Britain - The Official Thread

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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%

  • Total voters
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Fun for who exactly?

Personally I fail to see how this is funny to anybody.
Perhaps to the entire viewership of FoneJacker? A show that frequently asks people for their bank details while pretending to be a bank? A show that won best comedy ask in 2008?


It's little different to what they tried to do, simple because their "Queeny" accent was that bad.

There's something more to this than just the nurses involvement. Be it the reaction from the press or a British-Indian cultural minefield.
 
I wouldn't be so sure. The call was made at 5am London time, which means that the nurse who took the call was either just coming onto her shift, or just coming off it. Or worse, doing a double- or even triple-shift (though that usually only happens in the hospitals that are in serious trouble). It's entirely conceivable that she was totally worn out and fell for the obviously-fake call simply because she was so tired.

And in this day and age, the call probably would have gone viral. In the time between the call itself and the nurse's death, it was put into heavy rotation down here. As a result, she was the subject of international embarrassment.


Nope. The two presenters had only been working together for three days prior to making the call. Like I said, they were square in the middle of a highly-competitive timeslot, and the usual heavyweights of that particular timeslot have either left or started winding down their shows, creating a vaccuum. They were clearly pushing to carve out a segment of the market.

So what? None of this changes tha fact that it was a prank call, done for laughs, and no one had any intention of harming anyone, nor could anyone reasonably have forseen suicide as a possible outcome. And I don't care if she worked 10 shifts in a row, you don't give out confidential patient information because you're tired.

I feel bad for everyone involved, the woman's family, and even the radio hosts, as I'm sure they will feel some guilt for the rest of their lives. But I'm not about to overreact to a harmless prank turning into something tragic. It's a great tragedy, move on.
 
And I don't care if she worked 10 shifts in a row, you don't give out confidential patient information because you're tired.
That sounds like blaming the victim to me.

I'm not saying that 2Day FM is wholly and singualrly responsible for the nurse's death. Only that they should have had the foresight to realise that, in this day and age of social media, they should have had the foresight to realise that there would be consequences to their actions. I'll bet that while they were sitting around, brainstorming ideas for what they could do live on air and congratulating themselves about how clever and funny they were when they came up with the idea, it never occurred to anyone that if they somehow got through, they would certainly cause great embarrassment to the person they called.
 
I do think the public is overreacting to the nurse's death. Realistically, I personally can't see anyone who would foresee somebody killing themself as the result of answering a prank call. The two DJs undoubtedly did not intend the call to shame the nurse to the point where she would kill herself.

I do have a feeling that 2Day FM's initial "apology" (before the nurse's suicide) had something to do with further embarassing (correct word?) the nurse. They said, "we were very surprised that our call was put through, we thought we'd be hung up on as soon as they heard our terrible accents", which basically implies that the nurse is a bit dim.
 
That sounds like blaming the victim to me.

The only reason people are considering this woman a victim is because she chose to kill her self because of her own actions. Had she chose not too she would be considered the offender for failing to do her job properly. Just because she may have been tired from working double shifts doesn't excuse any accountability for her mistakes, what if she gave a patiant an incorect amount of of medicine due to her tiredness risking their life? She is just as much of an offender here as what the public majority consider 2day FM to be.

I'm not saying that 2Day FM is wholly and singualrly responsible for the nurse's death. Only that they should have had the foresight to realise that, in this day and age of social media, they should have had the foresight to realise that there would be consequences to their actions.

I'm sure they did have some foresight as to what the consequences to their actions would be, and the consequence would be a "click" on the other end of the line as the hospital hung up. In this day and age you would have to be very gullible to belive that was actually the Queen on the phone regardless of the situation, or how tired she might have been. Also the hospital most likely has some kind of procedure set up to deal with phone calls from the Royal Family, and I doubt the Queen her self would ever be first person they speak to when they do call which should have set off some alarm bells in the nurses head, even if she was initially fooled due to her tiredness it would only take a second or two before the brain kicks back in and tells you something fishy was going on, and if she was that brain dead tired from working that she didn't realise it was a prank then she wasn't safe to be working, if she made that mistake due to tiredness she could have made any number of other mistakes.

I'll bet that while they were sitting around, brainstorming ideas for what they could do live on air and congratulating themselves about how clever and funny they were when they came up with the idea, it never occurred to anyone that if they somehow got through, they would certainly cause great embarrassment to the person they called.

I'm 100% positive it occurred to them they would cause embarressment if they got through, seeing as the purpose of a prank is to embarress someone, if you didn't then the prank failed. I'm also 100% positive the belived the hospital would hang up immediately as they should have.
 
I'm 100% positive it occurred to them they would cause embarressment if they got through, seeing as the purpose of a prank is to embarress someone, if you didn't then the prank failed. I'm also 100% positive the belived the hospital would hang up immediately as they should have.
This. They probably thought they'd get a recording of their terrible accent, a slightly confused nurse and the dialling-tone.

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That sounds like blaming the victim to me.

I'm not saying that 2Day FM is wholly and singualrly responsible for the nurse's death. Only that they should have had the foresight to realise that, in this day and age of social media, they should have had the foresight to realise that there would be consequences to their actions. I'll bet that while they were sitting around, brainstorming ideas for what they could do live on air and congratulating themselves about how clever and funny they were when they came up with the idea, it never occurred to anyone that if they somehow got through, they would certainly cause great embarrassment to the person they called.

Baloney. That's such a liberal, 20/20 hindsight view of the world. It's so easy to look back and see things crystal clear after you know all the facts and the outcome. And accusing someone who has a different view of things of blaming the victim is such a cheap, easy copout to avoid discussing the facts of the case.

These types of radio pranks go on every day in the hundreds here in North America, and I'm sure in other parts of the world. I'm not aware of anyone else committing suicide because of 1. To blame the radio hosts is akin to blaming me for washing my car in my own driveway, and someone riding by on their bicycle and spinning out, bumping their head and dying. So we should ban all car washing? Or make everyone put up a sign that say, "Carwash in progress, be careful". It probably makes about as much sense as blaming the radio hosts for this.

Saying she should not have given out the information to begin with isn't blaming her either. It's a fact. It's her professional duty to safeguard her patients confidental information, period. Even given that failure, there's no way any reasonable person could have forseen the outcome.

It's a tragedy on all sides. Let's not compound it by overreacting and trying to find someone to blame. Stuff happens sometimes despite the best of intentions, and the lack of any ill will.
 
New same-sex marriage law!

No religious organisation or individual minister being compelled to marry same-sex couples or to permit this to happen on their premises

Yes, entirely sensible! Well done!

Making it unlawful for religious organisations or their ministers to marry same-sex couples unless their organisation's governing body has expressly opted in to provisions for doing so

Not really necessary in law, but you can see where they're coming from (it protects folk drawn into legal battles where a minister says he married them while the organisation and state refuse to recognise it).

Amending the 2010 Equality Act to ensure no discrimination claim can be brought against religious organisations or individual ministers for refusing to marry a same-sex couple

Yes, entirely sensible! Well done!

The legislation explicitly stating that it will be illegal for the Church of England and the Church in Wales to marry same-sex couples and that Canon Law, which bans same-sex weddings, will continue to apply

What?

They make conducting same-sex marriages an opt-in process for any private organisation certified to conduct marriages... but BAN the Church of England or Church in Wales from opting in?

I know they don't want to opt in, but surely the point of opting in is that it's a choice? Banning someone from opting in is... pants on head.
 
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New same-sex marriage law!

Erm. Jumping the gun a little bit? It's not a law yet!

I'd agree about the daft bit about Church of England and the Church in Wales though.

What is the point of building in inequality in a bill that proposes equality? :dunce:
 
Yes, it's a draft proposal at this point - planned for 2015 I think?
 
  • Internet service providers having to store for a year all details of online communication in the UK - such as the time, duration, originator and recipient of a communication and the location of the device from which it was made.
  • They would also be having to store for the first time all Britons' web browsing history and details of messages sent on social media, webmail, voice calls over the internet and gaming, in addition to emails and phone calls
  • Police not having to seek permission to access details of these communications, if investigating a crime
  • Police having to get a warrant from the home secretary to be able to see the actual content of any messages
  • Four bodies having access to data: the police, the Serious and Organised Crime Agency, the intelligence agencies and HM Revenue and Customs

Almost as bad as Australia.

Let's hope no CofE/CinW ministers use Facebook to support homosexual marriage... [/Roughest segue of ever]
 
I'd rather keep my privacy even if it means a few extra frauds are harder to track.

This.

The stupid thing is, there are plenty of people whose job it is to deal with online crime anyway. The police don't sieve through the trash (then keep it for a year) of someone in Edinburgh to find a fugitive hiding in London, so the online equivalent isn't required either.
 
Unfortunately, I see this as a slam dunk, since it was first proposed by the previous Labour government and now it's the Conservatives who are pushing for it.

That means support on both sides of the house, with not enough Liberals or back benchers to make a difference.
 
That means support on both sides of the house

But of course.

The way to stay in power is to pander to the largest group of people at once (which is the middle class, generally speaking). In most developed countries that's group has the mindset of:
  • Richer people have too much money and owe it to society
  • Poorer people are stupid and need protecting from themselves
  • I'm not rich so I shouldn't be taxed
  • I'm not stupid so I shouldn't be legislated against
  • Anything I don't own/use that can be used to break the law should be banned.

In this instance it's the second and fifth items on the list - poor people and those who might break the law should be monitored at all times on the internet in case they use it to steal stuff or abuse kids or something. You'll only have to look through the Daily Mail's letters page tomorrow morning to see comments like "If you have nothing to fear you have nothing to hide" supporting this goosecrap.


All of our main political parties align themselves to this slightly right, slightly authoritarian mindset because that's how you get power and stay there - there's really very little to pick between them (Conservatives are slightly more right, Labour are slightly more authoritarian, Libdem are slightly less of both) - so it's no shock at all that 90% of the Commons will support it.
 
Ofcom assessment of copyright infringement tracker.

Basically it says that approximity 16% of UK internet users download copyright files illegally.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/ma...=email&utm_campaign=online-copyright-research

Interesting bit. 62% of them are in the ABC1 demographic, which is upper class, middle class and lower middle class.

In other words. The ones who vote! Funny how those same "If you have nothing to fear you have nothing to hide" people are the ones who do have something to hide.

This is for the Digital Britain Act.
 
Yep. That's the beautiful irony of it.

It's like Mary Whitehouse - remember her? She watched disgusting, depraved, violent, obscene and degenerate television programs so she could rate them and protect the rest of us from being affected by them. It didn't affect her, of course, because she was clever - while the rest of us would turn into expletive-hurling mass murderers.

Or drivers who think anyone going slower than them is a menace and anyone going faster than them is a maniac. They're the funniest when they get speeding tickets.


It's the hypocrisy of that mindset. They want government to stay out of their lives but they want it in other people's.
 
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I really think at some point we will all look back on the golden years of free internet. People will tell us it couldn't stay that way because crime was rampant and people got away with murder (online of course). But I'll remember it the way it is, beautiful and free.
 
I really think at some point we will all look back on the golden years of free internet. People will tell us it couldn't stay that way because crime was rampant and people got away with murder (online of course). But I'll remember it the way it is, beautiful and free.

I think you're right. The problem is that the people who use the internet and know it inside and out are generally people like us on this forum, relatively young (and a lot are under 18 and have no voting representation). The majority of the population see a bill that limits online piracy and don't understand all the other implications and issues with a bill like SOPA. It's a damn shame though, the free internet has done so much good for the world, and it'll all be pissed away for some record company profits because people think the government needs to regulate everything.

I think they'll inevitably pass a SOPA style bill that piggy backs on child porn. People still channel their hatred of the 1% at record companies and will sometimes champion freedom over record companies, but when it's pushed through congress under the guise of stopping child porn that'll be the end of it. The Bill O'Reilly's of the world won't understand how anyone could be against a bill aimed at stopping child porn.
 
Since there's many topics being discussed - Same Sex ....

New Zealand is going down the same track, and for a long time I was for it. Now I'm not.

Now I'm about as far away from being religious as one can be, but I do like to try see both sides of the argument.

Simplified, to me the issue is

Fors - Equality to the term Marriage
Against - They don't met the definition of marriage

Now, to the best of my knowledge, and without researching history of religion (absolutely no interest in it), or the English language (a timeline when words became about).

There was no word 'marriage'. This was a word created by Religion to describe two of their followers co-joining in the name of their said religion/deity. It was defined and recognised this was a MAN & a WOMAN.

To me this is the issue, it's a religious term, that essentially was created by religion, therefore do have 'ownership' over it (for a lack of a better word).

Even if you are not religious you still marry as it meets the definition it was intended.

Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, Same Sex will never be marriage.

So to me it simply becomes about equality, whatever Same Sex 'Civil Unions' (as it's currently called in NZL) ends up being called, it needs to have the equivalent rights of the traditional religious marriage.

I have no bones about that, but it's not 'marriage'.
 
Marriage existed before any of the current religions existed.

None of them can lay claim to it as their own invention.

It does not belong to them.

It belongs to the people who chose to declare before others that they commit to each other.
 
I'm pretty sure the online privacy thing will be a lot like CCTV, there's a lot of surveillence going on, but nobody is actually watching - or at least, not until they have reason too.
 
It belongs to the people
That's the start, middle and end of marriage.

Call it what you like, but it's a contract between two consenting parties. No government involvement, no religious involvement required.

All that is required is a law to protect the most vulnerable (those too young to consent) and a consensus on the validity of such contracts.
 
That's the start, middle and end of marriage.

Call it what you like, but it's a contract between two consenting parties. No government involvement, no religious involvement required.

All that is required is a law to protect the most vulnerable (those too young to consent) and a consensus on the validity of such contracts.

A contract between two people is valueless unless it is supported by the law though. The fact is that marriage has legal implications, and therefore must be governed.
 
I think they'll inevitably pass a SOPA style bill that piggy backs on child porn. People still channel their hatred of the 1% at record companies and will sometimes champion freedom over record companies, but when it's pushed through congress under the guise of stopping child porn that'll be the end of it. The Bill O'Reilly's of the world won't understand how anyone could be against a bill aimed at stopping child porn.

That's how I see it to. Eventually they'll direct it at that and nobody will want to speak out against for fear of looking like they're supporting child porn. Or in the UK, they'll just do it for the sake of regulation apparently.

There was no word 'marriage'. This was a word created by Religion to describe two of their followers co-joining in the name of their said religion/deity. It was defined and recognised this was a MAN & a WOMAN.

To me this is the issue, it's a religious term, that essentially was created by religion, therefore do have 'ownership' over it (for a lack of a better word).

"Marriage" is about joining things. Like, for example, you could talk about the "marriage" of horse and buggy, or the "marriage" of slow motion and instant replay. It also talks about a long term bond. For instance just the other day I used the phrase "I'm not married to the idea" - meaning I am not permanently inseparable from this idea.

The problem, as with all things religious, is that marriage is also a religious term with religious implications. And religious people hate it when you try to use the secular definition of a religious term. For example, try telling a religious (Christian) person that Christmas is about Santa Clause. They'll have none of it. Even though the origins of the term Christmas are religious, it has developed a secular meaning, much like the term "marriage" originated secularly and developed a religious meaning.

I have begun referring to Christmas as Santamas to avoid confusion between religious and secular definitions. In the case of marriage, I would suggest that religious people do the same - develop a religious term to avoid confusion with secular definitions of marriage. They could call it a Christunion, for example.

Another problem with the whole gay marriage thing is the legal definition of marriage. I see no reason why the state should recognize the legal contract that is marriage only when declared under religious institutions. And indeed in the US the state does not require religious recognition. It is, of course, a violation of the constitution guarantee of equal protection (again in the US) to allow contracts only to arbitrarily defined groups like "man and woman". This legal requirement was born out of the religious institution of marriage and has no place in a government that observes human rights like equal protection.
 
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