Can someone please explain to me why...

[niky]

Sigh... better a few pounds there than the 65 horsepower that the RX8 mysteriously gained in GT4 (there goes my "realistic" road test regimen out the window)...

Or the 33,000 Cr. ( Equivalent to 33k dollars) that the Hyundai Coupe costs... Or the Golf gear ratio glitch, or the Eclipse gear ratio glitch... or........

 

[Duke]

Won the series twice in a Turbo on two game saves, and it was fun, close racing and 200 point races. But not impossible.

I've only run it once, in the non-Turbo base car. But given that I thought that was easy, and didn't require a full build-up at all, I'm confident I could win it in the Turbo car.

I was more referring to the typical new user's complaint that the Speedster series is impossible. Kind of like the Vitz/Yaris series from GT3 - you could use it to tell the men who could drive from the boys who overpowered the AI for most of the game.

 

[<_Spike_>]

I've seen those who didn't over power the rest of the game struggle at the Speedster cup, so that's a little harsh.

 

[CJ350]

The most positive mod I found to improve chances in the opel series was downforce.

 

[Eric.]

Sigh... better a few pounds there than the 65 horsepower that the RX8 mysteriously gained in GT4 (there goes my "realistic" road test regimen out the window)...

Or the 33,000 Cr. ( Equivalent to 33k dollars) that the Hyundai Coupe costs... Or the Golf gear ratio glitch, or the Eclipse gear ratio glitch... or........

The most powerful of the RX-8s is supposedly a JDM-spec model. The middle one (forgot the name at the moment, sorry) should be correct?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

You wouldn't be happy if you went to a restaurant and they got your order wrong, would you? Maybe the restaurant was busy and the cooks were overwhelmed. An understandable error, but that doesn't mean you'll necessarily put up with being served the wrong food. After all, it's their job to get it right. It's the same with games.

Except the errors in GT4 represent a small percentage of the entire game, thus a more accurate analogy to a meal at a restaurant might be as if you were being served a five course gourmet meal, with everything being excellent except for a few over-cooked green beans in one of the side dishes.

Unfortunately for them, some allow a few proverbial over-cooked green beans to ruin an otherwise magnificent meal, and spend their time and energy complaining to anyone who will listen on how unforgivable and unacceptable the meal was due to the over-cooked green beans, how the chefs must be morons for making such a ridiculous mistake, and that the owners of the restaurant better fix it or else...

*sigh*

 

[Alfaholic]

It could also have something to do with the figures provided by the manufacturers when the data was originally frozen. I say this because of the Speedster / VX220's links to the Lotus Elise, which, while undoubtedly light, seems to gain and then shed mass faster than Oprah Winfrey. Every time I look at the mass figures for an Elise they bare little resemblence to the previous figure, even for the same model. The weight seems to vary from anywhere from under 700kg (early claims for original Elises by Lotus to nearly 1000kg for 111Rs and Exige S2s. Meanwhile I have seen quotes for early ones at over 800 and quotes for 111Rs at under 800kg......

The end result is that I don't have a clue how light an Elise is, just that it is rather light... I suppose it's possible that PD got its guesstimates for the Speedster's weight from the same source that weighs all other Lotus vehicles.

BTW Has anyone noticed if the VX220 Turbo is lighter or heavier than the Speedster?

EDIT: oopsy got some figures wrong. Ironic, that!

 

[Tedehur]

All Opels / Vauxhalls have identical powers and weights, except the Calibra.
Opel Calibra : 420 hp / 1 040 kg
Vauxhall Calibra : 449 hp / 1 060 kg
(both in arcade mode)

 

[Leonidae]

they've also messed up MR2 '86's weights. SC should be the heavier one, and NA should be lighter.

 

[harrytuttle]

Harry, the AWD Lightning was fixed for PAL and NTSC NA I think. I'm pretty sure it was only the Japanese NTSC that has the AWD one, because everybody noticed it as soon as it was released.

I have the NTSC/US version (North America), and I can't do burnouts in the Lightning because it's still all-wheel-drive.

The Silverado SS is nice, but the Ram 1500 is a waste. Where's the Ram SRT-10? There's so many things wrong with GT4, many of which they just never fixed since GT1. Polyphony is like Microsoft: more features == more bugs.

But, uh, I play it all the same. It's a hoot. Limited though the non-Japan selection may be, it's great to just pick up the controller and whip up a Time Trial on, well, any track with just about any car.

Actually, it's Entertainment Arts and others who are being childish by not sharing some of the world's finest. PD shouldn't have to pay,

....but i wish they would pay!

What was the deal with EA? Is it that they have an exclusive contract, or they just knew who to kiss up to so they didn't have to pay? But I know it's not a lot of money to pay. There's so many other companies using Ferrari/Porsche/et. al. that it can't cost much. Someone as big as Polyphony *cough*Sony*cough* surely has the pocket change necessary stuffed in Yamauchi's office couch...

Except the errors in GT4 represent a small percentage of the entire game, thus a more accurate analogy to a meal at a restaurant might be as if you were being served a five course gourmet meal, with everything being excellent except for a few over-cooked green beans in one of the side dishes.

How many of the errors are on JDM cars? I don't recall any, and this is among the vast majority of vehicles. All the errors I see are on non-Japan cars. It all seems to point towards my theory of OCD-influenced non-intentional bias.

 

[Jetboy.]

How many of the errors are on JDM cars? I don't recall any, and this is among the vast majority of vehicles. All the errors I see are on non-Japan cars. It all seems to point towards my theory of OCD-influenced non-intentional bias.

This may be futile, but, it only makes sense.. They can't mess up what's out in the PD parking garage. Only my theory, but wouldn't it make a little more sense that things were rushed because they had to travel around to get these specs?

 

[samj_13]

This may be futile, but, it only makes sense.. They can't mess up what's out in the PD parking garage. Only my theory, but wouldn't it make a little more sense that things were rushed because they had to travel around to get these specs?

They could have used Google or Wikipedia to find out the correct stats.

Sort of Off-Topic - I'm sorry if this is a dumb question but what is a JDM?

 

[Jetboy.]

Yeah, but half the car info sites are usually wrong anyway.

 

[samj_13]

They could maybe go to the manufacturer website, it might have stats there.

 

[Eric.]

I have the NTSC/US version (North America), and I can't do burnouts in the Lightning because it's still all-wheel-drive.

Do I need to post a picture of a burnout myself to prove you wrong?

 

[<_Spike_>]

They could have used Google or Wikipedia to find out the correct stats.

Sort of Off-Topic - I'm sorry if this is a dumb question but what is a JDM?

Big margines for inaccuricies there too. Plus it's the fact they'd have to probably find like 5 sources that all agree on stats before considering that as true

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Yeah, but half the car info sites are usually wrong anyway.

Half may even be generous.

Of course, it also doesn't help when even the manufacturers publish conflicting and or inaccurate specs.

Bottom line: It is not worth sweating over the small stuff in real life, and it is certainly not worth sweating over the small stuff in a game!

 

[Eric.]

They could have used Google or Wikipedia to find out the correct stats.

Sort of Off-Topic - I'm sorry if this is a dumb question but what is a JDM?

JDM = Japanese Domestic Market. Cars that are made and sold in Japan. A Honda NSX is a JDM product, for example, while the same car was sold in the US as an Acura (which would be USDM). The term is often used when people are converting their import cars to Japanese specification, or JDM.

 

[niky]

How many of the errors are on JDM cars? I don't recall any, and this is among the vast majority of vehicles. All the errors I see are on non-Japan cars. It all seems to point towards my theory of OCD-influenced non-intentional bias.

Gear errors:
VW Golf Mk V - non-JDM
Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 06 - JDM

Power Error:
Mazda RX8 - 300bhp (Mazda has never claimed this... ever) - JDM

Price Error:
Hyundai Coupe - 33,000 Cr. (given that Cr. price in the NTSC version is close to dollar-price for most cars). - non-JDM

I'm sure I could find more if I looked. It happens across the board, and isn't limited to non-JDM cars.

 

[<_Spike_>]

Price wise I don't think they can be faulted for, it's more or less an average of the price in countries world wide that sell said cars as opposed to them having programmed in individual prices for individual regions

 

[MasterGT]

Did they decide to make the Turbo heavier than in reality for gameplay reasons?

This was what I was saying to myself, as I read through the thread. It seems like an easy way out for PD, though, but each version of the game has had a number of what we call "glaring errors".

Some other plausible reasons exist.

I don't think anyone has mention humour as a possible reason yet. PD has been known to let a bit of that show through, now and then, too.

It's my opinion now that PD was waiting to make GT4 for the PS3 and they finally had to release a PS2 beta version, so maybe they just hadn't finished confirming all of the fine details. The odd thing is that accurate car specs shouldn't that hard to find, for a company such as PD, and data entry errors should be unlikely.

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[niky]

Well, consider: You have over 700 cars. Say, there's about 100 to 1000 data points to enter for each car... say price, power, weight, torque... well, actually, power and torque are entered as probably twenty to thirty points each on a calculated graph, grip, tire size (maybe) transmission ratios, etcetera.

Then consider that despite having most of these entered automatically, some of them are entered by low level programmers into a database spreadsheet so long that it would take months to read.

Who's going to do the proofreading? And are they going to catch everything?

And could that possibly be the reason for "dodgy" brakes on some cars or "unrealistic" speeds on others?

Everyone makes mistakes.

 

[Tedehur]

^ I guess they don't hire programmers to type in data, but rather less qualified (and thus less expensive) people.
Add to that the fact that these people are japanese and yet have to type in car data using an alphabet which is not their native one.

Check the Mitsus, you'll see that all names feature lots of spaces between the make and the model. I've always wondered if this info was a merge of two files or not.

 

[whh01]

I'm always amazed how a topic starts as one thing (Opel Speedster) and drifts over to something totally different (Japanese Domestic Market). That's why I try to have at look at many different threads when I log into this website. :-)

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me that they won at Infineon in B-Spec mode with a Turbo Speedster.

 

[Danny]

I'm always amazed how a topic starts as one thing (Opel Speedster) and drifts over to something totally different (Japanese Domestic Market). That's why I try to have at look at many different threads when I log into this website. :-)

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me that they won at Infineon in B-Spec mode with a Turbo Speedster.

Hehe, welcome to the 'Planet.:tup:

 

[samj_13]

Thanks for clearing that up Ebiggs. Anyway, don't you guys think that the initial question has been answered and this can be closed? Not wanting to be like a mod, but that's just my opinion.

 

[niky]

Actually, as off-topic as this may seem, most of the discussion is still relevant to the Speedster versus Turbo question.

But then, everything goes off-topic here.

 

[samj_13]

I gues it's kinda on the topic.

 

[GTfreak666]

2.2L is probably alluminum block 2.0 L maybe cast iron engine block>???

 

[samj_13]

I don't think an engine block could make that huge of a difference in weight in that car. But's it's a possibility.