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I'm pretty sure, for most, its the people that are "hated" not the car.
Bugatti Veyron 16.4 (2013 or 2009)?
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If the car had the correct mighty sound and physics of Veyron, at least 3/4 of haters are lovers now.
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It's the '09 model. Quite apart from the fact that there's apparently been no base-model (lol) Veyrons made since 2011, this car is missing a few details that were added onto later models. I'm not sure if the LED headlights from the Grand Sport were made standard on other Veyrons or were optional extras (my guess is they did become standard), but I know that later models also had new wing mirrors (lifted from the current Audi TT, I think).
This is what standard Veyrons would've looked like during its last production year:
The hypothesis that this is an improved standard doesn't hold water, either. This model has got separate body panels (as opposed to a simple body model with textures), a full interior and so much more detail visible, especially around the headlights and front air intakes that to incorporate these things they might as well start from scratch. This model has also got the full length Euro-spec number plate holder at the rear as opposed to the shorter US-spec one featured in GT5, so it's definitely not the same model.
For the record, I don't think anything has actually been done to the standard models in GT6. I think they've either been redone as premium models or they've been left alone, and I prefer it this way -- I'd rather they spend their efforts making more premiums than trying to fix more than 700 3D models that were outdated anyway.
To me, there are only two reasons for the two Veyrons on the list. One, that they've made a premium '09 model and removed the standard model (as I suspect they will be doing to the Toyota 2000GT, the Sauber C9 and the two Countachs, among others), leaving the '13 model as a Super Sport or Grand Sport Vitesse model (unlikely, as they would've labeled the '13 model as such). Or, more likely, that they goofed up the model year of the premium model and kept the standard model. As a shame as that would be, it's not unprecedented -- the premium M5 (there's a standard one too, remember) in GT5 was listed as an '08 model, but the real M5 was facelifted in 2007 to include new head- and taillights, which the one in GT5 doesn't have.
This is what standard Veyrons would've looked like during its last production year:
The hypothesis that this is an improved standard doesn't hold water, either. This model has got separate body panels (as opposed to a simple body model with textures), a full interior and so much more detail visible, especially around the headlights and front air intakes that to incorporate these things they might as well start from scratch. This model has also got the full length Euro-spec number plate holder at the rear as opposed to the shorter US-spec one featured in GT5, so it's definitely not the same model.
For the record, I don't think anything has actually been done to the standard models in GT6. I think they've either been redone as premium models or they've been left alone, and I prefer it this way -- I'd rather they spend their efforts making more premiums than trying to fix more than 700 3D models that were outdated anyway.
To me, there are only two reasons for the two Veyrons on the list. One, that they've made a premium '09 model and removed the standard model (as I suspect they will be doing to the Toyota 2000GT, the Sauber C9 and the two Countachs, among others), leaving the '13 model as a Super Sport or Grand Sport Vitesse model (unlikely, as they would've labeled the '13 model as such). Or, more likely, that they goofed up the model year of the premium model and kept the standard model. As a shame as that would be, it's not unprecedented -- the premium M5 (there's a standard one too, remember) in GT5 was listed as an '08 model, but the real M5 was facelifted in 2007 to include new head- and taillights, which the one in GT5 doesn't have.
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I think PD is playing with us 
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No the Grand Sport has a removable top, it is a semi roadster. In other games you have the option (With the Grand Sport) to drive it with and without the top.
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So you can remove/put back the top at any time? WOW AWESOME!!!!! Err.....
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It is not an automatic top, to remove it you need to have the help of someone and if it starts raining you have an emergency top. It is not so cool but still great.
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6 months of man hours.
If you have a team of 50 people working 8 hours per day on 1 car for 5 days a week, that's 2000 hours per week.
That would be roughly 16 days on one car.
Note that the scenario I posted is a huge if, but the fact that people say "six months" without adding "man hours" on the end, as was originally said, changes the meaning entirely.
Though something similar to this is more likely the case, because if it took 6 months to make each standard car (if they worked serially), a Gran Turismo game would release every century.
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Where's this "man hours" quote that everyone keeps referring to? All I've read is that it takes 6 months, that's it. No explanation as to how man hours applies to it or how long it takes a group of them to make 1 car. Has this been actually revealed or are we just assuming it's 6 months of man hours because it makes more sense?
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"6 months to make a car" is a common statement to several developers
Dan Greenawalt (Turn 10)
Jamie Brayshaw (Evolution Studios)
Dan Greenawalt (Turn 10)
http://www.oxm.co.uk/65965/were-not...ople-misunderstand-the-way-these-things-work/
Jamie Brayshaw (Evolution Studios)
http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comm...Lifting-the-bonnet-on-the-PS4s-flagship-racer
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Doesn't mean it's actually true, though.
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"6 months to make a car" is a common statement to several developers
Dan Greenawalt (Turn 10)
http://www.oxm.co.uk/65965/were-not...ople-misunderstand-the-way-these-things-work/
Jamie Brayshaw (Evolution Studios)
http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comm...Lifting-the-bonnet-on-the-PS4s-flagship-racer
If your reply was to me, I'm aware of cars taking 6 months by PD. Lately people around here have been saying it's not 6 months of time, but rather 6 months of man hours, meaning a car could be completed in around a week with the whole modelling team working on it.
PD's quotes and also both these quotes you've listed just reinforce the idea that this "man hours" thing is a made up misconception and that it actually takes 6 months of time from start to completion, end of question. I'd still like to be proven wrong here -- I'm not saying I'm 100% right, but please someone provide a source to this "man hours" thing.
Notice how here both these guys have clearly stated it takes 6/7 months to make a car -- a passage of time, not an amount of man hours -- and that it's a very long process. There's just no way PD is making a car per week with the whole modelling team working together on it.
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To be honest, it doesnt really matter if its 6 months or 6months in man hours because if you take a large portion of the modeling crew to focus on one car at a time, you output will still be the same in the long run. For instance, 6 people working on one car takes a month, and in 6 months you have 6 cars.....or 1 person each works on one car and takes 6 months, but the output at the end of the day of the day is still 6 cars in 6 months.
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I'm not sure if anyone of us are right here at all..? Remember when the BRZ-FRS-FT-86 was leaked? I don't have the time now to look for the article but I'm sure someone can do the math as to build time to release date on download..
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Impossible as we don't know when PD actually got a hold of it. Concepts can be, and usually are in work years before the reveal...as well as numerous variations of that same concept.
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If that's the new standered
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If that's the new standered
Yeah it's not.
It wouldn't be the first time a car name wasn't 100% correct.
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