BNP must be stopped.

[otago]

This so called "Real Life" is your view, not a general statistic. So one more time, can you give me a source on the stat or are you going to continue posting nonsense.

LOL. Go out from your home.

I know what people around think. And finding tolerant people outside some countries like US is a huge problem actually

Also once I was in Arkansas and mentioned there is almost no any black people outside of Little Rock. So I asked the friend why is that and the answer was that north from Little Rock blacks could catch a bullet occasionally and sheriff wouldn't bother with this too much. Sounds very official and tolerant for you?

 

[boiltheocean]

LOL. Go out from your home.

I know what people around think.

Wow... Still evading a simple question.

You don't know what people around think, that's just arrogant. You only know about what you see and what you hear, and in the Grand Scheme of things, that isn't much at all. Maybe you've just been influenced by too many race related crime stories in newspapers.

 

[Only_in_f1]

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Thread title = BNP must be stopped.

BNP = BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY

When did we go to talk about 'neo nazi's' around the world?

 

[otago]

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Thread title = BNP must be stopped.

BNP = BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY

When did we go to talk about 'neo nazi's' around the world?

You logic is flawless for 5 years old. LOL

 

[Keef]

LOL. Go out from your home.

I know what people around think. And finding tolerant people outside some countries like US is a huge problem actually

Also once I was in Arkansas and mentioned there is almost no any black people outside of Little Rock. So I asked the friend why is that and the answer was that north from Little Rock blacks could catch a bullet occasionally and sheriff wouldn't bother with this too much. Sounds very official and tolerant for you?

I'm offended that you think people from my country would be violently racist like that.

And if you're from New Zealand then how is it you have a friend in Arkansas? Is he from New Zealand also? Does he live in America and know how it works here?

Also, you've still avoided posting a link to prove the "fact" that you gave SweetshopUnion.

 

[otago]

I'm offended that you think people from my country would be violently racist like that.

Tell this to my mexican friend who run into fight in Texas day one just because he is mexican.

You can't pretend that there is no some problem, surprisingly this problem won't disappear just because of this. You can pretend all americans love all people in the world, but it will be only in your dreams.

Or all people in France are crazy about north Africa emigrants, how awesome they are. Or you can put any country instead, not much difference


In my understanding tolerance is not just denying existence of any cases of intolerant behavior, but actually make people more tolerant considering real problems. People in this topic make BNP looks like group of several dumb people without any support, all that you should do just make them illegal and everything will be fine.

You'll just get another Combat 18 instead BNP, that's all you will get. Because the reason for BNP is some real problem and this problem won't disappear with BNP

 

[Speedy Samurai]

You logic is flawless for 5 years old. LOL

Logic that is 5 years old or logic from a 5 year old?

 

[otago]

Logic that is 5 years old or logic from a 5 year old?

Nazi are just ultra right wing of nationalists, they have a lot of common and have support from same social groups.

For example there were a lot of nationalist organizations in Russia in the beginning of 90-th, they were mostly talking and organizing meetings. Then somehow they became illegal. So they went underground, no meetings and talks anymore. Now they act instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j59BiLwdNO8

What do you think this at least 4% BNP supporters will do without BNP when they won't be busy with all this political stuff and other official activities anymore?

You can stop political organization, but you can't stop tens of thousands who are behind it.

 

[Spec M]

^ I can never understand what the hell you are talking about and where its going.



But anyway addressing the true contributers to this thread and the British, i'm interested in the topic of this thread because i'm concerned. As some of you may know my country, the U.S. has had a violent history fueled by racism and segregation alike. Even in the present day, though our President and leader is African American, civil rights and equality have improved their's still a strong number of prejudice that proudly show their numbers and views. I admit that sometimes I worry about the future of my country because we can't even get past our own differences and unite as one as we should be. I'm sure some of you have heard or seen some of the voyeur and racist emails that swept the net within the last several months. Its even has gotten to the point where investigations have gone underway and arrest have been made pertaining to threats of the President and his families safety.

How all this ties in with your country? Well when I was younger, I remember watching a Micheal Moore film called "Chasing Columbine". It was a documentary about the Columbine school shooting, violence in America, gun laws in America, relating politics etc. But in this documentary there was a sequence where the murder rates, prejudice and other criterias of America was compared to other countries. What was one of the least violent and racist places.., you guessed it the UK.

I was amazed that there was a place where everybody looked at each other as equals. You're not yellow, red, white, or brown, you're just simply British. Then I found out that other foreign countries share this same state of mind, like France, Brazil, and Canada to name a few. I think that has a lot to do with the the low crime and murder rates. You people just value each other more and live in harmony with each other.

Up until now I had never heard of any prejudice or social groups in your part of Europe. But i'm well aware of the ongoing neo-nazi groups in Germany and also the anti-immigrant/minority groups in Russia. To be honest I know that their's a few racist every where but 900 votes is quite surprising. In fact I wouldn't suspect them to even have enough to form a committee lol. I'm concerned because I've considered visiting the UK to scout out a potential future home there.

Should I be concerned or is this really a stage that you guys are going through over there across the big pond?
Also who do the BNP consider to be British or not?
Where do they originate from and how long have they been around?

 

[Speedy Samurai]

Nazi are just ultra right wing of nationalists, they have a lot of common and have support from same social groups.

For example there were a lot of nationalist organizations in Russia in the beginning of 90-th, they were mostly talking and organizing meetings. Then somehow they became illegal. So they went underground, no meetings and talks anymore. Now they act instead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j59BiLwdNO8

What do you think this at least 4% BNP supporters will do without BNP when they won't be busy with all this political stuff and other official activities anymore?

You can stop political organization, but you can't stop tens of thousands who are behind it.

Thank you for not answering the question! How illuminating.

 

[boiltheocean]

Thank you for not answering the question! How illuminating.

His simple question evasion count is now standing at two.

 

[Famine]

TWO? TWO!?

Check any thread he's posted in. As soon as data appears which confirms he's talking bollocks he ignores any previous line of enquiry and shifts to a new one. Note the segue from "no-one votes for them" after I showed that, in fact, people vote for them.

 

[Scaff]

His simple question evasion count is now standing at two.

Famine's quite right, he has at least half a dozen questions I've asked he's not yet bothered answering.

Not a constructive way to remain a member.


Scaff

 

[homeforsummer]

You people just value each other more and live in harmony with each other.

I think "tolerate" would perhaps be interchangeable with "value" for a lot of people too. I know of plenty of people who don't like us being such a multicultural nation (or at least, don't like certain groups of individuals from overseas), but don't feel strongly enough about it to vote for a party like the BNP.

My personal view on immigrants is that if they speak our language enough to be fully understood by a native and have a job (or actively search for one), then they're more than welcome, and indeed in those cases I'd rather have contributing immigrants to spongeing natives living their lives off the dole and benefits.

In other words, if an immigrant is able to contribute positively to society, I welcome them. I object to immigrants who make no effort to absorb themselves into our culture and make no effort to contribute through getting a job and paying our taxes.

An example I can use for comparison would be this forum - someone who comes here, makes no effort to use correct English to the best of their abilities, spams the forums and generally behaves like an ass is not welcome. The same applies to an immigrant to this country.

Also who do the BNP consider to be British or not?

Well, they're so strict in their definition on who is British or not that my friend's boyfriend, who has Japanese and Scottish parents, was born here, grew up here, speaks perfect English, went to a private school and was educated in an English university, wouldn't be welcome because of his Japanese mum and because he looks half Japanese.

As far as I'm aware their definition is even stricter too, so if you're Pakistani and your family has been here for four generations and fully immersed themselves into British culture and you're in a high-flying job, you'd still not be welcome.

 

[Only_in_f1]

You logic is flawless for 5 years old. LOL

Thanks buddy, but you missed my point.

You said people will never vote for them. Famine came up with FACTs that people in the UK do and you then went on about around the world.

....LOL?

 

[otago]

Thanks buddy, but you missed my point.

You said people will never vote for them. Famine came up with FACTs that people in the UK do and you then went on about around the world.

....LOL?

People usually don't vote for radical political organisation because it means they will rule the country and here most of people want mild approach. But a lot of people who didn't vote for them support their point of view.

Is it very complicated for you? Vote at elections and support are very different things

 

[Only_in_f1]

Wrong. Nobody will vote for neo nazis

Your quote.

 

[otago]

Your quote.

I'm not sure what are you trying to say. Voting for nazis is impossible cause they are not legal in any country. So what was you point?

By strict definition nazi is someone claiming superiority of it's own race and solely based on racism.

Nationalists are protecting rights of native population. They are not racist at all. For example there is nationalist party in New Zealand with main point to control asian emigration cause otherwise Māori will be outnumbered by chinese soon. They have nothing against chinese but actually if you want to see streets crowded by chinese you supposed to go to China, they don't belong here or to Canada.

I was amazed that there was a place where everybody looked at each other as equals. You're not yellow, red, white, or brown, you're just simply British. Then I found out that other foreign countries share this same state of mind, like France, Brazil

Quote: "One survey found that 38% of French people described themselves as racist". If you are looking for some country "where everybody looked at each other as equals" you made a wrong choice. France has probably the heaviest problems with immigrants and people not looked at each other as equals in the whole EU.

And Brazil, Rio is almost criminal capital of the world, sometimes street gunfights between police and gangs reminds more army operation.

 

[Spec M]

Quote: "One survey found that 38% of French people described themselves as racist". If you are looking for some country "where everybody looked at each other as equals" you made a wrong choice. France has probably the heaviest problems with immigrants and people not looked at each other as equals in the whole EU.

And Brazil, Rio is almost criminal capital of the world,

For the bold do you think you can find an actual source you can refer me to showing these statistics and claims? Its not that I don't believe you, I just things can be unintentionally exagerated when spread by word of mouth.

sometimes street gunfights between police and gangs reminds more army operation.

That happens here in Detroit also. We've supposedly we have a top 3 rank in the nation for murder rates. For the year 2007 city-data (http://www.city-data.com/city/Detroit-Michigan.html) recorded that there was 394 murders per 100,000 people. But that doesn't make it the criminal capital of the world.
Their's still nice areas where kids can be raised and old people can retire...

 

[Famine]

I'm not sure what are you trying to say. Voting for nazis is impossible cause they are not legal in any country. So what was you point?

By strict definition nazi is someone claiming superiority of it's own race and solely based on racism.

By strict definition, Nazism is an ideology of opposition to capitalism, communism, liberalism and democratic socialism, characterised by totalitarianism and fascism (which is ironic, because they tend to draw their votes from socialist and liberalist voters disenfranchised with mainstream parties. And because they crave voters, which fascism would deny). It has nothing to do with race or racism, but has come to be associated with it because of Hitler's NSDP policies.

Neonazism is not illegal... anywhere that I know of, frankly. And I'm perfectly comfortable with that - people have every right to say and think what they like, however retarded. And in case you don't believe me, I'll draw your attention to this thread, where we're discussing the British National Party - who have a political position which can accurately be described as "national socialism" ("Nazi" itself is a concatenation of Nationalsoziialistische - "National socialist"), and who emerged from the ashes of the neonazi National Front, themselves formed from an earlier British National Party and the White Defence League before them.

Not that you'll read any of that.

 

[Sureboss]

I loved what they did with the BNP on Have I Got News For You on Friday night

 

[otago]

For the bold do you think you can find an actual source you can refer me to showing these statistics and claims? Its not that I don't believe you, I just things can be unintentionally exagerated when spread by word of mouth.

I don't know, do you watch TV or something like this? There are always from 5000 to 8000 homicides in Rio per year, which makes 21 murders per day. And police carry assault rifles and grenades, often this epic shootouts block main roads in city

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705339171/Police-struggle-to-rid-Rio-of-crime.html

And about France it's a BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/124532.stm

 

[Scaff]

I don't know, do you watch TV or something like this? There are always from 5000 to 8000 homicides in Rio per year, which makes 21 murders per day. And police carry assault rifles and grenades, often this epic shootouts block main roads in city

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705339171/Police-struggle-to-rid-Rio-of-crime.html

And about France it's a BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/124532.stm

The Rio piece is about drug dealing and poverty (and as such has nothing at all to do with racist or the BNP), the BBC link regarding France is from 1998 and as such is over a decade old.

This is your last public warning about dragging threads off topic and using nonsense to avoid answering direct questions that have been asked of you.

The next time you do it an infraction will be issued, as quite frankly the site does not need your particular brand of nonsense.

Last chance

Scaff

 

[otago]

And in case you don't believe me, I'll draw your attention to this thread, where we're discussing the British National Party - who have a political position which can accurately be described as "national socialism" ("Nazi" itself is a concatenation of Nationalsoziialistische - "National socialist"), and who emerged from the ashes of the neonazi National Front, themselves formed from an earlier British National Party and the White Defence League before them.

Not that you'll read any of that.

I'm not sure what is all this about. Words and strict definitions mean nothing, most of modern "nazi" have nothing to do with real Nazism and racism. Press just call them so.

And I can't see what is so different about UK and UK national party from any other country and national party, it's same everywhere. In today newspaper I just read about UK government investigation: people with African/Asian names are twice less likely to get a job in UK than people with english names, even if they have British education and everything same.

This is your last public warning about dragging threads off topic and using nonsense to avoid answering direct questions that have been asked of you.
Scaff

You know Scaff, I don't care about your "warning" which came from your very straggling logic.

Yeah, Rio is perfect and save place, of course this is complete nonsense if somebody post statistics about 8000 homicides in single town 1994 or close to 6000 in 2008. It can't be because Scaff said so.

And there is no immigrant riots in France, Scuff knows better that this is complete nonsense.

Whatever you say, dude

 

[Scaff]

I'm not sure what is all this about. Words and strict definitions mean nothing, most of modern "nazi" have nothing to do with real Nazism and racism. Press just call them so.

It quite clearly shows that you can vote for a Nazi political party as they are not illegal. In other words it clear shows that your claim to the contrary is incorrect.

And I can't see what is so different about UK and UK national party from any other country and national party, it's same everywhere.

As the political structure and make-up of countries around the globe vary massively, its quite clearly not the same everywhere.

Nor are the conditions that give birth to various political organisations identical around the globe the same, however that gets away from the key point. This thread is about the British National Party, and you dragging it off-topic every time you don't feel like answering a question is the problem.

In today newspaper I just read about UK government investigation: people with African/Asian names are twice less likely to get a job in UK than people with english names, even if they have British education and everything same.

Source please.

You know Scaff, I don't care about your "warning" which came from your very straggling logic.

Ignore the warning all you like, it will not bother me, but carry on posting in the manner you do and it may bother you when you can no longer post here.

Keep going as you are, trust me it will not bother me a jot.

Yeah, Rio is perfect and save place, of course this is complete nonsense if somebody post statistics about 8000 homicides in single town 1994 or close to 6000 in 2008. It can't be because Scaff said so.

Did I at any point at all state otherwise?

No I didn't, so do not claim I did.

What I did quite clearly and accurately say is that it has nothing at all to do with this thread in any way at all.

And there is no immigrant riots in France, Scuff knows better that this is complete nonsense.

Whatever you say, dude

Again did I say that immigrant riots have not occurred in France?

Have I said no issue exists in France?

No to both counts, so do not ever try and put words in my mouth again.

What I said (and can not be disputed) is that the source of your info is over a decade old.

Oh and don't double post and you can cut the attitude right now.



Scaff

 

[Famine]

By strict definition

I'm not sure what is all this about. Words and strict definitions mean nothing

*acts surprised*

 

[Omnis]

Is it just me or does everyone else read this thread title and go, "... No matter the cost," in an Optimus Prime voice?

 

[mafia_boy]

Is it just me or does everyone else read this thread title and go, "... No matter the cost," in an Optimus Prime voice?

Yep, and then we all scream in chorus......

 

[mirial]

A bit late to respond to this, but the BNP has emerged simply because our country has been raped behind our backs by treacherous left wingers, who would never get through any vetting process that requires you to have strength or backbone.

I don't agree with all their manifesto, but it is the only party that will prevent us from totally self destructing.

If you care about your own property and it's possessions, then your country is an extension of that.

I don't care too much for the whole multi-culti thing (but to a small degree it is good); to keep everyone in the huge spectrum happy, and to ultimately restore order and control to tie in with the laws of nature, the whole system will grind to a halt with constipation.

The sooner everyone realises that the whole thing has been engineered artificially because it is spiralling out of control, the better.

Anyway here's a Clarkson rant - good on him.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article6907747.ece

 

[Sureboss]

I love how people think Britain is the only place that has bad politicians.

I like Clarkson, I should say the motoring Clarkson, he's a part of funny trio. But by half, he does talk a lot of crap.

Blame the government for everything, it's far easier than Joe Public ever being able to put their own two brain cells together and realise their own faults.

As for the BNP, they've changed their own ideals more times than I've changed underwear. They are not and never will be a political party in our democracy.