Can't go back to GT6 after playing AC

[Lucas]

I've been testing a lot of different games, eventually getting to GTR Evo and Assetto Corsa. The latter was the first racing game that gave me a hard time since the first time I played GT5. And I mean it in a "I spin out all the time" sense, playing with a DS3 didn't help, until eventually I managed to keep control but not pulling fast laps at all. One of the time trials driving a Lotus racecar had me pulling laps 10 seconds slower than the worst time to classify, or something along those lines.

Then some days ago I got back to playing GT5, and Jesus Christ, the game feels so much easier than Assetto Corsa, the only real difficulty is playing without ABS and even then I golded a lot of licenses without much trouble.

 

[Speedster911]

Interesting analogy. I would categorize these games in terms if difficulty and realism like this:

Easiest and least nuanced: GT

More challenging and 'sufficiently' nuanced: Forza M

Most rewarding/challenging and realistic: PC sims

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

I'm becoming more and more interested in making the switch to PC for this along with some other titles that may suffice. Don't get me wrong I love GT6 for the ability to grab just about any street car, and throw it around the track. The rest is hit and miss. The most frustrating parts for me are the inconsistent and broken physics; two biggest parts being suspension (camber is still broken), and the inline (straight) grip on tires (latteral grip seems "ok").

The $1000 question I gotta ask my self, "is it worth it to build a new PC for it?"

 

[gigelis]

you will never look back

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm becoming more and more interested in making the switch to PC for this along with some other titles that may suffice. Don't get me wrong I love GT6 for the ability to grab just about any street car, and throw it around the track. The rest is hit and miss. The most frustrating parts for me are the inconsistent and broken physics; two biggest parts being suspension (camber is still broken), and the inline (straight) grip on tires (latteral grip seems "ok").

The $1000 question I gotta ask my self, "is it worth it to build a new PC for it?"

Not sure anyone can answer this for you. Depends on your finances, how much you enjoy sim driving/racing etc. Consoles offer a plug-and-play simplicity with near bullet proof hardware but generally at the cost of complexity and depth in terms of driving/racing sims. PC's offer more power (if you spend the money), more options, more flexibilty, greater depth/accuracy/immersion but usually at a higher cost and perhaps less reliability and less simplicity. Someone more versed in the gaming community might be able to enlighten you on the differences between PC and Console gamers, if any, and the gaming environment in general. My knowledge is limited to the GT series in that regard, and I can't help but think the online community (open lobbies not race series) couldn't possibly be worse than it is in GT for sim racers. So many cars, so many gamers, and so little racing on "realistic" tires that most nights it's nigh on impossible to find an open lobby to race in.

If you can afford it, and you're really into driving/racing I don't see how you can avoid going down the PC route at some point. Then you'll find out why it's challenging to go back to console gaming after driving on the PC.💡💡

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

I'm becoming more and more interested in making the switch to PC for this along with some other titles that may suffice. Don't get me wrong I love GT6 for the ability to grab just about any street car, and throw it around the track. The rest is hit and miss. The most frustrating parts for me are the inconsistent and broken physics; two biggest parts being suspension (camber is still broken), and the inline (straight) grip on tires (latteral grip seems "ok").

The $1000 question I gotta ask my self, "is it worth it to build a new PC for it?"

I think you mentioned it already "...along with some other titles", the PC opens up your options to much more than just AC. Game Stock Car Extreme, rFactor 2, R3E/DTM, pCARS, to name just a few. There just isn't anything on the console that is a match to these if you prefer better FFB, physics, sim racing features, etc..
Now if you put importance on quantity over quality (cars), like collecting trophies, paint chips, etc. then maybe not. Nothing wrong with what I just mentioned, it just comes down to what you enjoy. It's a no brainer "for me" as I only like racing; the PC is the only choice. I do also own consoles (PS3-GT series, 360 and X1 for FM series) but not really sure why these days.

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

@Johnnypenso affordability will come in the next 6 months or so once I get some things (student loans) paid off. The physics being off bugs the crap out of me more and more. How is it on 'racing' tires (sports softs) I can melt the tires with a nearly stock Focus with 170 horses, my v6 Fusion with 220 horses I had couldn't barely spin the "street tires" IRL. Plus the random losses of grip due to instability with GT6.

@FuzzyFassbender I have GTR Evolution, Race07, and RaceRoom Racing Experience. The latter doesn't run very well on my aging non-gaming pc. But with the 'itch' for a better driving experience since getting my wheel, GT6 is beginning to fail me. I do want quality, but I also want some good choices. After watching the interview with the AC developer, I have more confidence that if a car is not released with the game, that it could be modded in or released later. I rather enjoy running around with lower level street cars, it feels more real to me (that is if I wanted to build a race car my self it would have started its life as a street car).

you both bring up rather good points, points that lead to a much bigger question: what parts would be best suited? (I haven't built a gaming PC before, and will have to do some research)

Thank you both, another reason I love

 

[Speedster911]

I'm becoming more and more interested in making the switch to PC for this along with some other titles that may suffice. Don't get me wrong I love GT6 for the ability to grab just about any street car, and throw it around the track. The rest is hit and miss. The most frustrating parts for me are the inconsistent and broken physics; two biggest parts being suspension (camber is still broken), and the inline (straight) grip on tires (latteral grip seems "ok").

The $1000 question I gotta ask my self, "is it worth it to build a new PC for it?"

Mate if you're not in any way being held back by affordability, PC sims is THEE way to go, to satisfy those motorhead cravings!

Get a proper wheel + pedal set up and you're good to go.

Consoles are great, as one of our fellow petrol heads describes as just picking up your favorite street car and track, and enjoying what it has to offer.

PC sims are absolutely worth it, they capture that raw and almost painful/dangerous feel of pro motor sports. I haven't played most of them, since I've been out of the PC gaming zone for well over a decade now.. but I am well aware of the hardcore realism they boast. Like aa'said if money ain't your issue bud, you should absolutely get a rig just for sims.

Hold on to your X1/PS4 though.. some super-stellar games on the way.

I loved GT while I still hung on to it, Forza gives me immense satisfaction to this day.. but if only I had the cashiola, I'd rush out today to get a maxed out PC and wheel/pedal.. ya know, the works!

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

Mate if you're not in any way being held back by affordability, PC sims is THEE way to go, to satisfy those motorhead cravings!

Get a proper wheel + pedal set up and you're good to go.

Consoles are great, as one of our fellow petrol heads describes as just picking up your favorite street car and track, and enjoying what it has to offer.

PC sims are absolutely worth it, they capture that raw and almost painful/dangerous feel of pro motor sports. I haven't played most of them, since I've been out of the PC gaming zone for well over a decade now.. but I am well aware of the hardcore realism they boast. Like aa'said if money ain't your issue bud, you should absolutely get a rig just for sims.

Hold on to your X1/PS4 though.. some super-stellar games on the way.

I loved GT while I still hung on to it, Forza gives me immense satisfaction to this day.. but if only I had the cashiola, I'd rush out today to get a maxed out PC and wheel/pedal.. ya know, the works!

Thats what I'm thinkin'! Affordability: I'd like to keep the PC build under $1000 USD, that in mind all I need is the tower and OS.

I don't have a PS4, nor do I plan on it (hence the PC build idea) because the costs. I have a Logitech G27 (stock) and a PS3 (well my current PC, but it ain't for gaming). For me to upgrade to a PS4 = new console and new wheel/that stupid adapter that will surely run $150-200.

 

[Oso Actual]

@Jimmy_Pop , I just recently jumped into the PC side of things when my current wheel setup was unusable on current gen consoles....worst decision I ever made and by that I mean I should have done it sooner . I am still learning as it is not as cut and dry as console play but the community around here is knowledgeable and very helpful to get you on your way if needed. Good luck and enjoy!

 

[Johnnypenso]

Thats what I'm thinkin'! Affordability: I'd like to keep the PC build under $1000 USD, that in mind all I need is the tower and OS.

I don't have a PS4, nor do I plan on it (hence the PC build idea) because the costs. I have a Logitech G27 (stock) and a PS3 (well my current PC, but it ain't for gaming). For me to upgrade to a PS4 = new console and new wheel/that stupid adapter that will surely run $150-200.

You'll find some insight into your PC builld here Post your questions and potential setup and you'll get some help right here on GTP. I'm not an expert by any stretch but I've been researching my own PC build for about a month and the most important elements are the core of the machine, CPU and GPU. AC or any other game doesn't care what your tower looks like, what your power supply is (as long as it's adequate to run the machine) etc. With the release of the NVidia 900 series cards recently, GPU prices have dropped like a stone. I'd recommend that you get the best CPU and GPU you can afford and build the rest of the system around that, there is just no substitute for processing power. If you can afford it I'd recommend these two pieces of hardware:

Intel i5 4690k 3.5GHz CPU - $229 Overclockable to 4.0 GHz and beyond but plenty of stock power to run AC or any other game on high settings.

GeForce GTX 970 GPU - $329 Do your research and pick a brand you're comfortable with. A next-gen 4gb gaming card with exceptional performance for the $$.

Here is a $1000 build with both components.

Use the PCPartPicker site to put together various sample builds to see what you're looking at price wise. You can save them and post the links here.

I use the G27 with AC and quite like it. I am thinking of upgrading to a belted wheel but I'd be quite happy using the G27 if that's all I had. I would suggest the GTEYE brake mod for the G27. Adds a tremendous amount of progressive stiffness to the pedal and you can swap out the old brake spring into the clutch if you find the clutch a bit soft. I made the switch months ago and would never go back. It's inexpensive, and Kristian from @GTEYE completes the package with a PDF containing full colour, simple to follow, logical instructions. Ships fast too. Can't recommend it enough.

 

[Speedster911]

Thats what I'm thinkin'! Affordability: I'd like to keep the PC build under $1000 USD, that in mind all I need is the tower and OS.

I don't have a PS4, nor do I plan on it (hence the PC build idea) because the costs. I have a Logitech G27 (stock) and a PS3 (well my current PC, but it ain't for gaming). For me to upgrade to a PS4 = new console and new wheel/that stupid adapter that will surely run $150-200.

You can build a very good rig on that budget. Get cheap parts, but the RAM and especially processor and GPU has to be really good quality. Make sure the power supply's reliable and HDD is fast. That's it.

Hang on to the PS3 for memory's sakes. It has some really good games worth playing every now and then. Happy PC gaming. I say if you have a PC that can even hit good frames with detail levels just shy of ultra, you're good to go, although a maxed out machine is really something else, I tell ya.

Get a current-gen console only if you're in it for the exclusives.

You'll find some insight into your PC builld here Post your questions and potential setup and you'll get some help right here on GTP. I'm not an expert by any stretch but I've been researching my own PC build for about a month and the most important elements are the core of the machine, CPU and GPU. AC or any other game doesn't care what your tower looks like, what your power supply is (as long as it's adequate to run the machine) etc. With the release of the NVidia 900 series cards recently, GPU prices have dropped like a stone. I'd recommend that you get the best CPU and GPU you can afford and build the rest of the system around that, there is just no substitute for processing power. If you can afford it I'd recommend these two pieces of hardware:

Intel i5 4690k 3.5GHz CPU - $229

GeForce GTX 970 GPU - $329 (do your research and pick a brand you're comfortable with)

Here is a $1000 build with both components.

Use the PCPartPicker site to put together various sample builds to see what you're looking at price wise. You can save them and post the links here.

I use the G27 with AC and quite like it. I am thinking of upgrading to a belted wheel but I'd be quite happy using the G27 if that's all I had. I would suggest the GTEYE brake mod for the G27. Adds a tremendous amount of progressive stiffness to the pedal and you can swap out the old brake spring into the clutch if you find the clutch a bit soft. I made the switch months ago and would never go back. It's inexpensive, and Kristian from @GTEYE completes the package with a PDF containing full colour, simple to follow, logical instructions. Ships fast too. Can't recommend it enough.

You are absolutely on the money Sir!

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

You can build a very good rig on that budget. Get cheap parts, but the RAM and especially processor and GPU has to be really good quality. Make sure the power supply's reliable and HDD is fast. That's it.

Hang on to the PS3 for memory's sakes. It has some really good games worth playing every now and then. Happy PC gaming. I say if you have a PC that can even hit good frames with detail levels just shy of ultra, you're good to go, although a maxed out machine is really something else, I tell ya.

Get a current-gen console only if you're in it for the exclusives.



You are absolutely on the money Sir!

Thanks guys, and by all means do i plan to keep the ps3. Yes i have messed around on parts picker, i know the most important pieces will be the processor, ram, and video card. But not knowing each product is my downfall, again your help is greatly appreciated.

I plan on modding the g27 a bit next year when i get my own place and can build a proper rig. The gteye is one of those mods.

Finally had a chance to compare that suggested build from parts picker, now I am unsure the reason for the smaller solid state drive, but here is a run http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RqQrwP

So this is even better: HP semi-custom built for $1009

• Windows 7 Pro 64
• 4th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 processor quad-core [3.6GHz, 8MB Shared Cache]
• 12GB DDR3-1600MHz [2 DIMMs]
• 2TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
• 4GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 745 [DVI, HDMI, DP, DVI to VGA adapter]
• Blu-ray Reader and SuperMulti DVD burner
• Integrated Sound, Envy Audio; Beats Audio

 

[KingPing]

Don't buy the HP, it's way overpriced gaming wise. The GTX745 is too weak for serious gaming (specially if you are spending $1000), The GTX970 is way better.

Buy this, but:

1) If you are not going to OC (no real reason to OC these days with a non SLI PC) drop the 212 EVO, and save $33.

2) If you are not going to OC, buy a non K i5, you save a few bucks.

3) Buy 2 x 4GB RAM, no need for more than 8GB, you can add more later if needed. You save $60.

4) IMO regarding sound cards, go big or go home, I would buy something high end like a ASUS STX, Creative Zx, ZxR. If you have high end speakers and/or headphones. If not use the onboard audio and save $27.

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

Don't buy the HP, it's way overpriced gaming wise. The GTX745 is too weak for serious gaming (specially if you are spending $1000), The GTX970 is way better.

Buy this, but:

1) If you are not going to OC (no real reason to OC these days with a non SLI PC) drop the 212 EVO, and save $33.

2) If you are not going to OC, buy a non K i5, you save a few bucks.

3) Buy 2 x 4GB RAM, no need for more than 8GB, you can ass more later if needed. You save $60.

4) IMO regarding sound cards, go big or go home, I would buy something high end like a ASUS STX, Creative Zx, ZxR. If you have high end speakers and/or headphones. If not use the onboard audio and save $27.

Ok, after making some adjustments you suggested (minus the cpu cooling fan, because I think it may be wise and its only $30) it tips the scales at $1160.

Because I really don't know any better, in regards to the video card. Is it that much worse? What I mean is, if I run the settings on high (or not quite max) lets say, is it going to butcher it?

The reason I am leary of custom builts is I have heard the "oh it'll fit and its all compatible", only to find out that it really isn't.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Ok, after making some adjustments you suggested (minus the cpu cooling fan, because I think it may be wise and its only $30) it tips the scales at $1160.

Because I really don't know any better, in regards to the video card. Is it that much worse? What I mean is, if I run the settings on high (or not quite max) lets say, is it going to butcher it?

The reason I am leary of custom builts is I have heard the "oh it'll fit and its all compatible", only to find out that it really isn't.

I doubt you'd be able to run high with the 745, it's a $100 video card. The video card in the PS4 is worth twice that.

According to this review, it's not even suitable for 1080p display and that should tell you everything you need to know. 👍

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

I doubt you'd be able to run high with the 745, it's a $100 video card. The video card in the PS4 is worth twice that.

According to this review, it's not even suitable for 1080p display and that should tell you everything you need to know. 👍

thank you, now that I know, it will be helpful. I did find a site CyberPowerPc, they have comparable prices for the "good stuff".

 

[KingPing]

Because I really don't know any better, in regards to the video card. Is it that much worse?

Yes, extremely worse, the GTX745 is the perfect card to play games from 10 years ago, the GTX970 is a card to play today current gen games (PS4, XONE), all of them, and will still be a capable card for several years. The GTX970 is one of the best cards i have ever seen.

What I mean is, if I run the settings on high (or not quite max) lets say, is it going to butcher it?

I doubt the GTX745 could run the game on medium at 1080p. The GTX970 will easily run the game maxed out at 1080p.

The reason I am leary of custom builts is I have heard the "oh it'll fit and its all compatible", only to find out that it really isn't.

To be sure it'll fit and its all compatible, post here what components you'll buy and we will tell you if everything is Ok.

 

[Whitestar]

I'll just ever so slightly stick my annoying head in here and remind us that the last 5-6 post have info that would be nice to have in the PC hardware thread. Don't chop it off (my head). I understand that it's very easy for the thread to glide a bit sideways though, as the topics are somewhat intertwined.

 

[Sele1981]

Yep, for me there is also no way to go back to GT or Forza. The PC offers you incredible freedom with software and hardware. And games that will never be (playable) on consoles. For example, I bought Arma III yesterday. Finally a sweet and serious war game simulation and no blockbuster action and adrenaline shooter like Call of Duty or Battlefield. BF is also good but Arma is nice if you like to play chilled.

I have an PS4 too but it is 99% of the time turned off. I only turn it on when friends come. For sure there is a huge lack of games for next gen at the moment. Will get my hands on GTA V for PS4.

 

[Whitestar]

I have to admit I haven't played GT6 in a long while, but I really should try the new FFB. Right now AC is so addictive that I don't play much else. The PS3 has given me some of my best gaming moments. Wouldn't want to have been without it.

I'll be keeping an eye on GT7 also. But it will have to be something special for me to shell out the cash for a PS4.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'll just ever so slightly stick my annoying head in here and remind us that the last 5-6 post have info that would be nice to have in the PC hardware thread. Don't chop it off (my head). I understand that it's very easy for the thread to glide a bit sideways though, as the topics are somewhat intertwined.

I put a link up to that conversation in the hardware thread.

I have to admit I haven't played GT6 in a long while, but I really should try the new FFB. Right now AC is so addictive that I don't play much else. The PS3 has given me some of my best gaming moments. Wouldn't want to have been without it.

I'll be keeping an eye on GT7 also. But it will have to be something special for me to shell out the cash for a PS4.

It's very good actually, you get a lot more information than you did before with the G27. Unfortunately, for me anyway, now more than ever, every car feels about the same, all that changes is how readily the car turns on entry and the total amount of grip. I've been driving cars on CH for a couple of nights and have had no trouble driving anything from 400pp up to the FXX and Huayra, even at the Nurb.

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

I'll just ever so slightly stick my annoying head in here and remind us that the last 5-6 post have info that would be nice to have in the PC hardware thread. Don't chop it off (my head). I understand that it's very easy for the thread to glide a bit sideways though, as the topics are somewhat intertwined.

Sorry, I never meant for it to go that far. All future hardware questions will go in the proper place.

 

[Neddo]

Interesting analogy. I would categorize these games in terms if difficulty and realism like this:

Easiest and least nuanced: GT

More challenging and 'sufficiently' nuanced: Forza M

Most rewarding/challenging and realistic: PC sims

However, GT1-4 and GT5 red bull challenge licenses uber hard

 

[Whitestar]

It's very good actually, you get a lot more information than you did before with the G27. Unfortunately, for me anyway, now more than ever, every car feels about the same, all that changes is how readily the car turns on entry and the total amount of grip. I've been driving cars on CH for a couple of nights and have had no trouble driving anything from 400pp up to the FXX and Huayra, even at the Nurb.

Just tried it. Wow, I have gotten spoiled with AC it seems. There is just something...lifeless about the cars in GT6 now. Like you said they feel kind of samey. And I'm not sure about the ffb either. If I let go of my T500 it starts oscillating now, just like my old G25 did in GT5.

Another thing also struck me: It's what @Imari said in another thread that I remember I thought was spot on: It's more difficult to control the line through corners in GT6. In AC small adjustments made to the throttle have much more impact. That's why I feel I have much better control of the car in AC. Also, in AC I just feel more "connected" to the road somehow.

That said, it was fun to toss the 458 around Spa now. The snap-back from earlier is much less pronounced. Got some good drifts. Even though the car feels a bit slidey/icey on Sports Hard, and the tyres scream like there's no tomorrow.

Sorry, I never meant for it to go that far. All future hardware questions will go in the proper place.

Heheh, no problem mate. We all derail a bit now and then.

 

[Speedster911]

^^ Throttle plays a major role IRL so as to how your car feels and handles through fast and tight corners. GT does not appear to acknowledge this.

Thanks guys, and by all means do i plan to keep the ps3. Yes i have messed around on parts picker, i know the most important pieces will be the processor, ram, and video card. But not knowing each product is my downfall, again your help is greatly appreciated.

I plan on modding the g27 a bit next year when i get my own place and can build a proper rig. The gteye is one of those mods.

Finally had a chance to compare that suggested build from parts picker, now I am unsure the reason for the smaller solid state drive, but here is a run http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RqQrwP

So this is even better: HP semi-custom built for $1009

• Windows 7 Pro 64
• 4th Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 processor quad-core [3.6GHz, 8MB Shared Cache]
• 12GB DDR3-1600MHz [2 DIMMs]
• 2TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
• 4GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 745 [DVI, HDMI, DP, DVI to VGA adapter]
• Blu-ray Reader and SuperMulti DVD burner
• Integrated Sound, Envy Audio; Beats Audio

I'm no PC gaming expert, but that looks like it could juice up your games pretty good!

 

[Perkel]

^^ Throttle plays a major role IRL so as to how your car feels and handles through fast and tight corners. GT does not appear to acknowledge this.

Uber ********. It only happens when you are playing with slicks. F40 + S1 tyres is harder to drive than in AC because of what you said. And it is mostly for all cars. Try older cars like RUF Yellow on N2-N3 and try to tell me you are not using throttle in corners.

Quite frankly i was surprised how few cars in AC felt so easy to drive coming from GT5. I mean for example mentioned F40. Battle with Lift off oversteer was major problem in GT5 where in AC it's like i am glued to road in F40. I don't know if this is due to better compound of tyres (AC devs mentioned they don't simulate older tyres well) or that one of those models isn't really properly simulated.

 

[skazz]

<..> where in AC it's like i am glued to road in F40. I don't know if this is due to better compound of tyres (AC devs mentioned they don't simulate older tyres well) or that one of those models isn't really properly simulated.

Let me get this straight, you are saying that when you select the 90s road tyres for the F40 in AC it's glued to the road?

You must be playing a different game to me. When I try the F40 on those tyres it wants to oversteer whenever I look at a corner....

 

[Perkel]

Glued to road compared to Gt5 version on S1 tyres.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Uber ********. It only happens when you are playing with slicks. F40 + S1 tyres is harder to drive than in AC because of what you said. And it is mostly for all cars. Try older cars like RUF Yellow on N2-N3 and try to tell me you are not using throttle in corners.

Quite frankly i was surprised how few cars in AC felt so easy to drive coming from GT5. I mean for example mentioned F40. Battle with Lift off oversteer was major problem in GT5 where in AC it's like i am glued to road in F40. I don't know if this is due to better compound of tyres (AC devs mentioned they don't simulate older tyres well) or that one of those models isn't really properly simulated.

IMO the amount of oversteer in the F40 in GT6 is unrealistic and when you combine it with the illogical brake release oversteer in every single car it makes for a back end that's more difficult to control at first but with the very forgiving tire physics, once you get a handle on it it's quite easy. I find the key to speed in GT is quite simple, mainly timing the brake release oversteer to create the maximum rotation at the proper time and modulating the throttle if necessary to control the car. Suzuka Star is currently testing all the premiums on Comfort Hards with a DS3 and outside of a few of the most powerful cars, he's not having much trouble being consistent. I've tried 30 or so cars myself, right up to the FXX and Veyron on CH tires with little difficulty.

I find AC very easy to drive until you get near the limits of the car and then you are balancing on a knife edge to maintain control and forward momentum. If the potential of a given car/track combination is 1:22, running 1:24's is relatively simple in any car and that's how it would be in real life if you have the proper skills. But running consistent 22's that's a different matter altogether. All the subtle inputs in throttle/steering/brake/weight shift/tuning all seem to be more active at the limit in AC, whereas in GT they seem muted.