NixxxoN]

Maybe the break in doesn't happen when you change the oil after buying them? Just saying. I always change the oil and so far I haven't seen a break-in HP increase.

 

[mistersafeway]

You just said you changed the oil at 0 miles. Like I said, you essentially just skipped break in so no, youre not going to see any change.



Break in changes hp, oil change alters hp, what more break in effects are you looking for?

So does adding a turbo or an engine upgrade, not really proof of anything, especially because the in-game description states that it's higher quality oil.

Maybe NixxxoN has the right idea, but that would indicate that Polyphony decided to screw realism entirely, as changing to a higher quality oil IRL in no way changes an engine's break in status.