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Just saw BMW's launch video. Its looks really good!


What do you think? Does anyone know if there will be an M version? I sure hope there is one.
 
Yes there's going to be an M4. I hate that they changed the names. It's looks like a coupe 3 series so why don't they just call it that? And they forever ruined the M3 name by giving it two more doors than it should.
 
Wow, it only took them 6 years to get the taillights right.
 
It's looks like a coupe 3 series so why don't they just call it that?

It's some complicated marketing rubbish about how their 2-door cars will have more of a premium and more driver focused feel than their sedan or wagon counterparts.

I think BMW is serious about trying to copy Audi with their range this time.
 
Yeah there will be an m4 its going to replace the e92 m3 (2door one) and e93(cabby).

The next m3 will only be produced in 4 door no two door, kind of ****** really ):
 
Yeah there will be an m4 its going to replace the e92 m3 (2door one) and e93(cabby).

The next m3 will only be produced in 4 door no two door, kind of ****** really ):

At least both the next M3 and M4 will go with inline-6 power, albeit turbocharged
 
Yes there's going to be an M4. I hate that they changed the names. It's looks like a coupe 3 series so why don't they just call it that? And they forever ruined the M3 name by giving it two more doors than it should.
Lol at this ruined rubbish. I had an original 4-door some years back that was an amazingly fun car to drive & was one of the best driving cars out there on the market when it was released. I know the current E90 is up there as well.
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It's some complicated marketing rubbish about how their 2-door cars will have more of a premium and more driver focused feel than their sedan or wagon counterparts.

I think BMW is serious about trying to copy Audi with their range this time.
The cars don't carry that much of a premium.
Here's new information on the straight from the mouth of the Bavarian brand. To be specific, we have a new gallery with over 140 pictures and details on the U.S. specification model that goes on sale later this summer including prices. In the States, the 3-Series Coupe's successor will be offered initially as a 428i featuring a 240hp turbo'd 2.0-liter inline-four with prices starting from $41,425 ($1,800 more than the 2013 328i with a 230hp straight-six), and as the 435i with the 300hp 3.0-liter turbo-six with a base MSRP of $46,925 ($900 more than the 335i with the same engine).

As for more driver focused, I find that to be a bit of a stretch as well. My sis' just picked up her '13 3 Series sedan & after driving it yesterday, it feels as connected to me as my older 3 coupe. I don't believe they would suddenly make the new 4 that much different.

However, because I'm eligible to leave my 3 in September early, I should have a chance to drive a new 4 coupe & find out for myself.
 
Doesn't the 4 series get a different platform than the 3 series?

It has a longer wheelbase, is lower and wider than the current 3 series coupe.
 
It's some complicated marketing rubbish about how their 2-door cars will have more of a premium and more driver focused feel than their sedan or wagon counterparts.

I think BMW is serious about trying to copy Audi with their range this time.

Really not complicated at all.
Odd numbers Saloon, Tourer, GT, hatch..
Even number Coupe, Cabriolet and Gran Coupe (4dr coupe).
The even numbers will be more driver focused - even if only because they'll be less comfortable for rear seat passengers!

This will also be mirrored in the X lineup, with X1, X3, X5 being 5 door, and the X4 and X6 (and rumoured X2) being the versions with the Coupe roof line.

Given the expansion at the bottom end (1 series & 2 series), and rumoured expansion at the top end (possible revival of 8 series), it keeps their whole model range numbering system fairly predictable and nice and uniform.

Also, not sure how BMW is 'copying' Audi specifically with their line up?

Lol at this ruined rubbish. I had an original 4-door some years back that was an amazingly fun car to drive & was one of the best driving cars out there on the market when it was released. I know the current E90 is up there as well.

The cars don't carry that much of a premium.


^this.

As for more driver focused, I find that to be a bit of a stretch as well. My sis' just picked up her '13 3 Series sedan & after driving it yesterday, it feels as connected to me as my older 3 coupe. I don't believe they would suddenly make the new 4 that much different.

I don't think it will be that much either, but weight, track, wheelbase, CoG, Cd, etc. will all be different, and hopefully geared more towards handing and performance.

Take a test, find out!

Doesn't the 4 series get a different platform than the 3 series?

It has a longer wheelbase, is lower and wider than the current 3 series coupe.

I think it's still the same platform, despite the differing dimensions.


Personally I quite like the 4-er, I've no really problem with them renaming the 3-er coupe, or how they will position it in the market. The styling is okay, I don't love it, but I don't hate it, and in terms of the body shape, it's more of a coupe than a 2 door saloon, which earlier 2 door 3-ers were...

I look forward to seeing it in the flesh, BMW's always look better in the metal, and their press photo's always look like totally artificial weird perspective renderings.

It's about the only model where the 'modern' line doesn't look awful, so that's a plus too. In fact, I'd be tempted by the Modern, possibly in an individual colour (If only the company would stump up the readies!).

Given it's facially very similar to the F30 saloon, I do wonder how much differentiation there will be visiually between the 4-er Gran Coupe and the 3-er Saloon.

Also worth remembering that the 2 series coupe will soon be revealed, giving people a more compact coupe if they feel the 4-er has gotten too large.

What I don't like... AWD only on the 435d.. WTF?!

M4 should look freakin' awesome!
 
Look guys the new m4 will be the new m3 and the m3 will be for family guys or gals
IMO They should of done it the other way round
 

Pretty sure that applies to the petrol models, the diesel 435 is xDrive only, I'm pretty sure. Although I'm not sure if that applies globally.

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Autocar
The three launch engines will be a 181bhp four-cylinder turbodiesel in the £31,575 420d, a 242bhp 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol in the £32,595 428i and a 302bhp 3.0-litre six-cylinder petrol in the initial range-topping £40,795 435i.

Three more engines will be added one month after launch, including a 181bhp 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol in the 420i, a 254bhp 3.0-litre six-pot diesel in the 430d, and a 309bhp version of that unit in the 435d.

The 435d will be sold exclusively with BMW’s xDrive all-wheel drive system. In November, xDrive will also be offered as an option on the 420d and 420i models. Rear-drive is standard on all models except the 435d. A six-speed manual gearbox is standard on all models except the 430d and 435d, which come with an eight-speed automatic transmission. The eight-speed automatic is an optional on the rest of the range.
 
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Look guys the new m4 will be the new m3 and the m3 will be for family guys or gals
IMO They should of done it the other way round

Then it would get all too confusing, considering the majority of 3-er's around nowadays are saloons, and the 6-er (a coupe version of the 5-er) is 5+1, so a 3 series coupe being 4 makes more sense.
 
Yeah there will be an m4 its going to replace the e92 m3 (2door one) and e93(cabby).

The next m3 will only be produced in 4 door no two door, kind of ****** really ):
Isn't anyone else finding the expansion of BMW's range confusing?
 
It's a good looking car but I am starting to get confused about the BMW range.

Isn't anyone else finding the expansion of BMW's range confusing?

Really? No.

What part of it is confusing, I will gladly take the time to explain it, if it takes more than 2 lines I would be surprised (maybe 3 on a mobile device!).

The range is numbered for JC's sake, it's not even that hard,... have BMW made it soooo easy in the past that now they want to introduce ONE new number, it confuses people..? maybe Mercedes will make more sense.. we learn our ABC's before our 123's?
 
It's not an expansion, it's a logical re-naming of a few models.

Before, you had 1 (hatchback, coupe, convertible), 3 (saloon, estate, convertible, coupe), 5 (saloon, estate), 6 (coupe, convertible, Gran Coupe) and 7 (Saloon SWB + LWB).

Now you have 1 (hatchback), 2 (coupe, convertible), 3 (saloon, estate, GT), 4 ( coupe, convertible, possible Gran Coupe), 5 (saloon, estate, GT), 6 (coupe, convertible, GC), and 7 (SWB + LWB).

Basically one new model, and a few new names.
 
I see nothing confusing about this car, or BMW's new naming system. In fact, it's somewhat more coherent now.
 
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It's not an expansion, it's a logical re-naming of a few models.

No, it is BMW tossing out 30 years of name recognition and advertising to do something "new." It just seems odd, that all of a sudden, multiple brands are deciding to completely throw out their naming conventions that have worked for decades in favor of some new fangled oddities because it worked for Audi.

Don't get me wrong, making the couples the even-numbered models at BMW makes some level of sense, but it's still rather silly to get away from the original 1, 3, 5 and 7 models.

...Don't get me started on the idiocy that is currently employed at Infiniti and their Q/QX line.
 
I know. I do like a lower car with a wider wheelbase :). Not much difference, though. They should really switch up the game, especially with the tail lights. They reuse them on a lot of the M and X models.
 
No, it is BMW tossing out 30 years of name recognition and advertising to do something "new." It just seems odd, that all of a sudden, multiple brands are deciding to completely throw out their naming conventions that have worked for decades in favor of some new fangled oddities because it worked for Audi.

Don't get me wrong, making the couples the even-numbered models at BMW makes some level of sense, but it's still rather silly to get away from the original 1, 3, 5 and 7 models.

Well, except the 6-series idea is 30 years old, so it's not like using even numbers for coupes is a new concept for them. Personally, as much as I'll be sad to see the true (coupe) "M3" become an M4 this generation, the previous generation made even less sense in the lineup; here you have the 6-series, which represents the coupe car built on the 5's platform, and the 3-series sedan's two-door counterpart? Yep, that's a 3 too!

Mercedes changed their scheme around in 90's, and it's done them well. Of course, now they're going the opposite way of BMW, and killing off the CLK (and likely CL) in favour of C, E, and S coupes again.

...Don't get me started on the idiocy that is currently employed at Infiniti and their Q/QX line.

Well, yeah, that one is odd, though really, not that different from Volvo's.
 
Really? No.

What part of it is confusing, I will gladly take the time to explain it, if it takes more than 2 lines I would be surprised (maybe 3 on a mobile device!).

The range is numbered for JC's sake, it's not even that hard,... have BMW made it soooo easy in the past that now they want to introduce ONE new number, it confuses people..? maybe Mercedes will make more sense.. we learn our ABC's before our 123's?

It's not the numbering that is confusing, it's the market segments that are starting to overlap more and more.

I guess that is the ever increasing reality for all car manufacturers now. I'm not complaining though, more choice is good.
 
If BMW really care about logic in their naming scheme, they wouldn't make up random "displacement" tags for their cars. Those slowly drifted astray for a decade or two, now they're completely made up.

Anyway, wake me up when they announce the 2-series with a curb weight of less than 3000lbs.
 
If BMW really care about logic in their naming scheme, they wouldn't make up random "displacement" tags for their cars. Those slowly drifted astray for a decade or two, now they're completely made up.

Not exactly random, in this instance they're using the same tags that have become established over the years to keep it simple for people to understand the structure of the range. Since switching the line-up to forced induction they don't have too many options... how else would you differentiate a 3 series with a 4 pot twin turbo, from another 4 pot twin turbo? May as well just call them 320 and 328, since that's what people are used to seeing.

I'm no fan of the x28 models only being 4 cylinder though, even if it is a great engine.
 
To me this is just another weird thing BMW has done lately. My personal favorite is still the 6 series gran coupe, a sedan based on a coupe based on a sedan.
 
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