Caparo T1, Discussion thread.

[JCE]

Nasty incident though, especially as the flames crept forward from the rear.

Especially while traveling in excess of 100mph? Youch...

Trust Fifth Gear to balls it all up. They'll probably say it was the guys at Top Gear trying to get their own back.

Awsome, I laughed outloud when Clarkson blamed Fifth Gear for the barn fire. I bet the FG crew actually chuckled too--and don't be surprised if a tongue-in-cheek remark happens on FG soon.

 

[superberkut]

Response to engine fire: Well, it is a British car, isn't it?

 

[superberkut]

Response to engine fire: Well, it is a British car, isn't it? (no offense intended)

 

[niky]

You can say that again...












Whoops... guess you already did...

 

[daan]

According to the TV page in the paper today, it's on Fifth Gear tonight.

 

[TheCracker]

Plato's burns looked pretty bad on the ITV BTCC finale over the weekend.

 

[daan]

Or, as Clarkson called him, Jason "Baked" Potato

 

[Hitman]

Top speed: 200 mph
0-100 mph: 4.5 sec.
0-60 mph: 2.0 sec.
Lateral Acceleration: 4 g
Braking Acceleration: 4 g
Skidpad Figure: 4.5 g
Wheelbase: 2900 mm
Width: 1990 mm
Height: 1075 mm
Length: 4066 mm
Passengers: 2
Chassis: carbon and aluminum
Transmission: Magnesium/carbon 6-speed sequential Paddle Shift
Shifting times: 60 milliseconds
Brakes: 355 mm (front & rear) racing brakes (carbon ceramic)
Engine: Aluminum, Dry-sump V-8
Power-to-weight Ratio: 3.0 lb. (more than 1000 horsepower/tonne)
Horsepower: 485 hp @ 10,500 rpm
Fuel Tank: 70 liters
Body: Carbon fiber with tunable aerodynamics
Curb weight: 420 kg (925 pounds)

 

[Perfect Balance]

Skidpad Figure: 4.5 g

And to think my car puts out around 0.85g at best with my better tires.

Unbelieveable...

 

[exigeracer]

Yeah that is truly remarkable. Even the stickiest cars out there still can't muster 1.1g's.

 

[Scaff]

Time for a quick update on the T1.

This months copy of Evo has just landed on my door-mat and they have put a T1 through its paces. So here are a few independent figures for it.

0-30 - 2.2
0-40 - 2.8
0-50 - 3.4
0-60 - 3.8
0-70 - 4.3
0-80 - 4.9
0-90 - 5.6
0-100 - 6.2
0-110 - 7.0
0-120 - 7.8
0-130 - 8.9
0-140 - 10.1
0-150 - 11.6
0-160 - 13.3
0-170 - 16.1
0-180 - 20.1

1/4 mile = 11.00/143mph
0-100-0 = 11.3


Very impressive figures all-round, however what is quite simply mindbending is the laptime. The current lap record holder at Evos circuit (West Circuit Bedford Autodrome) is the Gumpert Appolo, a stupidly quick, but ugly car I'm sure you would all agree. Even the tight nature of the circuit and short straights didn't stop the Appolo besting even a Caterham R500 and posting a time of 1:19.4 (an R500 does it in 1:20.2).

The T1 absolutely destroys this time, its time (on road legal tyres and road trim) was 1:10.8. Which makes it over eight and a half seconds quicker around a 1.8 mile circuit.

To help put that into better context let me post it up with a few other quick cars.

T1 - 1:10.8
Apollo S - 1:19.4
R500 - 1:20.2
Atom 3 - 1:21.5
430 Scud - 1:21.7
LP560-4 - 1:22.5
Carrera GT - 1:23.3
997 GT2 - 1:23.5
Nissan GT-R - 1:23.6

Quite quick then.

Scaff

 

[slidesquad#1]

So have they managed to get these things to stop spontaneously combusting yet? I remember laughing very hard at the Top Gear segment on this.

 

[stumpydino]

one caught fire on fifth gear, on top gear some floor panel came loose. its fast no doubt but it does appear to be a bit hit n miss in quality. imo the hulme f1 looks better too

 

[daan]

imo the hulme f1 looks better too

But does it exist? They have articles from magazines on their website but there's nothing newer than 2006.

 

[TheCracker]

Very impressive figures all-round, however what is quite simply mindbending is the laptime. The current lap record holder at Evos circuit (West Circuit Bedford Autodrome) is the Gumpert Appolo, a stupidly quick, but ugly car I'm sure you would all agree. Even the tight nature of the circuit and short straights didn't stop the Appolo besting even a Caterham R500 and posting a time of 1:19.4 (an R500 does it in 1:20.2).

The T1 absolutely destroys this time, its time (on road legal tyres and road trim) was 1:10.8. Which makes it over eight and a half seconds quicker around a 1.8 mile circuit.

Does it mention who does the driving?

 

[Scaff]

Does it mention who does the driving?

It does. John Barker was driving, who drives the vast majority of theh cars for Evo's track times. No tricky race driver swapage here.

In regards to the comments on the car's that caught fire, etc. Please do remember that those were development cars, the Veyron caught fire enough times when it was in development, the difference was that Buggati wouldn't let anyone else drive it at that stage, Caparo would.

Its worth picking up a copy of Evo for Phil Bennett's comments on Clarkson's opinion of the car (understeered too much, unsafe, caught fire, etc). Rather telling of Clarkson's main body of experience being with road biased cars (Bennett basically says that Clarkson overdrove the car and then blamed it rather than himself).

Regards

Scaff

 

[Tornado]

But Top Gear is the last word on cars! How can that be possible??!!

 

[Scaff]

But Top Gear is the last word on cars! How can that be possible??!!

Do you know the number of people in the UK who actually think that's true is quite frankly scary.



Scaff

 

[homeforsummer]

Do you know the number of people in the UK who actually think that's true is quite frankly scary.

+1. And a few on this forum too...

Pretty impressive figures on the T1 then, my brother gets Evo so I'll have to borrow his copy and have a read.

 

[1X83Z]

But does it exist? They have articles from magazines on their website but there's nothing newer than 2006.

NEITHER car exists - neither car is in production. We hear a LOT about the Caparo T1, but it's not in production or for sale.

 

[daan]

NEITHER car exists - neither car is in production. We hear a LOT about the Caparo T1, but it's not in production or for sale.

The Caparo exists bacause I've seen it on the telly, and it has been driven by magazines. Does the Hulme F1 exist as a moving car?

I never mentioned and don't care about production of either at this point.

 

[Scaff]

NEITHER car exists - neither car is in production. We hear a LOT about the Caparo T1, but it's not in production or for sale.

Yes and no.

While no customer cars have been delivered, the car is most certainly for sale and road registered versions do exist. In the UK for a car to be road registered it needs to have production documentation (what is called a Certificate of Conformity) or to have undergone an SVA test.

The T1 in the Evo article is road registered, and as such could be legally sold to anyone they wished to. Feel free to try and argue specifics about that if you wish, but the simple point here is that at least one road legal T1 has been built and run, and should they wish to sell it to a private owner they would have no problem in doing so.


Regards

Scaff

 

[Milliethemutt]

You can see Evo driving it on the road in Wales here.

http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/supercarvideos/227889/caparo_t1.html

 

[1X83Z]

Yes and no.

While no customer cars have been delivered, the car is most certainly for sale and road registered versions do exist.

Find me a dealer which actually has a Caparo T1 sitting on the lot. You won't.

 

[Neal]

Video of Caparo T1 on road

The video can't be embeded so click on the link to view. I doubt this will be a sight many of us will see!

http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/supercarvideos/251032/caparo_t1_on_road.html

Caparo's Formula 1 car for the road, the mighty T1, faces its biggest challenge on video
Rain, traffic, Gatsos, police, speed humps and potholes… Caparo’s 575bhp F1-inspired T1 is the ultimate road-racer. But can it cope with the worst of Britain’s roads?

Read the full story and see all the pics in evo 144, on sale Weds April 28

 

[daan]

Is that being driven by a dalek?

 

[ExigeEvan]

That's impressive 👍

 

[Neal]

Is that being driven by a dalek?

The Caparo can't go up stairs either so you might be onto something there

 

[daan]

And it tried to exterminate Jason "baked" Potato. 💡

 

[Neal]

you win the bad pun competition.