Britain - The Official Thread

[dhandeh]

Well the Daily Mail is going to have a problem tommorow, what to put on the front page?? Qatada or Murray??

You forgot Princess Di.

 

[DK]

You forgot Princess Di.

I thought that was the Waily Express?

 

[Keef]

So I'm in a human geography class and I think I'm watching a sensationalist/fear-oriented video about how Islamic cultures will dominate Europe within a few decades. It puts a spin on it with eerie middle eastern music, making it sound like they're out to kill us all. It even included a quote by our boy Moamar saying that they don't need terrorists anymore because they're expanding so quickly. Supposedly Latinos and Muslims will end up the majorities in the US not long after Muslims in Europe.

What are y'all's views on this?

 

[Liquid]

Intergration is part and parcel of a globalised society.

How arduous and drawn an affair it is, is down to education and tolerance. Critically, education and tolerance on all sides. In my opinion.

 

[axletramp]

It's true. Ghettoised societies ultimately fail and only fester bigotry. Britain (as this is her thread) has historically been very successful at integrating all nationalities and faiths (to the point of making her stronger) and I can't help but think acceptance will be easier here than most nations/regions around the world.

 

[Liquid]

We have our own problems of course, but every person from another European country whom I've spoken to on the issue unilaterally declare that Britain is the best country they know that deals with immigrants; that's Franks, Spaniards, Germans, Hungarians, Russians, Poles, Belgians, Dutch and Italians who have said that to me.

Hell, Britain itself was about six or seven different cultures which blended together over time.

 

[tanveerahmed2k8]

EDL with their Zionist funding do everything they can to harass minorities.

 

[Liquid]

EDL with their Zionist funding do everything they can to harass minorities.

*embarrass the entire Commonwealth.

 

[axletramp]

Forgive my ignorance. Who are the Zionists?

 

[Danny]

Jewish Israeli nationalists. Which is why I'm not entirely following.

 

[axletramp]

OK. Perhaps they should fund some of them to complete their educations...

 

[Lizard]

Forgive my ignorance. Who are the Zionists?

The people who claim that Israel should be a Jewish state because it is the promised land. God is said to have promised the Jewish people that land so they say they have a natural right to it.

Unless I am completely mistaken from my quick skim read of Wikipedia.

 

[axletramp]

Thanks. I'm being so lazy tonight.

 

[Famine]

Jewish Israeli nationalists. Which is why I'm not entirely following.

It's usually something to do with the Jews hating Islam. Just be thankful it's not the Illuminati this time.

For reference, the EDL would think a Jew is "a bit darkie-looking" and try to kick the 🤬 out of them. The EDL are so stupid they organise marches in Cardiff (that's the English Defence League) and a chapter amongst Ex-Pats in Spain. SPAIN.

 

[ASH32]

So I'm in a human geography class and I think I'm watching a sensationalist/fear-oriented video about how Islamic cultures will dominate Europe within a few decades. It puts a spin on it with eerie middle eastern music, making it sound like they're out to kill us all. It even included a quote by our boy Moamar saying that they don't need terrorists anymore because they're expanding so quickly. Supposedly Latinos and Muslims will end up the majorities in the US not long after Muslims in Europe.

What are y'all's views on this?

They probably are in the majority where I live and most of the Muslim families have a lot more kids than everyone else so they definitely will be in the majority soon if they are not already. More and more are starting to send their kids to Islamic schools too so don't expect any of the children to not stay as Muslims when they grow up.

 

[Keef]

I wanted to hear it from you guys because here in America people don't like Muslims. The guy in the video sounded American.

EDIT:



The description: "Islam will overwhelm Christendom unless Christians recognize the demographic realities, begin reproducing again, and share the gospel with Muslims."

I actually feel kind of weird that I was shown this in class. The teacher in his 70s but has seen a lot of the world. He also told us a story about how living in Stockholm is about as orwellian an experience as he's ever had.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

What is the issue with Muslims being a majority? Can anyone explain it to me?

 

[Liquid]

People here are Islamaphobic too. Not everybody, but a fair fistful.

Sorry Keef, but the only responses from Brit GTPers you'll actually want to read are those which display tolerance, tact and grace with just a hint of that pine scent fresh European socialism.

But if you want the other side of the coin, look up British National Party, English Defence League, National Front and Rivers Of Blood speech.

 

[Famine]

What is the issue with Muslims being a majority? Can anyone explain it to me?

I don't care what sky pixie a plurality or majority of people support. As long as they're not :censored:s.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

I don't care what sky pixie a plurality or majority of people support. As long as they're not :censored:s.

Nailed it!

Oh, and melting pot, please!

 

[e30 freek]

I've just realised why the papers won't publish the pictures.

Prince Harry's knob looks like the prophet Muhammed.

It's the only logical explanation.

Whos being insulted?

Actually forget i even bought that up i cant be arsed right now

 

[Spurgy 777]

I don't care what sky pixie a plurality or majority of people support. As long as they're not :censored:s.

Well you're always going to get them, but the less things for them to be :censored:s about the better tbh sky pixie beliefs will probably die out in a few generations anyway.

 

[Johnnypenso]

What is the issue with Muslims being a majority? Can anyone explain it to me?

In order to answer that I'll have to do a little research in the history of democracy in Islamic countries, their record on the treatment of women and minorities, homosexuality, tolerance of other religions, free speech,...etc.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So I'm in a human geography class and I think I'm watching a sensationalist/fear-oriented video about how Islamic cultures will dominate Europe within a few decades. It puts a spin on it with eerie middle eastern music, making it sound like they're out to kill us all. It even included a quote by our boy Moamar saying that they don't need terrorists anymore because they're expanding so quickly. Supposedly Latinos and Muslims will end up the majorities in the US not long after Muslims in Europe.

What are y'all's views on this?

Clearly they are

The people who claim that Israel should be a Jewish state because it is the promised land. God is said to have promised the Jewish people that land so they say they have a natural right to it.

Unless I am completely mistaken from my quick skim read of Wikipedia.

Due to the same laziness I caught from Alex, I would expand on this since I took a few history of religion classes...I will just mail you my books.

 

[ExigeEvan]

What is the issue with Muslims being a majority? Can anyone explain it to me?

They could elect a government with a fundamental Muslim scope?

I guess that's the extreme of the paranoia, and I agree that I really wouldn't want to live in a country with the laws of Saudi Arabia.

However, in reality it's just a threat to oppose any growth of the Muslim population.

 

[Liquid]

They could elect a government with a fundamental Muslim scope?

They could, but I can't forsee a time where it becomes mainstream politics for hate preachers to not only stand for office, but for said preachers to actually be elected and have a majority above the crooked white system we have now.

Excluding Sìnn Fein in NI.

As for johnnypenso's point, while he is correct that many Middle East nations have poor human rights records, Britain has a history of a good society.

It would take a nightmareish miracle to reverse all of the equality laws we have already.

 

[Famine]

Whos being insulted?

The cowardly and hypocritical press.

Well you're always going to get them, but the less things for them to be :censored:s about the better tbh sky pixie beliefs will probably die out in a few generations anyway.

I'd rather people were free to believe, practice and worship what, who and how they wish than the alternative.

In order to answer that I'll have to do a little research in the history of democracy in Islamic countries, their record on the treatment of women and minorities, homosexuality, tolerance of other religions, free speech,...etc.

Christianity - the foundation of the West - wasn't doing so well on any of those counts even as recently as the 18th Century. But you only have to go back to the 16th to see how Western nations with nonelected Christian heads of state measure up.

They could elect a government with a fundamental Muslim scope?

In the USA that's practically a meaningless consequence - after all they repeatedly elect Presidents and senators with fundamental Christian beliefs (or lip service to them at least). They have a Constitution to protect their freedoms - though there are mechanisms that, given enough time, can allow laws that breach that Constitution.

I'll grant you it's more of a consequence in the UK where we don't have similar guarantees of freedoms.

 

[Johnnypenso]

They could elect a government with a fundamental Muslim scope?

I guess that's the extreme of the paranoia, and I agree that I really wouldn't want to live in a country with the laws of Saudi Arabia.

However, in reality it's just a threat to oppose any growth of the Muslim population.

To call it paranoia implies some kind of delusion or a fear based on a lack of evidence. There's plenty of evidence to suggest a woman, a Christian, a Jew, a homosexual, a female child, an adulterer, someone who likes beer, someone who wants to read a free press...etc. etc. etc., should fear a government framed around Islam, Sharia Law etc.

As for johnnypenso's point, while he is correct that many Middle East nations have poor human rights records, Britain has a history of a good society.

It would take a nightmareish miracle to reverse all of the equality laws we have already.

All it takes is majority support. Morsi got elected as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and then declared himself dictator, similar to what Hitler did in 1933. Had he had the support of the military he would have gotten away with it too. The fact that he didn't succeed doesn't negate the fact that a legally elected Muslim tried to declare himself a dictator and above the law less than a year after a democratic election. He overplayed his hand and forgot to share the spoils with the Army. The next guy to try this won't make the same mistake.

 

[ExigeEvan]

To call it paranoia implies some kind of delusion or a fear based on a lack of evidence. There's plenty of evidence to suggest a woman, a Christian, a Jew, a homosexual, a female child, an adulterer, someone who likes beer, someone who wants to read a free press...etc. etc. etc., should fear a government framed around Islam, Sharia Law etc.

I'm well aware of how life is in Saudi Arabia, more so than having just read about it.

But where's the evidence that the Muslim population will grow into the majority in the UK? BNP supporters armed with limited stats, a pen and a 30cm ruler?

 

[Keef]

But where's the evidence that the Muslim population will grow into the majority in the UK? BNP supporters armed with limited stats, a pen and a 30cm ruler?

The fact that the immigration rate of Muslims into the UK is multiple times higher than the non-Muslim birth rate within the UK, which itself is too low to reverse the depopulation trend. Beyond that, the Muslims already in the UK have a much higher birth rate than non-Muslims. The stats were in that video I posted. Apparently this is the new trend throughout Europe and the US.