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Touring Mars
If the ECJ rule that Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally, it could be a disaster for the EU irrespective of Brexit.

The irony would be immense - the UK, who sincerely requested to leave, will finally be allowed to stay in if we decided to, but (as you say) we won't.

But, by ruling that Article 50 can be revoked unilaterally, it will allow any other EU member states to invoke Article 50 at will, whether they really intend to leave or not.
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And willingly spend loads of money doing it? I doubt it. A lot.

I see this as someone nominated by the EU to give us a way back without them losing face doing it.

So when/if the Government loses the vote and there being a General Election. a new Government, that didn't activate Article 50, to be able to retract. It seems plausible. Until you look at the leader of the next Government......
 
Tired Tyres
Until you look at the leader of the next Government......
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;) (Yes, yes, it's out of date)

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Well isn't that something.

Theresa May: Brexit means Brexit

ECJ: Ackchyually...
 
Tired Tyres
And willingly spend loads of money doing it? I doubt it. A lot.
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True, but it could well be a different story if a Eurozone member were to trigger Article 50.

Tired Tyres
I see this as someone nominated by the EU to give us a way back without them losing face doing it.
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Very possibly...
 
Tired Tyres
Since there is no exit from the Euro I'd say Article 50 is pure smoke and mirrors for those countries.
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Unless it's one of the 9 8 countries that don't use the Euro. I'd say that one of those would be more likely to try for a better bargain than a Eurozone country.
 
TenEightyOne
Unless it's one of the 9 8 countries that don't use the Euro. I'd say that one of those would be more likely to try for a better bargain than a Eurozone country.
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The only two net contributers are Denmark and Sweden. All the rest are net benefactors. Who's going to give up actual free money?
 
A motion to hold the UK government in contempt has just been passed by MPs by a majority of 311 to 293.

The Government must now publish the full legal advice on Brexit given to them, and the Leader of the House has said they will do so tomorrow...

This is quite an unprecedented move - the government's top legal adviser, the Attorney General (who is also an MP) spent two hours in the House of Commons yesterday in a frankly ridiculous and pompous display in which, among other things, he told opposition MPs (and Conservatives who opposed his opinions) to "grow up". Unfortunately for him, he has been ordered by Parliament to publish his legal advice and now he has been formally found to be in contempt of Parliament. I'm not sure what the possible punishment for non-compliance could/would be, but it would probably not be good. Either way, it is an embarrassment and humiliation for the Government, and it could/probably will reveal a few things that the Prime Minister doesn't want the public to know...
 
Touring Mars
Apparently the ECJ's top adviser, the Advocate General, has said that he believes that the UK can revoke Article 50 unilaterally... this contradicts advice from the EU's lawyers last week, but the Advocate General advises ECJ judges directly - things could be getting interesting.
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And it completely destroys everything you have said the past few weeks. :lol:
 
Lizard
And it completely destroys everything you have said the past few weeks. :lol:
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Not really - the decision of the ECJ still hasn't formally been made and it will not be made until after the UK Parliament has voted on the Withdrawal Agreement next week.

It was looking very unlikely that the ECJ would rule in favour of allowing the UK to unilaterally revoke Article 50, but now it is looking a lot more likely - but it remains possible that the ruling will go the other way. As I (hopefully) made clear above, the real problems involved in revoking Article 50 depend entirely on the ECJ ruling - if it turns out the ECJ rule in our favour (which I wasn't expecting) then revoking Article 50 will be considerably easier and, in my opinion, a no-brainer if government rejects May's deal next week.
 
A fun little aside (as it seems debating the current weeks news to be a little pointless given how quickly everything changes!)

The leaders of the two major parties in the U.K. can’t hold a debate, on a subject on which they both agree...


BBC cancels plan for Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn TV Brexit debate
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-jeremy-corbyn-tv-brexit-debate-a4008236.html

:lol:
Just to make the point, Jezza refused to go on BBC because he’d miss ‘I’m a Celeb’ and the PRIME ****ING MINISTER won’t go on ITV because she’ll miss ‘Strickly Come Dancing’....

God almighty, I can’t wait for these two jokers to be ancient history!
 
Touring Mars
A motion to hold the UK government in contempt has just been passed by MPs by a majority of 311 to 293.

The Government must now publish the full legal advice on Brexit given to them, and the Leader of the House has said they will do so tomorrow...

This is quite an unprecedented move - the government's top legal adviser, the Attorney General (who is also an MP) spent two hours in the House of Commons yesterday in a frankly ridiculous and pompous display in which, among other things, he told opposition MPs (and Conservatives who opposed his opinions) to "grow up". Unfortunately for him, he has been ordered by Parliament to publish his legal advice and now he has been formally found to be in contempt of Parliament. I'm not sure what the possible punishment for non-compliance could/would be, but it would probably not be good. Either way, it is an embarrassment and humiliation for the Government, and it could/probably will reveal a few things that the Prime Minister doesn't want the public to know...
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Your wish is thoughts are apparently already seen to.

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/12/03/br...clTAOp_TwGowHlp2brQNY_-Lj_nNufBADZP_cjucTnESs

No idea how reliable that site is.
 
baldgye
A fun little aside (as it seems debating the current weeks news to be a little pointless given how quickly everything changes!)

The leaders of the two major parties in the U.K. can’t hold a debate, on a subject on which they both agree...


BBC cancels plan for Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn TV Brexit debate
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-jeremy-corbyn-tv-brexit-debate-a4008236.html

:lol:
Just to make the point, Jezza refused to go on BBC because he’d miss ‘I’m a Celeb’ and the PRIME ****ING MINISTER won’t go on ITV because she’ll miss ‘Strickly Come Dancing’....

God almighty, I can’t wait for these two jokers to be ancient history!
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Anybody who votes for either of those fools deserves the not-Govenment they'll get. Meanwhile the leader of the other party will be busy doing something else when it matters. :ouch:
 
Tired Tyres
Anybody who votes for either of those fools deserves the not-Govenment they'll get. Meanwhile the leader of the other party will be busy doing something else when it matters. :ouch:
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I mean, who else do you vote for? We have a three party system... and unfortunate the Monster Raving Loony Party doesn't have a candidate for Birmingham
 
baldgye
It seems the wind direction is slowly changing...

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-jp-morgan-idUKKBN1O418B?utm_source=applenews
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People going on about defending and honoring the will of the people does my head in.... 51.9% of 72.2% of 73% of the "people" wanted this action that was offered by a government that only 37% of the voters (or 17% of the "people" wanted in power in the first place) ... and it's being undertaken by a government that only hold power thanks to the votes of 292,000 people in Northern Ireland - who actually voted for someone else...

Will of the people my bumhole.
 
MatskiMonk
and it's being undertaken by a government that only hold power thanks to the votes of 292,000 people in Northern Ireland
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And that voting partner is likely to vote against the government anyway.
 
MatskiMonk
People going on about defending and honoring the will of the people does my head in.... 51.9% of 72.2% of 73% of the "people" wanted this action that was offered by a government that only 37% of the voters (or 17% of the "people" wanted in power in the first place) ... and it's being undertaken by a government that only hold power thanks to the votes of 292,000 people in Northern Ireland - who actually voted for someone else...

Will of the people my bumhole.
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This William of the people was also lied too...
 
MatskiMonk
People going on about defending and honoring the will of the people does my head in.... 51.9% of 72.2% of 73% of the "people" wanted this action that was offered by a government that only 37% of the voters (or 17% of the "people" wanted in power in the first place) ... and it's being undertaken by a government that only hold power thanks to the votes of 292,000 people in Northern Ireland - who actually voted for someone else...

Will of the people my bumhole.
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We've had a few Governments with that sort of number.

baldgye
This William of the people was also lied too...
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Both sides lied. EVERY politician lies. It is what they do.
 
MatskiMonk
People going on about defending and honoring the will of the people does my head in.... 51.9% of 72.2% of 73% of the "people" wanted this action that was offered by a government that only 37% of the voters (or 17% of the "people" wanted in power in the first place) ... and it's being undertaken by a government that only hold power thanks to the votes of 292,000 people in Northern Ireland - who actually voted for someone else...

Will of the people my bumhole.
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The problem with this math is that even if 75% of people had voted one way or the other, an overwhelming majority by any standard, it would still work out the same ie. it still wouldn't be a majority of the population.
 

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