Caparo T1, Discussion thread.

Is that Hulme F1 a working prototype? I'd like to see what it's capable of. I like the way the Caparo T1 looks more and a 1/1 power to weight ratio is impressive! Didn't the caparo go through a name change since the original company got bought by another?
 
when i start designing cars, THAT is what they will look like :drool: i will take engineering cues from these examples for sure...
 
Yea, I agree with Encyclopedia. The Hulme is a much better looking car.
The difference is in the details, the Caparo tries too hard to mix both angular and curvaceous shape and also F1 car styling with road car styling. I don't really like the back of the Caparo, the reverse wing (I don't remember the proper word) doesn't really work for me. And I like the black detailing on the Hulme.
 
IMO, choosing which of these cars is better by looks alone is missing the point. These are about performance and aerodynamics. Looking at the spec sheet I'd rather have the Caparo T1 (Freestream T1 before the takeover), due to the extremely lighweight construction, 3g+ cornering, 500kg+ of downforce at 150mph and the stunning performance (0-100mph in less than 5 seconds and 0-100-0 in less than 10 seconds). The designers (who also worked on the McLaren F1) reckon it'll be good for a very quick lap at the ring too, perhaps even taking the lap record from the Radical SR8.
 
I think i prefere the Caparo to the Hulme, its much closer to actual F1 technology.

I can never really see the point of put-it-on-a-trailer-and-tow-it-to-a-circuit track day cars. If you're not going to really drive it on the road - why not just buy a proper racing car and go racing? Even if you don't really like the 'competitive' side of racing you could buy yourself a 10-15 year old F1 car for probably a lot less than either of these cars and absolutely blow everything else on the track away.
 
Given the choice right now of which one to take home it would have to be the Hulme, the design just looks so much better. The Caparo looks like a half ripoff, but I'd gladly have one if the Hulme wasn't an option.

Take the Hulme home, get it resprayed with a chrome paint, with black underlayer.
 
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I think i prefere the Caparo to the Hulme, its much closer to actual F1 technology.

I can never really see the point of put-it-on-a-trailer-and-tow-it-to-a-circuit track day cars. If you're not going to really drive it on the road - why not just buy a proper racing car and go racing? Even if you don't really like the 'competitive' side of racing you could buy yourself a 10-15 year old F1 car for probably a lot less than either of these cars and absolutely blow everything else on the track away.
These cars are road going. Maybe they wouldn't be suitable to drive on the road, but it's street legal, at least where it was created.
 
Source: AutoCar

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The Caparo T1 will make its first appearance as a running vehicle at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this June.

The T1 – a radical new supercar that’s about as close as it gets to an F1 car for the road – has been displayed at several shows over the past year or so, but this will be the first time we’ll get to see it on the move.

Significantly, the T1 will also be running with an entirely new specification of engine from that originally planned. Gone is a high-revving turbocharged 2.4-litre 480bhp V8, to be replaced by a new Caparo-designed and built naturally aspirated 3.5-litre V8, claimed to produce over 550bhp.

“The new engine delivers both the performance and reliability we’re looking for in the T1, the two key factors vital to our customers when running this type of car,” said the car’s co-designer Ben Scott-Geddes.

Given the T1’s featherlight kerbweight – said to be around 500kg, which is less than an F1 car – performance should be extreme. Caparo reckons the T1 is good for 0-60mph in 2.5sec.

The price is also pretty extreme – Caparo reckons the T1 will be £180,000 plus taxes, so at least £211,500 in the UK.

Festival-goers will be able to see the T1 in action along the 1.16 miles of Goodwood’s hill climb, and also as a static display in the new technology pavilion.
 
I hope a video of that run makes it on to Youtube, Google, etc., because I am curious to see the performance of a car with such potential. However, to refer to it as a supercar seems kinda off. To me that thing falls into the same category as a Atom or Radical. I know it is a little more practical then both the Atom and Radical, but still.

All things aside I think it is an amazing peice of machinery and I hope the performance figures hold true in real life. The engine seems like quite the beast. I am curious to see how reliable a motor with such a high horsepower per liter figure will be.

All I want to know is where and when can I get to pilot one of those! :)


EDIT: I take back the practical thing after doing a little research on the car.
 
Nice to see such a concept finally get going.

Shame the engineers couldn't think of a better place for the lisence plate...
 
what are your opinions about the latest concept to break a record, the Caparo T1
I dont know yet when it should be available but it's supposedley faster than the bugati veyron which can hit 260mph(about 418kph)
 
Their own website ( http://www.caparo-t1.com/ ) claims 200mph on their "low downforce" setup, which means, it's not ever going to go any faster from the factory.

It's not meant to break records, it's meant to be a pure sports car. Shame it looks like garbage.
 
The Saleen S7 can too, it's not really that big of a deal. Especially considering there's no logical way to do it.
 
The Caparo is designed to offer F1-like performance for the public. It uses low weight, a lot of power and designing to make it come seem like one of those machines. And the deal about driving upside down is a big deal. Basically, that means it has a low weight and produces a lot of downforce. No, you wouldn't ever actually wand to drive it upside down, but it is a huge thing that it is a very light car with a lot of aerodynamic help for grip. And you might say "only 200 mph?" Well, F1 cars rarely top that. They are geared for optimum track performance, not top speed. Caparo has wisely not put top speed at the top of their list, but has just kidna let it happen.
 
round tunnel.

That's logical how? All the damage you would do to the bumper, sideskirts and whatever defusers would ruin the downforce. There's no way to avoid scraping the ground unless it's a HUGE tunnel with an extremely small grade. Which again, is not logical due to the size it would have to be.
 
I personally happen to quite like the way it looks, but looks are very subjective; what's not is the performance of the damn thing, sorry but nothing else on the road comes close to its around ability as a performance car (yes quite a few have a higher V-max, but top speed isn't everything).

Autocar have driven a pre-production version and here's the write-up...

Autocar
What is it?

On paper it’s the brain child of ex-McLaren employees Ben Scott Geddes and Graham Halstead, who have recently been joined in their quest by none other than Gordon Murray himself (he who created the McLaren F1 road car).

In reality it’s also the fastest accelerating road car in history, and therefore the only car to find yourself in, sitting next to a Bugatti Veyron, waiting for the traffic lights to go green.

That's right: 'it' can only be the awesome 1075bhp-per-tonne Caparo T1. And this is the first place in the world where you can reliably find out what it's like to drive
Tell me more…

The T1's headline figures are all just about unprecedented for a road car, which is kind of what you’d expect given the team of people that has created it.

The chassis-tub is made entirely from carbonfibre and the suspension, brakes, steering, engine and gearbox all bear an uncanny resemblance to the sort of items you’d find on a cutting edge single seater racing car. Except, of course, the T1 isn’t a single seater, it’s a one plus three quarters (fat blokes – or birds – might well be able to squeeze themselves into the second seat but, without disassembling the car around them, that’s where they’ll stay for the rest of their lives).

The engine was meant to be a 2.4-litre V8 with 430bhp, but as the car evolved the engine grew to become a 3.5-litre V8 that’s essentially a mildly detuned Indycar engine with 575bhp at 10,500rpm and “around” 310lb ft of torque.

All up, the car we drove – one of just two pre-production models in existence – weighed just 535kg, giving a power-to-weight ratio well beyond the magic (and planned from the very beginning) 1000bhp per tonne. A 2007 F1 car has no more than 1350bhp per tonne, just in case you wondered.

The gearbox is a six-speed paddle shift manual, and although it features new software that makes it smoother for road use, again this is very much an established competition item, similar to the straight cut Hewland ‘box used in Indycar racing.

What’ll it do then? We haven’t yet strapped our timing gear to the car, but Caparo says the T1 will get to 60mph in 2.5sec, 100mph in less than five seconds and do 0-100-0mph in a quite staggering 7.2sec (we timed the Veyron at a piffling 9.9sec for 0-100-0mph).

Top speed is limited by the aero package and on the car we drove was somewhere around 190mph, but if a customer wants a low drag car that’ll do over 200mph that won’t be a problem, sir. Oh yes, and the price is £190,000 plus local taxes, so call it £211,000 in the UK.
What’s it like?

In a word or three, absolutely un-flipping-believable. At a stroke it makes other track day specials such as the Lotus 2-Eleven feel like they are stuck in first gear.

To begin with the acceleration is so massive it borders on being uncomfortable. I’ve driven a Jaguar R3 F1 car that had one of the sport's older, more powerful V10 engines, and I’m not joking when I say the T1 isn’t a million miles away on raw acceleration. And it has phenomenal traction to go with it, despite the test car having no form of traction control beyond your brain and your right foot (a full TC system will be made available on production cars).

But what really blows your mind are the brakes. And the amount of grip the T1 can generate through a 140mph fifth gear corner. They say it’ll pull over 3g – most road cars start to slide off the road at not much more than 1g. And from the way you can hear yourself groaning against the strain through a fast corner, you don’t feel inclined to doubt the claims.

The brakes are also borderline ridiculous compared with those of other, supposedly fast road cars. You think a Porsche 911 GT3 RS feels tidy when you lean on the middle pedal? Be prepared to have your imagination completely recalibrated, because the T1 is in an entirely different league again.

It’s one of those cars in which you can drive right up to the apex of a corner at full noise and then simply dump 80mph in a heartbeat. And it’ll make track days very much a case of; “Is there a Caparo turning up? Because if so I don’t think I’ll bother, thanks…”
Should I buy one?

Do you want a road legal runabout that's also the absolute last word in track day speed? The let's put it this way; the car that won Le Mans for Bentley a few years ago was barely any quicker than the T1 around Snetterton, and an F3 car is several second slower round circuits such as Mallory and Oulton Park.

What you’re talking about is the sort of speed that will enable you to lap people in their Ferrari F430s and 911 Turbos as if they were standing still. In light of which £211,000 doesn’t actually seem quite so ridiculous. And because there is nothing – and I really do mean nothing – else like it available, £211k could even be something of a bargain.
Source - http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Caparo-T1-3.5-V8/227530/

...keep in mind its a first drive and they have not yet independently figured the car.

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round tunnel.
That's logical how? All the damage you would do to the bumper, sideskirts and whatever defusers would ruin the downforce. There's no way to avoid scraping the ground unless it's a HUGE tunnel with an extremely small grade. Which again, is not logical due to the size it would have to be.


Have you guys any idea how much power, speed and downforce you would need
to stop gravity from slamming all 535kg straight back down to the tarmac?

Unless you're using aircraft technology, and mabe putting a set of wings on it,
this car is barely half way there.
 

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