Britain - The Official Thread

[Johnnypenso]

No it isn't.

When is the next vote scheduled and how was this brought about by random comments on GTP?

 

[MatskiMonk]

What constitutes welfare?

Incapacity, disability & injury benefits
Unemployment benefits
Housing benefits
Family benefits, income support & tax credits
Personal social services and other benefits
and confusingly, Pensions.

 

[UKMikey]

Who said the opinions of the people who voted on the losing side are irrelevant? You should be quoting the person that said that instead of me.

Fortunately your opinion is completely irrelevant since the votes have been cast and the decision made. It's all just crying in your beer now.

These two statements are at odds with each other.

When is the next vote scheduled and how was this brought about by random comments on GTP?

No one said it had anything to do with random comments on GTP. It has more to do with being a citizen of the UK.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...britons-support-icm-poll-survey-a8180456.html

 

[Mr Tree]

Incapacity, disability & injury benefits
Unemployment benefits
Housing benefits
Family benefits, income support & tax credits
Personal social services and other benefits
and confusingly, Pensions.

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Doesn't seem to be all ro large a chunck of the budget when I see what it covers

People might have other opinions

 

[baldgye]

When is the next vote scheduled and how was this brought about by random comments on GTP?

What are you talking about?
Since when are any decisions made in Parliament final and never to be argued for or against afterward?

Though I’ll confess, I think it was me who instigated this Brexit talk over my comments about the BBC.

 

[MatskiMonk]

People might have other opinions

Generally people like me that receive none of this benefit, but have to help fund it, might have other opinions

 

[Mr Tree]

Generally people like me that receive none of this benefit, but have to help fund it, might have other opinions

I'm one that doesn't get the benefit and pays for it through taxes.
I don't have a single issue with it.

I do have a friend with ms who was very lucky she has these options and even then struggle to make ends meat from time to time.
And a friend who didn't get the benefit having epp and thus beeing ****ed up lucky his mother can pay for his treatment that's way to expensive which now finally after 8 years is going to payed back mostly from now on.

My friends wouldn't have a descent standard of living if it weren't for the net. So why is it bad to do with a little less as to make sure people we care about can have a descent living standard?

 

[baldgye]

Incapacity, disability & injury benefits
Unemployment benefits
Housing benefits
Family benefits, income support & tax credits
Personal social services and other benefits
and confusingly, Pensions.

View attachment 738026

One thing to look forward too, by the time the next generation is pension age, they won't be getting one from the state!

 

[Johnnypenso]

These two statements are at odds with each other.

Not in the slightest.

No one said it had anything to do with random comments on GTP. It has more to do with being a citizen of the UK.

So only citizens opinions count here on GTP? Do all the other non-citizens commenting on this topic know this? Are you the official arbiter of opinions here or is it just my opinion you're trying to marginalize?

What are you talking about?
Since when are any decisions made in Parliament final and never to be argued for or against afterward?

I don't think opinions expressed here on GTP have had anything to do with that but I could be wrong.

 

[baldgye]

I don't think opinions expressed here on GTP have had anything to do with that but I could be wrong.

Are you ok?
I'm totally lost, you said that talk against the vote/Brexit was just crying into our beers, which I pointed out is wrong... and now you've started talking about GTP members chatting about it being meaningless?

 

[MatskiMonk]

I'm one that doesn't get the benefit and pays for it through taxes.
I don't have a single issue with it.

I do have a friend with ms who was very lucky she has these options and even then struggle to make ends meat from time to time.
And a friend who didn't get the benefit having epp and thus beeing ****ed up lucky his mother can pay for his treatment that's way to expensive which now finally after 8 years is going to payed back mostly from now on.

My friends wouldn't have a descent standard of living if it weren't for the net. So why is it bad to do with a little less as to make sure people we care about can have a descent living standard?

In principle I don't have a problem with it either. In practice, the system is inefficient and imbalanced.

One thing to look forward too, by the time the next generation is pension age, they won't be getting one from the state!

Most of the younger people who work for us say they opted out of their compulsory offer pension schemes... **** knows what the future holds! I have three personal pensions, but I'm quickly coming to the opinion that I'm not going to make it to retirement age!

 

[Touring Mars]

When is the next vote scheduled and how was this brought about by random comments on GTP?

Depressingly, the likelihood of a second Scottish independence referendum seems very high, though that is largely thanks to the Brexit vote.

Funnily enough, however, I would hazard a guess that the SNP (Scottish Nationalists, currently in power in Scotland) will press ahead with a second independence referendum even if there were to be a second EU referendum that reverses Brexit. So we could end up with a bizarre situation where both referendums are held twice, producing all four potential outcomes (NO and YES to Scottish independence, LEAVE and REMAIN in the EU) and where the potentially redundant first EU referendum result (Leave) was used as a pretext to overturn the first Scottish independence referendum result (No to Scottish independence), which could have the ridiculously self-defeating outcome of forcing Scotland out of the EU while the rest of the UK stays in - the exact opposite of why the SNP say we need a second independence referendum!

 

[UKMikey]

Not in the slightest.

Sure they are. In the first one you're saying that you're not calling losing voters' opinions irrelevant. In the second you're saying my opinion is irrelevant because we've already voted.

So only citizens opinions count here on GTP? Do all the other non-citizens commenting on this topic know this? Are you the official arbiter of opinions here or is it just my opinion you're trying to marginalize?

You perhaps need to read the link again where they discuss voters on both sides' reaction to the outcome of the vote and their misgivings towards the future. It was posted in response to your question. I've no idea what this has to do with being an official arbiter of opinions. All I've said is that if voters' opinions don't count, then non voters' opinions count even less with regard to Brexit.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Depressingly, the likelihood of a second Scottish independence referendum seems very high, though that is largely thanks to the Brexit vote.

Funnily enough, however, I would hazard a guess that the SNP (Scottish Nationalists, currently in power in Scotland) will press ahead with a second independence referendum even if there were to be a second EU referendum that reverses Brexit. So we could end up with a bizarre situation where both referendums are held twice, producing all four potential outcomes (NO and YES to Scottish independence, LEAVE and REMAIN in the EU) and where the potentially redundant first EU referendum result (Leave) was used as a pretext to overturn the first Scottish independence referendum result, which could have the ridiculously self-defeating outcome of forcing Scotland out of the EU (while the rest of the UK stays in), which was the very reason given by the SNP for a second independence referendum!

That's not even funny. It's too likely for that. There will be a general election first though. The government has to have a customs deal with the EU for NI to have a seamless border, the right wing won't tolerate that so they'll lose the Unionists.

 

[Touring Mars]

That's not even funny. It's too likely for that.

Mark my words - you heard it here first! I think if both referendums were re-run and both produce a new result, then surely the universal 'Best Of Three' law should apply...

For me, the best possible outcome for the UK now looks extremely remote - full single market access, membership of the customs union, no hard border in Ireland, no border (hard or otherwise) between England and Scotland, a common UK currency (the pound), non-adoption of the Euro and no Eurozone membership... it's ridiculous to think how hard all of this would be to agree to and implement if it didn't already exist!

 

[baldgye]

That's not even funny. It's too likely for that. There will be a general election first though.

God, how depressing the thought of a general election is, with the current leaders... a contest between someone who's incapable of being a politician and someone who's incapable of being a human...

Mark my words - you heard it here first! I think if both referendums were re-run and both produce a new result, then surely the universal 'Best Of Three' law should apply...

For me, the best possible outcome for the UK now looks extremely remote - full single market access, membership of the customs union, no hard border in Ireland, no border (hard or otherwise) between England and Scotland, a common UK currency (the pound), non-adoption of the Euro and no Eurozone membership... it's ridiculous to think how hard all of this would be to agree to and implement if it didn't already exist!

I made a bet with my mum (who voted to leave) that if we did leave, within the following 10 years not only would we be back within the EU, but we'd have been forced to adopt the Euro. As this whole shambolic appalling mess is forced out like-the morning after a heavy night out, it seems to be more and more like a pretty good bet...

 

[MatskiMonk]

I made a bet with my mum (who voted to leave) that if we did leave, within the following 10 years not only would we be back within the EU, but we'd have been forced to adopt the Euro.

The €uro? That's a bloody 0utrage!!1! Next thing, they'll take away our Pints and we'll be having to order our beers in Litres....

... wait ...

Viva das Europa!

 

[baldgye]

Jeremy Corbyn commits to abolishing House of Lords - The Independent https://apple.news/AXWJ4pdlxSvy1yhSMx9dIeQ



Is there now no logic and reason allowed in the commons now?!

 

[Tired Tyres]

Jeremy Corbyn commits to abolishing House of Lords - The Independent https://apple.news/AXWJ4pdlxSvy1yhSMx9dIeQ



Is there now no logic and reason allowed in the commons now?!

No. But has there been much of that this century?

The Lords does fulfill an important role. Because it is not elected it shouldn't bow to public opinion.

As long as the Commons always has the final say then nothing is wrong with it. As long as you fill it with worthy people and not a bunch of ancient duffers with a nice house and extensive gardens that is.

 

[Robin]

They filmed a statement with Yulia Skripal at an undisclosed location somewhere in the bushes Proper spy novel style.


They even released a copy of the statement written by her in Russian.

All sorts of conspiracy theories flying around from... this isn't her, to she is doing this against her will, to she was never poisoned in the first place.

 

[baldgye]

No. But has there been much of that this century?

The Lords does fulfill an important role. Because it is not elected it shouldn't bow to public opinion.

As long as the Commons always has the final say then nothing is wrong with it. As long as you fill it with worthy people and not a bunch of ancient duffers with a nice house and extensive gardens that is.

I don’t know... there has been stupidity and then there has been the current Labour Party... they could dominate the Tories who are basically the worst party in power that I know off... and they do what? That’s right implode, run by a man who’s clueless and who continues to only further highlight just how clueless he is...

Bring back David Millibean! (I’m not a labour supporter)

 

[SestoScudo]

https://talksport.com/football/watc...ee-being-attacked-following-game-north-london

When you put two Turkish teams this is the result of course. Im not surprised if the Americans have a bad relationship with guns. The Turks have a bad relationship with football. This is win the UK!!!

 

[Scaff]

So the ever charming Katie Hopkins has won her press complaint agains the Daily Mirror for saying she was arrested in South Africa for taking ketamine.

The retraction they published pretty much explains the rest (and my own deep joy at the whole thing).

"A previous version of this article suggested that Katie Hopkins was stopped from leaving South Africa because of the consumption of Ketamine. We are happy to clarify that Ms Hopkins was detained for spreading racial hatred, which took place after the Ketamine incident."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-detained-south-africa-11977548

 

[baldgye]

So the ever charming Katie Hopkins has won her press complaint agains the Daily Mirror for saying she was arrested in South Africa for taking ketamine.

The retraction they published pretty much explains the rest (and my own deep joy at the whole thing).

"A previous version of this article suggested that Katie Hopkins was stopped from leaving South Africa because of the consumption of Ketamine. We are happy to clarify that Ms Hopkins was detained for spreading racial hatred, which took place after the Ketamine incident."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-detained-south-africa-11977548

The stance ‘I might be a racist, but I’m no druggie’ is something I wouldn’t have put money on seeing as someone so public’s defence!

 

[UKMikey]

So the ever charming Katie Hopkins has won her press complaint agains the Daily Mirror for saying she was arrested in South Africa for taking ketamine.

The retraction they published pretty much explains the rest (and my own deep joy at the whole thing).

"A previous version of this article suggested that Katie Hopkins was stopped from leaving South Africa because of the consumption of Ketamine. We are happy to clarify that Ms Hopkins was detained for spreading racial hatred, which took place after the Ketamine incident."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-detained-south-africa-11977548

While I feel bad that Hopkins's epilepsy is serious enough to warrant her ingesting horse tranquilizer to combat the symptoms, but that was a hilarious update.

 

[Scaff]

While I feel bad that Hopkins's epilepsy is serious enough to warrant her ingesting horse tranquilizer to combat the symptoms, but that was a hilarious update.

The Ketamine was for a shoulder injury not the epilepsy, which I believe she had surgery to resolve a few years ago.

 

[baldgye]

While I feel bad that Hopkins's epilepsy is serious enough to warrant her ingesting horse tranquilizer to combat the symptoms, but that was a hilarious update.

To be fair, I'm not sure if it trumps this;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/katie-hopkins-house-exeter-st-leonards-a8171051.html

 

[Touring Mars]

While I feel bad that Hopkins's epilepsy is serious enough to warrant her ingesting horse tranquilizer to combat the symptoms, but that was a hilarious update.

The Ketamine was for a shoulder injury not the epilepsy, which I believe she had surgery to resolve a few years ago.

An injury she sustained after falling at the 5th at Aintree...

 

[UKMikey]

@Scaff for some reason the edit I thought I made to my post didn't go through. The horse dope was indeed for Katie's shoulder although the injury was a result of her epilepsy.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/katie-hopkins-agonising-health-battles-11971957

 

[Famine]

The Ketamine was for a shoulder injury not the epilepsy, which I believe she had surgery to resolve a few years ago.

Epilepsy was recorded as saying: "The surgery was a huge success and we can now live our lives free from this blight."