Braking with ABS=off is impossible??
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Ah, so the ratio is messed up to begin with..
I lost it for a moment when I drove without ABS. I just thought "this isn't how it's supposed to feel" and didn't have more time to test it out except checking from the replay whether my rear wheels locked or didn't (and those surprisingly didn't but still worked as if they did), but the default ratio being 50:50 on every car explains it well (doesn't explain the non-locking tires in the replay though).
I guess I'll go mainly with a 7:3 setting from now on when racing.
I lost it for a moment when I drove without ABS. I just thought "this isn't how it's supposed to feel" and didn't have more time to test it out except checking from the replay whether my rear wheels locked or didn't (and those surprisingly didn't but still worked as if they did), but the default ratio being 50:50 on every car explains it well (doesn't explain the non-locking tires in the replay though).
I guess I'll go mainly with a 7:3 setting from now on when racing.
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Practiced a lot braking (with ABS OFF) yesterday night with various cars.
Here's my humble opinion:
1. apply brake pressure progressively with caution in the controller when driving (never floor it if using pedals).
2. even more important is the brake pressure in the setup menu. with ABS off brake pressure (either front or rear) should never exceed 3 or 4 with sports tyres. I would assume racing tyres could be adjusted to maybe 6-7. anything above these figures becomes very easy to lock the tyres.
also for most cars apply a bit more pressure in front due to transfer of weight e.g. 3 front 0 back or 2 front 1 back etc. and then practice, practice, practice. the reward and car control you get with ABS OFF is simply amazing once you start mastering it....
Here's my humble opinion:
1. apply brake pressure progressively with caution in the controller when driving (never floor it if using pedals).
2. even more important is the brake pressure in the setup menu. with ABS off brake pressure (either front or rear) should never exceed 3 or 4 with sports tyres. I would assume racing tyres could be adjusted to maybe 6-7. anything above these figures becomes very easy to lock the tyres.
also for most cars apply a bit more pressure in front due to transfer of weight e.g. 3 front 0 back or 2 front 1 back etc. and then practice, practice, practice. the reward and car control you get with ABS OFF is simply amazing once you start mastering it....
I actually play with everything off most of the time and I understand your struggles. It does take some getting used to, but it is possible, check out my licence vids with no assists. You have to be very careful with the braking and try to keep any steering to a minimum. Be very careful not to steer in the opposite direction near a braking spot as that often ends in disaster.
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- Simcoeace
I have been driving with ABS set to 0 using a G25. It's not the controller that's the problem, but the way GT5 models brake sensitivity - there's only about 20% brake pedal travel before the brakes lock up, which makes it VERY difficult to brake with any degree of feel.
I've never tried ABs on anything other than the 0 setting or 1 - given that ABS goes all the way to 10, & the 1 setting is massively different from the 0 setting, what is 10 like?!
I'll have to try messing around with the brake bias to see if this helps. At the minute, the ABS issue is the one huge negative in GT5's physics.
I've never tried ABs on anything other than the 0 setting or 1 - given that ABS goes all the way to 10, & the 1 setting is massively different from the 0 setting, what is 10 like?!
I'll have to try messing around with the brake bias to see if this helps. At the minute, the ABS issue is the one huge negative in GT5's physics.
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- bertvw
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That is an issue buddy. Just turn abs on. Threshold braking in this game is impossible, seeing as you actually have to feel the tires lock.
Me too, I did it just fine in FM3, the triggers have more movement, and are less sensitive than GT5, maybe that's it.
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- Simcoeace
The reason to do it is to make the driving more interesting. With ABS on the braking is too easy & too "dead". It's pretty much the same reason it's much more fun to drive the MR or FR cars in GT5 rather than FF or AWD. IRL driving any car really fast is going to be exciting, because there's a lot more going on. In a sim you have to compensate for the lack of feel & the lack of "danger".
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- marcovhv
- TheMarco73
I never play with a controller but... aren't the trigger buttons analog? Or are they just 'on/off'? On the xbox360 they're definitely analog and therefore gas/brake with the two triggers works absolutely beautifully in Forza 3. It's really easy to apply both brake and gas with precision just like you would with pedals.
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- Julian_Jazz
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Yes, turning the brake bias way down on both front & rear seems to do the trick. In the case of one car, I had to turn them both to "1" in order to give the brake pedal a reasonable amount of play before locking. It's a bit weird that the default should be set in the way that it is.
I agree. It took me forever to figure out why I couldn't pick up GT5 as quickly as GT4, TOCA, Forza. Turns out the brakes lock at, as you said, 30% of pedal throw. That's crazy. I'm still using a DFP, and that's nowhere near any of the spring's resistance in the pedal, so there isn't any feel or, for that matter, repeatability. Will try adjusting brake force tonight with ABS=0, although ABS=1 gave that great GT4-style 'huck it into the corner' characteristic that I fell in love with, haha.
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I am having a very hard time driving with the abs=0 but with abs=1 I have much more control over the breaking. I feel as though I am cheating for some reason. Also what can you do when you are doing the special events and can't change the brake bias or anything else for that matter. I think I will just stick with it set to 1.
I have a G27 setup.
I have a G27 setup.
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- johnwells69
I never use abs, or any other setting, while driving classic cars, 50s to 80s. You have to brake very gently. Try doing it with 1969 Corvette or 1976 Ferreri. It takes a little while but once you get it working its fine.
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- bertvw
They are analog, but i think controllers are on buttons standard for throttle and brakes. It used to be perfect controllable with PS2 controllers. The stifnes of the buttons was great and you could generally push it to its limit.
Now i feel it's more difficult, from what i saw with my mate...
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@John Wells what are you using to drive with?
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Great post, I was having some trouble with my 512BB with brake bias at 8F 3B with default sport hard tires that the car came with. I will try setting it to 3F 1B to see if this improves it.
But, the funny thing is that I don't have any issue with FR or FF cars with ABS turned off, but MR cars just give me lots of headache. Anyone feel the same way?
edit: also, someone mentioned blipping the throttle when braking, but without a clutch on my DFGT, I don't even have an option to heel-and-toe making it even harder for me to brake properly without ABS... I usually downshift as I am braking and I think is might be why I am having problem braking without ABS on MR cars. I am not hitting rev limit as I am down shifting so, I am not sure why I am having so much problem. any tips regarding this?
edit2: I read some more posts regarding this and found that I needed to press my brake all the way down during calibration of my DFGT (when the wheels are turning from one end to another during game startup). Maybe this was the reason why I kept locking my wheels up
edit3: I finally figured it out... I could not brake without ABS because my pedal was not calibrated properly. The game is so much more enjoyable and exciting because I was able to beat few stages against the AI without ABS and the car behaves more realistically!
But, the funny thing is that I don't have any issue with FR or FF cars with ABS turned off, but MR cars just give me lots of headache. Anyone feel the same way?
edit: also, someone mentioned blipping the throttle when braking, but without a clutch on my DFGT, I don't even have an option to heel-and-toe making it even harder for me to brake properly without ABS... I usually downshift as I am braking and I think is might be why I am having problem braking without ABS on MR cars. I am not hitting rev limit as I am down shifting so, I am not sure why I am having so much problem. any tips regarding this?
edit2: I read some more posts regarding this and found that I needed to press my brake all the way down during calibration of my DFGT (when the wheels are turning from one end to another during game startup). Maybe this was the reason why I kept locking my wheels up
edit3: I finally figured it out... I could not brake without ABS because my pedal was not calibrated properly. The game is so much more enjoyable and exciting because I was able to beat few stages against the AI without ABS and the car behaves more realistically!
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- johnwells69
I drive with joypad just set your brake bais how it was stated in post and its fine. Its good with pad
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edit2: I read some more posts regarding this and found that I needed to press my brake all the way down during calibration of my DFGT (when the wheels are turning from one end to another during game startup). Maybe this was the reason why I kept locking my wheels up
edit3: I finally figured it out... I could not brake without ABS because my pedal was not calibrated properly. The game is so much more enjoyable and exciting because I was able to beat few stages against the AI without ABS and the car behaves more realistically!
Can you please give an detailed explanation of calibrating the DFGT? Because since a month i have bought one too
.(Bye the way i Turned ABS off since yesterday and it's pretty doable with pedals...although it is still sensitive and the brakes lock up when pressing the pedal down 30% or so.)
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- Leprekaun
I drive with ABS off all the time. I found one of two methods help. Left-Foot braking (excluding FF cars since it would cause a worse effect) because usually the rears lock first and thats what causes the car to be quite nervous or adjust the brake balance (For example, I have my Honda NSX '90 setup 3 Front and 1 Back). That way you can apply lots of pedal pressure and not having to worry about the brakes locking.
