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[Casio]

While it is possible run under the recommended GPU power limits. The recommendations are there for a reason. By the time you had HDDs, Optical Drives and other perpeherials you will be running the PSU at close to 90%-100% load all the time. Given the price of PSUs you would be crazy to recommend a 350W PSU for someone interested in gaming, when you could get a 650W for only $30 more.

 

[tlowr4]

^^ This

However, $30 more is a huge stretch. He's 17, gets no allowance etc. There's only 1 HDD and one optical drive (which never gets used), but I understand what you mean. The 460 that I linked would be more suited, and is only $2 more.

 

[bergauk]

Its amazing how someone else steps in, says exactly what I say, and they get listened to. I seriously hate you people.

 

[tlowr4]

Its amazing how someone else steps in, says exactly what I say, and they get listened to. I seriously hate you people.

At least the other someone didn't swear and insult. And if I'm honest, I'm not particularly fond of you. But I don't like to make a scene, unlike some. 👍

 

[Casio]

^^ This

However, $30 more is a huge stretch. He's 17, gets no allowance etc. There's only 1 HDD and one optical drive (which never gets used), but I understand what you mean. The 460 that I linked would be more suited, and is only $2 more.

Also remember that PSUs are generally most effiecent around the ~50%-~70% load mark, and get less and less efficient the more load they're under (Particularly at this price point). So it's cheaper to run a 600W PSU at 300W Load than a 400W PSU. A good thing to say to parents is if you give me extra cash for a better PSU then the power bill will go down.

 

[bergauk]

At least the other someone didn't swear and insult. And if I'm honest, I'm not particularly fond of you. But I don't like to make a scene, unlike some. 👍

I didn't swear or insult at first. But it seems like whenever I'd like to make a point. Neither you, nor Nick would like to listen to it. No matter how valid it is. I've built, and designed systems professionally at my last job. I know for a fact that you don't skimp on parts like the power supply. Especially not for a machine intended for gaming use, and overclocking. That's just flat out stupid. What's going to happen when that computer is running full out, with the graphics card and processor being forced to work under full load in a game like BF3? Something is likely to fail. It doesn't matter which part either, it's just bound to happen.

 

[Azuremen]

At least the other someone didn't swear and insult. And if I'm honest, I'm not particularly fond of you. But I don't like to make a scene, unlike some. 👍

You might want to consider why people get mad at you and company. And posts like above are basically flame baiting and equally, if not more so, childish.

 

[tlowr4]

^^ True, true. However, I sense you would have said much a similar thing in my situation. Judging by what I've seen you say in other threads.

 

[bergauk]

^^ True, true. However, I sense you would have said much a similar thing in my situation. Judging by what I've seen you say in other threads.

Sadly.. Cody is nothing like you whatsoever.

 

[tlowr4]

^^ Yup. Complete opposite. 👍

 

[Casio]

Cody is the worst.

Worse than a 350W PSU in a gaming PC.

 

[tlowr4]

Cody is the worst.

Worse than a 350W PSU in a gaming PC.

Can we actually say that? I thought we'd get in trouble...

But yeah, true.

Isn't he more like a Pentium III in a rig with a GTX590 though?

EDIT: That was a total fail...wasn't it...

 

[bergauk]

Can we actually say that? I thought we'd get in trouble...

But yeah, true.

Isn't he more like a Pentium III in a rig with a GTX590 though?

EDIT: That was a total fail...wasn't it...

No, I think only you would be daft enough to try that. Luckily there aren't any P3 boards with PCI-e slots that I know of. Most you could get away with is some crazy old AGP card.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

I'd say Cody's more like the new AMD FX CPUs. And yes, he would have come up with an insult in the situation that tlowr is in. I have a wierd feeling that insult would somehow incorporate the word "kid" in it.

Anyways, lets return to the topic. I actually am taking Bergauk's side here (Hard to believe, I know..... he's actually a good guy). C'mon Nick... a 350W PSU.. for a 6770? That's what OEM PCs usually come with... I would go for 450W Minimum. I've got 520W in my computer for my 6770. Never go cheap on the PSU.

As for the whole situation, just tell him that he should give up, work hard, and get a job. Maybe then he would be able to afford a better PC.

As for the AGP card thing.... doesn't HIS sell a 4670 on Newegg that's AGP?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161337

 

[Azuremen]

Thinking that I'd be so wrong like you guys were about the PSU and then trying to play the AUP game is a clear sign of how you guys really don't get it.

And of course I would have said kid. I refer to people by what they are generally.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Look. How about I get this. 315W on the 12V rails. Same power as the Antec, and it's got 460W in the title so it should keep everyone happy, eh?

Just because it has 460W in the title doesn't mean that it actually can.

My recommendation is the Antec VP450. Some Russian site thought it was good value for money. Hardwaresecrets gave the non "p" version a favorable review.

Also remember that PSUs are generally most effiecent around the ~50%-~70% load mark, and get less and less efficient the more load they're under (Particularly at this price point). So it's cheaper to run a 600W PSU at 300W Load than a 400W PSU. A good thing to say to parents is if you give me extra cash for a better PSU then the power bill will go down.

I doubt that setup would be pulling 300W regularly, probably more in the 100s to low 200s. It's rare that the both the CPU and GPU are running at about full load. I wouldn't do it either, but the 6770 can most likely work okay with this power supply. Xbitlabs ran an E8600 with an HD4850 and loaded them with Furmark + Prime. The max usage was 189W.

 

[tlowr4]

...
And of course I would have said kid. I refer to people by what they are generally.

Yeah. Strange as it may seem though, people don't like being called baby goats, or were you un-aware of the true definition of the word 'kid'. Learn something new every day, as they say.

'Child' or 'youngling' are more acceptable.

EDIT: If you refer to people by what they generally are, I'm curious to know what you call yourself.

Just because it has 460W in the title doesn't mean that it actually can.

My recommendation is the Antec VP450. Some Russian site thought it was good value for money. Hardwaresecrets gave the non "p" version a favorable review.

Alrighty, I'll talk it over with him. Cheers. And yes, I know that it might not be able to pull the full 450W, I just was using it to keep everyone happy.

 

[nick09]

Yes I understand what you don't like about a 350w PSU. I'm fine with Tlowr's decision to get the 460w PSU. My main concern was only the 12V in the PSU since today's computers are highly dependent of the 12V(which is where the CPU and GPU get the power from). The GPU and CPU combined is 215watts at stock. You could add 20-30watts for a single HDD and a single DVD Burner drive. Which would be 245watts in the worst situation with the drives(still stock cpu and gpu). While the PSU that tlowr posted outputs 316watts at max on the 12V. That's a ~69% use of the total 460watts while the Antec can use 96% of the 350W total for the 12V, which is 336watts. So therefore the Antec is better suited than the 460w PSU. I don't mind if Tlowr gets the 460w PSU since it meets the need for the power that would be used by this computer.

I agree with ROAD_DOGG33J, The Antec VP-450P is better suited than the PSU tlowr posted. That produces 432watts on the 12V and thus it's much more efficient for power delivery since it can actually get near the total power, which is 450watts. You may bring up, "Why did you not bring up this before and suggested the 450w version instead?", that's because I only had a quick look at the website and thus I never saw it.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Because 350 watts isn't enough. What part of it don't you get? What if his power consumption goes higher from OCing? And I doubt that the PSU will put out exactly 350 Watts..

 

[nick09]

It's the reason why I said stock clock on both CPU and GPU for that 350w PSU. But now he has that 450w Antec PSU. He has plenty of room for overclocking. The 350w PSU is able to do 350w total.

 

[Azuremen]

Yeah. Strange as it may seem though, people don't like being called baby goats, or were you un-aware of the true definition of the word 'kid'. Learn something new every day, as they say.

'Child' or 'youngling' are more acceptable.

EDIT: If you refer to people by what they generally are, I'm curious to know what you call yourself.

In typical vernacular, kid = child. The average person will not jump to the conclusion I am speaking of baby goats. But I guess I can call you a child instead, since it seems fitting after this little exercise.

Or will you argue that people will assume calling someone gay means they are happy?

Truly you've outsmarted us all with goats.

And what would I call myself? A cynical ass would be apt.

It's the reason why I said stock clock on both CPU and GPU for that 350w PSU. But now he has that 450w Antec PSU. He has plenty of room for overclocking. The 350w PSU is able to do 350w total.

You realize you are arguing against common sense, experience, and the recommendation of every credible source?

Or is system instability not really an issue for you?

 

[David]

And what would I call myself? A cynical ass would be apt.

Wait, are we talking about donkeys here?

 

[Azuremen]

Wait, are we talking about donkeys here?

You're right, I better clarify.

A jerk. Oh wait, that could be a term used for physics and motion.

I guess I'll be extra clear. And by clear, I mean specific.

A cynical person, prone to saying abrasive comments when in disagreement with someone, and often prone to sarcasm and exaggeration when someone is mistaken.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

That's not something to be proud of.

 

[Casio]

This thread makes me gay.

 

[bergauk]

That's not something to be proud of.

When you say it like that though. You'd better be proud of it.

 

[Azuremen]

That's not something to be proud of.

Being proud of being candid? I just know how I act, and people who know me get it as well.

If you ask a lot of people around here that have dealt with me for a while, they'd also add in that I can be very helpful.

In this case, Nick09 was playing at semantics, as is often the case with you lot, about the meaning of a word. Anyone with actual experience and reasoning knows full well a recommendation from the manufacture is often the minimum you can get away with before having problems.

Would be like saying meeting the recommended system specs for a video game will guarantee a smooth gaming experience. It won't, and most people know to read those as the actual minimum.

 

[tlowr4]

I've got a word that doesn't need and in-depth description, and describes this thread and everyone remotely related to it.

Crazy.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Because 350 watts isn't enough. What part of it don't you get? What if his power consumption goes higher from OCing? And I doubt that the PSU will put out exactly 350 Watts..

Yeah, it might put out up to 470 watts.

Anyone with actual experience and reasoning knows full well a recommendation from the manufacture is often the minimum you can get away with before having problems.

Would be like saying meeting the recommended system specs for a video game will guarantee a smooth gaming experience. It won't, and most people know to read those as the actual minimum.

GPU manufacturers have to account for crappy power supplies too, which I think would be the likely reason. They have to expect that some buyers will be using crappy power supplies that say 450w but can only output a continuous 300w in real-life conditions.

 

[tlowr4]

...
In this case, Nick09 was playing at semantics, as is often the case with you lot, about the meaning of a word. Anyone with actual experience and reasoning knows full well a recommendation from the manufacture is often the minimum you can get away with before having problems.
...

Ok. Now this is where you start to seriously make me mad.

"You lot" or from my point of view, "Us lot". You are claiming that every other person that is frequent in this section of the forums, is in a leage of their own, and of poor one at that. You're also claiming that you are the only one that has "actual experience and reasoning". Now I havn't gone to everyone's profiles to find their date of birth, nor have I searched to find how long they've been in the technological buisness, but I'd reckon there's a few folk around here that have been working with computers since you were just learning to spoon food into your mouth.

Some of us are new, me being probably the newest and most in-experience of all, but that doesn't give you rights to claim you're the only one who know's what's going on, nor to diss 'us' as a whole, like we are only as smart as each other. Grow up...