Braking <--- Correct way to to it?
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- mrvajj
Yeah it's called threshold braking, and its much easier to do in real life thanks to pedal feel and generally more external feedback going on. In GT5 its an exercise in frustration for the most part, and (I find at least) it's much easier just to leave abs set to 1 and let the car/game sort it out. Most roadcars have ABS anyway.
EDIT: sorry, most MODERN road cars.
SUPER BONUS DIRECTOR'S CUT EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_braking <- That is a decent little article about it.
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Need some further advice. I notice when I brake with Enzo or many high powered cars at circuit de la sarthe at right angle bend after the 2 chicane, I often spin out even my steering (g27) is relatively straight. I tried pumping the brake which works slightly better but still not quite predictable. Also once the car skid I find counter steer with g27 too slow or ineffective. Any tips on that segment and countersteering?
shirakawaa
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True, but GT5's implementation has little to do with real ABS systems.
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peter_vod69
I see what you mean! darn physics anyways lol. thank you for the explanation.
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- Johnnypenso
What is your Brake Balance and ABS setting? I happened to be tuning up the Enzo last night, albeit at Monza and although I find the brakes a little weak, I had no trouble trail braking into any of the corners, nor was it squirrelly under hard braking into the first chicane. That was at 600pp though.
Max out the enzo pp in terms of hp. Added rear wing downforce for stability. Brake balance default ie 5/5. Abs 1. All assist off other than driving line. No problem at monza but at the right bend of circuit de la sarthe (check out ferrari seasonal), I often spin out. Happens most with Enzo but at times with zonda r on other seasonals. Tried abs 8 and still so. Asm/srf helps but I turn them off most times unless desperate. I brake gradually hard with steering straight. Then release slowly closer to bend or if it starts to slide. Still skids. Hard brake totally throw it off early. Pumping brake helps but needs longer brake distance than indicated on driving line.
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With the Enzo and many other MR cars you can get really bad lift-throttle oversteer if you are not driving perfectly straight on a perfectly level road. There are a couple of things you can do to lessen it. It might just need the brake balance adjusted. Try things like 6/4, or 5/3 and if that makes it worse, try 4/6 or 3/5. If it gets a little better but you still have some trouble I usually set the rear toe-in around 0.33 (stock is usually 0.20) if a car is prone to lift-throttle oversteer. After that I start playing with the limited slip. Sometimes just adding a limited slip with some modest settings is enough. You could search the tuning section for some Enzo tunes or search for cures for lift-throttle oversteer.
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Well then for Sarthe, try 5/4 and then 5/3 for your brake balance and that should help. Brake balance really makes a difference in liftoff oversteer on some cars. Many of the MR cars I tune are set up with slight front bias for that reason. If I get a chance I'll take a spin on Sarthe and let you know what works for me.
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- mrvajj
If you've ever fired a gun, then the technique for braking correctly should be familiar. What I mean is, don't jab the brake down hard, rather, squeeze it on gently. Same as you would when pulling the trigger on a rifle or pistol. If your action is jerky, you are much more likely to upset the balance of the car. You want to be as smooth as possible, to allow the weight to shift gently. When coming off the brake, again, be as smooth and gentle as possible.
Thanks! Will try the brake balance,rear toe in and gradual braking. I was under impression that correct braking is brake hard then release slight pressure. Also will gradual application of brake increase braking distance needed? I also notice that car starts going wayward only midway or later thru the braking when tires are red. Even when brake is lifted, I don't regain steering control. Strange that this mainly happens at de la sarthe while similarly high speed brake at monza or Rome is not as bad.
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La Sarthe is fairly bumpy, so perhaps increase your braking distances and be gentle, at least until you've got things under control! As the control improves, try stopping shorter and shorter. But La Sarthe is perhaps one of the greatest examples of a track where the maxim "slow in, fast out" applies. Considering that most of the gain comes from outright speed in a straight line, you want to try to get to it as quickly as possible, which means nailing your exits, even if initially it means sacrificing some speed on the way into corners.
EDIT: actually, the other tip I'd give you is to try all this sort of thing with stock setups. Only when you are aware of what your own flaws are as a driver, should you start to address the flaws in the car's setup.
EDIT: actually, the other tip I'd give you is to try all this sort of thing with stock setups. Only when you are aware of what your own flaws are as a driver, should you start to address the flaws in the car's setup.
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i barly ever crash a corner and i break at the last possible moment and it works and you also get the better line and over take
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Gradually (well, smoothly) applying brakes shouldn't increase your stopping distance, because the wheels will be less likely to lock, and you can actually end up using more pressure before they do.
I haven't tested it much in GT5, but generally the "brake hard then release" method is more appropriate for formula cars like the FGT because the stiffer base suspension and chassis means much less weight shifting around than in a GT car or road car. With the heavier, springier cars you're usually driving you don't want to shift too much weight at once and overload the front of the car(or make the rear too light).
If you are having trouble with your brakes locking up and not getting control back when you relax the brake it probably means you are locking the drive wheels. If you notice that the RPMs drop more than they should and you're still sliding after letting up on the brake, try briefly giving it a little bit of gas and that should get them rolling again so you can get back on the brake.
I haven't tested it much in GT5, but generally the "brake hard then release" method is more appropriate for formula cars like the FGT because the stiffer base suspension and chassis means much less weight shifting around than in a GT car or road car. With the heavier, springier cars you're usually driving you don't want to shift too much weight at once and overload the front of the car(or make the rear too light).
If you are having trouble with your brakes locking up and not getting control back when you relax the brake it probably means you are locking the drive wheels. If you notice that the RPMs drop more than they should and you're still sliding after letting up on the brake, try briefly giving it a little bit of gas and that should get them rolling again so you can get back on the brake.
