Car of the Month October - Featuring the C5 Vette! Tunes and Reviews Wanted

Just a quick note about the transmission settings on my cars which I have listed here. If you happen to think that the gears are set too long, then they probably are. I set the gears up so all anyone has to do is adjust the final gear to suit the track they are on and the car will feel the same(ish) in acceleration terms on which ever track they take it too. I automatically assume that anyone who tests knows how to set a final gear to suit a track, if not, message me and ill help you out. All the cars in my garage (apart from specific seasonal tunes or FITT entries) are designed to be altered without messing up the overall feel of the car. Hopefully this makes sense if you decide to test drive one of my tunes. :)
 
I have built 2 Callaways, one at 500pp and one at 550pp. Should be up later today, should make for a good comparison with Shauns. The 500pp will work an easy win at the Season autumn Ring too.
 
So, has refered, before the build-off starts, i'll state here my choices to review on the lastest seasonals (Spa and AR):

@Bowtie-muscle:
@shaunm80:
I'll be doing each and leave review of one car on the 2 races. 👍 If time will allow, more cars maybe reviewed...
 
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So, has refered, before the build-off starts, i'll state here my choices to review on the lastest seasonals (Spa and AR):

@Bowtie-muscle:
  • 00' Z06 - 525PP - will test at AR and Spa (for spa will power limited to 500PP is allowed?)
  • 04' Z06 - 550PP - will test at AR
@shaunm80:
I'll be doing each and leave review of one car on the 2 races. 👍 If time will allow, more cars maybe reviewed...
Sounds perfect, Looking forward to it. Thank you in advance. :)
 
Just posted 2 more tunes in my garage.

Callaway C12 '03 500pp - Here - Tuned at Autumn Ring, not bad but slower than Shaun's '00 Z06 :grumpy:

Callaway C12 '03 550pp - Here - Tuned at Willow Springs since I have been spending so much time there.
Tour of America event at Willow is an easy win, 4 laps, 80k+.

Enjoy!
 
Just posted 2 more tunes in my garage.

Callaway C12 '03 500pp - Here - Tuned at Autumn Ring, not bad but slower than Shaun's '00 Z06 :grumpy:

Callaway C12 '03 550pp - Here - Tuned at Willow Springs since I have been spending so much time there.
Tour of America event at Willow is an easy win, 4 laps, 80k+.

Enjoy!
I shall give your C12 a go at some point tomorrow. Give it a go on the seasonal. I wouldn't worry that its slower than the z06, It is heavier somewhat so it does have a slight disadvantage.. How much slower was it compared to the Z06?
 
I shall give your C12 a go at some point tomorrow. Give it a go on the seasonal. I wouldn't worry that its slower than the z06, It is heavier somewhat so it does have a slight disadvantage.. How much slower was it compared to the Z06?
A second, heavier and the Z06 has better grip/weight distribution in my opinion.
 
Corvette Z06 (C5)'04 (SS) Review, by @Bowtie-muscle

Here goes my 1st review of 4. The lucky contender is the Z06'04, tuned by Bowtie-muscle, one of forgotten Chevrolet... As I stated, im not a fan of big texts and speeches, so my review will focus only in driving sensation and car response. I'll be honest in my review, so the "pros" and "cons" of the car will be presented and commented (hope you guys won't be mad at me... :nervous:)

So here it is:

The car:

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The car is exactly build has tune specs, color and rims. A funny fact until this review was that until now I had no road car Chevrolet in my GT6 garage, so this turned out to be a good chance to try them. After the tune is done, and because the seasonal at AR is only 500PP, I decided to take the car to my favourite test track, Silverstome GP, a blend of fast, slow corners with some great straights... After a 5 lap session...

Pros:
  • Good top speed - this won't be a problem, the "muscle" is ready to be used...
  • No understeer - The first thing i noticed on the very first corner of the track (a fast one)... The car did it fast and clean, just a little desacceleration to keep it all perfect...
  • Great gearbox ratios and response - like in the London seasonal with the NSX, the gearbox is awesome! It responds perfect to acc/braking input, keeping the car on the right rev and ready...
  • Counter steering - I usually do this, I miss the apex on a corner and then apply a hard counter steering to check the car response. Perfect!! No more words needed...
Cons: (sorryyy... :( )
  • Lack of rear aero - for me and my driving style the lack of rear aero option (NOT REAR WING!) is needed... It hurts the car performance and makes the rear unstable under heavy braking... As a consequence, the rotation is also affected...
  • LSD - acc. sensitivity may be a little high, I noticed a bit of wheelspin after some slow corners, causing some unwanted oversteer...
Best Lap - 2:08:832
Worst Lap - 2:09:299

ABS1
CSS7

A great car, fun to drive, either cruising or driving on the limit. 👍
 
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Corvette Z06 (C5)'04 (SS) Review, by @Bowtie-muscle

Here goes my 1st review of 4. The lucky contender is the Z06'04, tuned by Bowtie-muscle, one of forgotten Chevrolet... As I stated, im not a fan of big texts and speeches, so my review will focus only in driving sensation and car response. I'll be honest in my review, so the "pros" and "cons" of the car will be presented and commented (hope you guys won't be mad at me... :nervous:)

So here it is:

The car:

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The car is exactly build has tune specs, color and rims. A funny fact until this review was that until now I had no road car Chevrolet in my GT6 garage, so this turned out to be a good chance to try them. After the tune is done, and because the seasonal at AR is only 500PP, I decided to take the car to my favourite test track, Silverstome GP, a blend of fast, slow corners with some great straights... After a 5 lap session...

Pros:
  • Good top speed - this won't be a problem, the "muscle" is ready to be used...
  • No understeer - The first thing i noticed on the very first corner of the track (a fast one)... The car did it fast and clean, just a little desacceleration to keep it all perfect...
  • Great gearbox ratios and response - like in the London seasonal with the NSX, the gearbox is awesome! It responds perfect to acc/braking input, keeping the car on the right rev and ready...
  • Counter steering - I usually do this, I miss the apex on a corner and then apply a hard counter steering to check the car response. Perfect!! No more words needed...
Cons: (sorryyy... :( )
  • Lack of rear aero - for me and my driving style the lack of rear aero option (NOT REAR WING!) is needed... It hurts the car performance and makes the rear unstable under heavy braking... As a consequence, the rotation is also affected...
  • LSD - acc. sensitivity may be a little high, I noticed a bit of wheelspin after some slow corners, causing some unwanted oversteer...
Best Lap - 2:08:832
Worst Lap - 2:09:299

A great car, fun to drive, either cruising or driving on the limit. 👍
That is an excellent review Sir. Well Done:tup:.
I may have to revisit some of my older tunes, every one has a Pro and a Con, depending on the track tested. I always hope there is more Pros then Cons.
Do not apologize for any criticism, only makes me try harder to do better and ALL feedback is a plus. :)
 
Corvette Z06 (C5)'00 (SS) Review, by @shaunm80

So, 2nd review of 4 is here. To start a funny fact, despite this bad boy has the same name has the 1st car reviewed, a hiatus of 4 years separates them. The 2nd lucky contender is shaunm80, from Exeter Tuning, on my 2nd Chevrolet car in GT6 garage. As I stated, im not a fan of big texts and speeches, so my review will focus only in driving sensation and car response. I'll be honest in my review, so the "pros" and "cons" of the car will be presented and commented (hope you guys won't be mad at me... :nervous:)

So here it is:

The car:

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The car is exactly build has tune specs, but has there is no reference to rims, so I left it stock. After the tune is done, and because the seasonal at AR is only 500PP, I decided to take the car to my favourite test track, Silverstone GP, a blend of fast, slow corners with some great straights... After a 5 lap session...

Pros:
  • Good top speed - Despite having almost 100HP less, still very competitive and with "muscle"...
  • No oversteer in high gears - from 2nd foward the car is very stable...
  • Responsive gearbox - handles well the gear changes, but in comparison with Bowtie Z06 is less effective...
  • Counter steering - good, but less sharp then the 04 Z06...
Cons: (sorryyy... :( ):
  • Some understeer in fast corners - did the 1st one in Silverstone GP good, but the left went red and started to slip a bit...
  • Pushed to the limits - in this case the understeer is more present when pushing the car to a fastest lap...
Now, the big issue:

The main difference between this car and Bowtie's is, of course the camber. Has this one is 0/0 and Bowtie is 1.6/1.2, and despite PD saying its fixed, I can honestly say there is still a big difference. With 0/0 the car is more stable, has more grip and throttle can be pressed sooner... With 1.6/1.2, the car felt more nervous...

I believe the camber issue will always be a decision factor in terms of car stability...

Best Lap - 2:08:108
Worst Lap - 2:08:810

ABS1
CSS7

Overall, a great car, wins in stability (camber) and looses in understeer to Bowtie's Z06 '04...
 
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I'm off to buy the vette's and calaway's to review, just a small suggestion, it would be useful in the future ( next month ) if you could make a post with an index of the tunes submitted, would make it easier for people who want to make a review to find them, and not forget one. I also think it would be good to limit the number of tunes submitted, I think in the future there will be more tuners who will submit some, and if lets say 6 tuners submit 6 different tunings that makes 36 cars to test/buy and review. I'm not saying this to pull out the joy and energy you are putting in this, I just think that it may come to not being able to review all of them. I do hope that this catches on, it should be great fun. I'll start with the Z06 (C5) ''04, until I finish and post again take care and have a great day. :cheers:
 
@shaunm80

Forgot to mention, the car is painted in GT Military, the pics were taken before that... :P

:lol:

Tomorrow (or sooner if possible) the last 2 cars will be posted. Looking foward to test in the rain...
The military paint really does make the car better. It is like wearing a Harry Potter cloak of invisibility when you overtake them. They don't see you coming. :)
 
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I'm off to buy the vette's and calaway's to review, just a small suggestion, it would be useful in the future ( next month ) if you could make a post with an index of the tunes submitted, would make it easier for people who want to make a review to find them, and not forget one. I also think it would be good to limit the number of tunes submitted, I think in the future there will be more tuners who will submit some, and if lets say 6 tuners submit 6 different tunings that makes 36 cars to test/buy and review. I'm not saying this to pull out the joy and energy you are putting in this, I just think that it may come to not being able to review all of them. I do hope that this catches on, it should be great fun. I'll start with the Z06 (C5) ''04, until I finish and post again take care and have a great day. :cheers:
You are correct about indexing the tunes, I will fix it when I get a chance.

As for the size and number of tunes, just giving variety, not every tune needs to be reviewed but having the option is good. Next month will likely be a single car only. Thanks for jumping in and making a suggestion. :)
 
@Bowtie-muscle Corvette Z06 '04 550 SS
About me:
These are my impressions, opinions and also me driving, so take what you want and throw the rest in the garbage. The reason I do these reviews is that it helps me as tuner to get better by learning the things “to do” and the “not to do”.
I think that anyone who puts out a tune to be reviewed deserves that we be honest with them, it’s the only way that we can help them better themselves at this craft. I think that we all want to get better at this and that we can all use some help from one another to achieve our goals. If you find that I’m to harsh, please tell me.

About the Tests:
All my lap times are shown in total seconds per lap, I use this method because it’s easier to calculate averages and other things. I run 9 laps on a track and keep my best 3 to calculate the average. I do all the testing in the garage test tracks, track grip = low.


Apricot Hill
First impression starting off, first curve, car oversteers, not dramatically, but could be helped a little. The first 3 laps I pushed the car to its max and beyond to see what I could get away with. It’s relatively easy to correct your mistakes but it does lack direction, meaning because of weight transfer you have to ease up into curves or lose time in correcting your driving line. I’m not very comfortable with this track, so it’s hard to analyze properly.


Deep Forest
It took me seven laps to find the right lines with this car, a battle of oversteering, loosing control on bumps and traction spin off. ... but once you get it, it’s was really a blast :cool:, always on the border of chaos :scared:, knife between your teeth :eek: going as fast as you can through the curves/slopes/bumps of the woods. On this track the suspension does show some weaknesses, I can’t tell you (because I don’t know) if it’s the balance of the spring rates or the dampers ext/comp, or both, but the car has a tendency of wanting to kiss the trees as you enter the wooded area. (Maybe it belonged to lumber jack before.)

Tsukuba
On this track the MLSD shows some signs of needing a little more love, and yes again the suspension is guilty of not doing all it can to help this little monster eat up more seconds on the track.


General


Brakes:
This is just an idea, but maybe changing the brakes balance might help to alter the weight transfer on braking, Works good as is.👍

Power:
Never felt like I needed more, I’m not suicidal either.:lol:

MLSD:
Maybe a small revision would help the out of curve push.💡

Transmission:
Nothing to say but good job, this is just an observation from doing a few reviews of other tuners, but I rarely see tuners use another method of setting the transmission than using the flip method, I’ve tried a few other ways with some decent results, just wanted to know if you or any of the other tuners have tried alternate ways.👍

Suspension:
The achilles heel of this tune in my opinion of course. It does work ok, but what if you were able to bring it up a notch. ( not meaning the setting numbers):grumpy:


General:
I have a list of a few of the garages that I always wanted to go try there tunes but never found the time to, yours was on the list so this is great.
It may seem that from all the critics I make that I don’t like the car, But I did enjoy it quite a bit, I just wanted more. What I liked was the handling on medium and long curves, the feel of speed, and the overall handling. The things I didn’t like was the outside traction wheel spin you get that makes the front end change direction out of hairpin curves or sharp curves, and the way the suspension seems to not be totally in harmony between the front end and the rear, you sometimes get a sort of jerking motion that unbalances the car.
It took a while to get use to it, but then it always takes me a while to get use to most cars, the more powerful, the more time. I’m still mowing the lawn with my Toyota 7.

Finally I tried it in the International B - Tour Of America - Willow Springs race. It handles very differently than on the test tracks, if someone uses this for these types of races they will rave about it. ( ya, I won much to easily, recouped 89000 credits to bring me back over the 46 000 000 credits, so I’ll be able to sleep now.:crazy:)

STATS:
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@Bowtie-muscle
About me:
These are my impressions, opinions and also me driving, so take what you want and throw the rest in the garbage. The reason I do these reviews is that it helps me as tuner to get better by learning the things “to do” and the “not to do”.
I think that anyone who puts out a tune to be reviewed deserves that we be honest with them, it’s the only way that we can help them better themselves at this craft. I think that we all want to get better at this and that we can all use some help from one another to achieve our goals. If you find that I’m to harsh, please tell me.

About the Tests:
All my lap times are shown in total seconds per lap, I use this method because it’s easier to calculate averages and other things. I run 9 laps on a track and keep my best 3 to calculate the average. I do all the testing in the garage test tracks, track grip = low.


Apricot Hill
First impression starting off, first curve, car oversteers, not dramatically, but could be helped a little. The first 3 laps I pushed the car to its max and beyond to see what I could get away with. It’s relatively easy to correct your mistakes but it does lack direction, meaning because of weight transfer you have to ease up into curves or lose time in correcting your driving line. I’m not very comfortable with this track, so it’s hard to analyze properly.


Deep Forest
It took me seven laps to find the right lines with this car, a battle of oversteering, loosing control on bumps and traction spin off. ... but once you get it, it’s was really a blast :cool:, always on the border of chaos :scared:, knife between your teeth :eek: going as fast as you can through the curves/slopes/bumps of the woods. On this track the suspension does show some weaknesses, I can’t tell you (because I don’t know) if it’s the balance of the spring rates or the dampers ext/comp, or both, but the car has a tendency of wanting to kiss the trees as you enter the wooded area. (Maybe it belonged to lumber jack before.)

Tsukuba
On this track the MLSD shows some signs of needing a little more love, and yes again the suspension is guilty of not doing all it can to help this little monster eat up more seconds on the track.


General


Brakes:
This is just an idea, but maybe changing the brakes balance might help to alter the weight transfer on braking, Works good as is.👍

Power:
Never felt like I needed more, I’m not suicidal either.:lol:

MLSD:
Maybe a small revision would help the out of curve push.💡

Transmission:
Nothing to say but good job, this is just an observation from doing a few reviews of other tuners, but I rarely see tuners use another method of setting the transmission than using the flip method, I’ve tried a few other ways with some decent results, just wanted to know if you or any of the other tuners have tried alternate ways.👍

Suspension:
The achilles heel of this tune in my opinion of course. It does work ok, but what if you were able to bring it up a notch. ( not meaning the setting numbers):grumpy:


General:
I have a list of a few of the garages that I always wanted to go try there tunes but never found the time to, yours was on the list so this is great.
It may seem that from all the critics I make that I don’t like the car, But I did enjoy it quite a bit, I just wanted more. What I liked was the handling on medium and long curves, the feel of speed, and the overall handling. The things I didn’t like was the outside traction wheel spin you get that makes the front end change direction out of hairpin curves or sharp curves, and the way the suspension seems to not be totally in harmony between the front end and the rear, you sometimes get a sort of jerking motion that unbalances the car.
It took a while to get use to it, but then it always takes me a while to get use to most cars, the more powerful, the more time. I’m still mowing the lawn with my Toyota 7.

Finally I tried it in the International B - Tour Of America - Willow Springs race. It handles very differently than on the test tracks, if someone uses this for these types of races they will rave about it. ( ya, I won much to easily, recouped 89000 credits to bring me back over the 46 000 000 credits, so I’ll be able to sleep now.:crazy:)

STATS:
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Wow, that was a thorough review, thank you! I really need to get back to work on this tune:ouch:

Nice to see you reviewing, all feedback is a plus, I will try and learn from it.:cheers:
 
@TurnLeft I have taken post #7, where I had my Corvette tunes listed and added all the others. Next time I will do a better job with an index. Let me know what you think and thanks for the suggestion.

Should I index the reviews as well?
 
@TurnLeft I have taken post #7, where I had my Corvette tunes listed and added all the others. Next time I will do a better job with an index. Let me know what you think and thanks for the suggestion.

Should I index the reviews as well?
Thanks, it should help people to find them. As for indexing the reviews that's a good idea, hadn't thought about that, but then more people may read my reviews, don't know if I like that much attention :scared:.
Before you go mad and change your tune I'd like to share a little lesson I got from testing and reviewing one of Ridox2JZGTE tunes. It was the NSX '92, I rebuilt it from scratch testing every component, adding them one at a time, finishing with the suspension. After I put on the MLSD setting I wasn't getting the kind of results you get by adding this part, I tried some alternate settings which made it better, than put back his setting to keep testing. After I put on the suspension setting the wheel spin was almost all corrected. I learnt that everything affects everything, so even though the suspension has no direct effect on the MLSD, they both have an effect on the wheels/tires, thus making it sometimes hard to know who is guilty of what. I remember tuning the G37 for a Time trial a way back, one of the leaders, doodlemonopoly shared his tune, I tried it and found that I wasn't any faster than with mine, his was a little looser, needed more throttle control and was more sensitive to abrupt changes, with the tune I made which had more grip I doubt that he could have equalled those top times he'd done, short story long I changed a few things and the car became a little looser, ( by looser I mean it's not like I on a rail track) ended up by gaining a few positions and finally ended 3648 position, so if your lap times are better than mine don't change a thing unless you have the same feeling about the tune that I have, I have as much to learn about being a better tuner myself as I have to be a better driver.
Since this is not a competition it could be fun and enlightening (don't you hate it when you type a word and it underlines red and you have to google the word to know how to spell it) if we all shared our point of views, not just the one who does the review but also the person who does the tune, ex., Reviewer Says: I think your suspension is not working properly, than he gives what direction to corrected and the reason he/she believes that it would help, Tuner Says,: just tried that, but also tried another thing which seems to work equally and explains why he/she tried that.
Like I said, just making a short story long. I've purposefully tagged Ridox because I think he should submit one here, while I'm at it @DolHaus, you should have one already made for this too, would be fun having both of you aboard too.
Good day to you Muscle-bowtie, and keep up the great work.👍👍👍
 
Thanks, it should help people to find them. As for indexing the reviews that's a good idea, hadn't thought about that, but then more people may read my reviews, don't know if I like that much attention :scared:.
Before you go mad and change your tune I'd like to share a little lesson I got from testing and reviewing one of Ridox2JZGTE tunes. It was the NSX '92, I rebuilt it from scratch testing every component, adding them one at a time, finishing with the suspension. After I put on the MLSD setting I wasn't getting the kind of results you get by adding this part, I tried some alternate settings which made it better, than put back his setting to keep testing. After I put on the suspension setting the wheel spin was almost all corrected. I learnt that everything affects everything, so even though the suspension has no direct effect on the MLSD, they both have an effect on the wheels/tires, thus making it sometimes hard to know who is guilty of what. I remember tuning the G37 for a Time trial a way back, one of the leaders, doodlemonopoly shared his tune, I tried it and found that I wasn't any faster than with mine, his was a little looser, needed more throttle control and was more sensitive to abrupt changes, with the tune I made which had more grip I doubt that he could have equalled those top times he'd done, short story long I changed a few things and the car became a little looser, ( by looser I mean it's not like I on a rail track) ended up by gaining a few positions and finally ended 3648 position, so if your lap times are better than mine don't change a thing unless you have the same feeling about the tune that I have, I have as much to learn about being a better tuner myself as I have to be a better driver.
Since this is not a competition it could be fun and enlightening (don't you hate it when you type a word and it underlines red and you have to google the word to know how to spell it) if we all shared our point of views, not just the one who does the review but also the person who does the tune, ex., Reviewer Says: I think your suspension is not working properly, than he gives what direction to corrected and the reason he/she believes that it would help, Tuner Says,: just tried that, but also tried another thing which seems to work equally and explains why he/she tried that.
Like I said, just making a short story long. I've purposefully tagged Ridox because I think he should submit one here, while I'm at it @DolHaus, you should have one already made for this too, would be fun having both of you aboard too.
Good day to you Muscle-bowtie, and keep up the great work.👍👍👍

Working on a set of parameter ( replicas ) often shows a car unique traits ( handling, grip balance, speed and little quirks ). I often found applying real life parameter yields realistic result, but also requires a lot of fine tuning to get it right ( everything must work in harmony, especially LSD and suspension ) and most of the time is not really perfect + harder to drive.

One of the hardest to work in GT6 is RR cars, I have a few placeholders :sly: on my garage, one of them is Porsche 996 GT4 replica, I used 39/61 weight distribution, high lock LSD ( Paul Guard 2 Way 50/80 ) and similar spring rate ratio + alignment to real life 996 GT3 Cup / GT4 racing/track spec, it was hell to tune and test. I spent over 100km driving just to get a base line setup.

After having so many feedback/reviews, I would also say that driving style plays a huge role in having a car that drives well or not in someone's hand. Someone who likes loose car will be :grumpy: with understeer/tight car, this is bad news for my FF/AWD replicas :lol: Sometimes people expected this car "xxx" should be neutral like most review from magazine says, but do the magazine drove the car to it's very limits and often go over it ( late braking ) ?

Audi R8 GT is a fine example, a pro driver ( Randy Pobst ) says it's understeer city when he drive/pushed it at the track, but there are reviews that says the car has tendency to oversteer and not prone to understeer. Obviously in GT6, most wanted loose AWD car :P

Deciding on what sort of car to build is one of the key if it will be success for it's intended target user/drivers, lucky for me, replica do not have such requirements, it only needs the real car as target.

I will post a C5 Z06 replica on my garage, it has a placeholder for now :P. Will post it here too, if anyone wanted some realistic driving experience ( stock C5 Z06 with stock factory tire - Eagle F1 SuperCar )

EDIT - C5 Z06 has been posted on my garage, will post it here as well.
 
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Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Replica
Tuned to replicate Corvette C5 Z06
Andy Pilgrim World Record at Willow Springs International Raceway
Comfort Medium / Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperCar




CAR : Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '04
Tire : Comfort Medium


Specs - Full Running Weight
Horsepower: 405 HP at 6000 RPM
Torque : 399.9 ft-lb at 4500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 99.9%
Weight: 1474 kg
Ballast : 60 kg
Ballast Position : -12
Weight Distribution : 53 / 47 - as in real life spec ( 53.5 / 46.5 C&D Test )
Performance Points: 502


Specs - Car & Driver Test Curb Weight
Horsepower: 405 HP at 600 RPM
Torque : 399.9 ft-lb at 4500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 99.9%
Weight: 1418 kg
Ballast : 4 kg
Ballast Position : -4
Weight Distribution : 53 / 47 - as in real life spec ( 53.5 / 46.5 C&D Test )
Performance Points: 505


GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED IN THIS BUILD )
Rear Wing : Custom Wing Type A ( OPTIONAL ) - INSTALLED.
Wheels : Standard or RAYS GTS
Car Paint : Torch Red or Black or Millennium Yellow or Bordeaux Red Pearl




Tuning Parts Installed :
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension


Suspension - FE-4 C5 Z06 Corvette Suspension Package 525/714
C&D Test Ride Height
Personal Alignment

Front, Rear

Ride Height: 99 99
Spring Rate: 9.38 12.75
Dampers (Compression): 5 3
Dampers (Extension): 5 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 6 5
Camber Angle: 0.8 0.8 ( Front Camber : 0.70 +- 0.50 / Rear Camber : 0.68 +- 0.50 )
Toe Angle: 0.13 0.03 ( Toe In Front : 0.08 +- 0.20 / Toe In Rear : 0.02 +- 0.20 )


Alternative Stock Delivered C5 Z06 Alignment ( 2001 Spec )
Factory Setup more towards understeer

Camber Angle: 0.8 0.3 / 0.8 0.8 ( Most have 0.75 front and rear )
Toe Angle: 0.30 0.10

Alternative Street/Track Alignment
Camber Angle: 1.0 0.8
Toe Angle: 0.06 0.01

Alternative Aggressive Track Alignment
Camber Angle: 1.5 1.1
Toe Angle: -0.02 0.01


LSD - C5 Z06 GU6 LSD
Initial Torque : 18
Acceleration Sensitivity: 30
Braking Sensitivity: 13


AERO
Rear : 20 ( Max )



Brake Balance:
4/5 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 3/4, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance. I recommend to run 1 click higher at the rear.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 4/5 brake balance as starting point. Go higher if preferred, 5/6 for example.

Notes :

The C5 Corvette was one those cars that never gets old to look at :P I love the shape from the side, the curve of the hood, the short tailed rear end, the C5 just shows what a sexy woman can be in the form of a car :D

This replica is a stock car complete with stock tires replicated.

The power of the C5 Z06 was originally 385 HP when it was 1st released in 2001. Then the car went some changes from 2002 model year, the LS6 engine was upgraded and it grows in power to 405HP with 400lb ft torque, a good increase that also paired with lower weight than the base C5. The test curb weight of the car during Car & Driver Test was 1418kg, this will be optional. I used the heaviest running order weight at 1474kg, about 3250lbs. Weight distribution is at 53.5 / 46.5 as tested by C&D, this is reflected in ballast position.

Suspension for C5 Z06 comes in FE4 Package, different than the FE3 Sports Suspension which was available for Z51 C5. The front transverse composite leaf spring is 525 lb/in in rate, similar to FE3 Z51. The rear transverse composite leaf spring is 714 lb/in, stiffer than the FE3 Z51 rate at 634 lb/in. The Damper and ARB has been setup to give neutral balance, with FE4 Sway Bars Package taken into consideration ( 31mm / 23.6mm ). My personal alignment is used, using the factory range as a base. I provided additional alignment setup, feel free to try them.

The C5 Z06 comes with limited slip differential ( GU6 ), I have used some preload and medium lock to simulate the LSD, this gives much needed traction and stability around Willow Springs ( Big Willow ).

The rear wing is optional, feel free to install it. I simply like the look of it.

The C5 Z06 was tested and tuned at Tsukuba, Silverstone GP, Willow Springs ( Big Willow and Streets ), Red Bull Ring and Laguna Seca. The main aim in this replica is to replicate the lap time at Big Willow that was done on stock factory tire - Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar. This is comfort medium in GT6 :P The lap time was 1:30.6s on 4th lap by the legendary Corvette Race Driver, Andy Pilgrim. He also fitted Goodyear’s DOT-approved “S” compound version of the F1 and posted 1:28.3s on 3rd hotlap ( feel free to try replicate the time using comfort soft )

The real life race car driver of the C5-R Vette ( Andy Pilgrim ) pulled the magical lap on stock Z06 C5 on 4th lap with OEM Eagle F1 tire to prove his point to a motorcycle magazine that pitted the Z06 C5 against Suzuki GXR1000 - both were tested by Kevin Schwantz - a main feature article of the mag. The test run were heavily biased in favor of the bike and the Z06 C5 was driven with TC Competitive Mode enabled. The magical lap was close to 4 second quicker than the Schwantz manage to pull off. I managed to replicate the magic lap with the replica :P I think I had some slow section ( 2 corners were hairy :lol: ) that could shaved another tenths or two at the very least.

Here is a quote from the letter sent by Andy Pilgrim to the Editor of the Magazine in 2003 :

"To the Editor:
I’m writing this on behalf of the Corvette owners and other sports car enthusiasts who encouraged me along this path. A few months ago I read an article in Motorcyclist magazine. The cover story was a track evaluation of a Corvette Z06 and a Suzuki GSX-R1000 with ex-500cc World Champion motorcycle racer Kevin Schwantz as the dedicated tester of both vehicles. I thought it was a very interesting concept for an article. After I read it, however, I had one major issue: I felt that the lap times for the Corvette were not where they should be and showed the Corvette in a really bad light. This opinion was based on my own experience with the Corvette Z06 and my testing of numerous cars at Willow Springs (the test track), even though the last time I was there was at least four years ago.
I received several e-mails from people who had read the article and wanted to know what I thought about it. Without exception, after I gave them my opinion, they suggested I go to Willow Springs with a Corvette Z06 and run it, to prove something one way or another. One of the guys I discussed the article with was Joe Policastro, owner of Grabiak Chevrolet in New Alexandria, PA. Joe not only suggested going to Willow Springs, but also put up the money and rent Willow Springs for a few hours just to set the record straight. Grabiak Chevrolet sells a lot of Corvettes and Joe definitely took it personally after having to defend the Corvette to some of his customers after they questioned him about the article.
The biggest issue I had with the article was the difference in best Willow Springs lap times between the Corvette and the Suzuki. Kevin managed a best lap in the Corvette of 1m 34.2sec and a best on the Suzuki of a 1m 26.6sec, a huge gap of 7.6 seconds. The major point of the article seemed to be illustrating how areas the bike was better than the car virtually everywhere around the circuit. They even used “Smackdown!” as the article title. But as a current professional car racer, ex-motorcycle racer and current street motorcycle rider, I felt this was unfair to the Corvette and to sports cars in general.
For our Willow test we managed to get the use of a totally stock Z06 with 1,500 miles on it. Ex-Toyota race ace Dennis Aase is a buddy of Joe’s and provided us with some of his crew to change tires in the August desert heat – much appreciated. For the first test runs I used the Z06’s standard Goodyear F1 tire. My best time was 1m 30.6sec lap on my fourth hot lap. I then fitted Goodyear’s DOT-approved “S” compound version of the F1 and we ran 1m 28.3sec lap on the third hot lap, just 1.7sec slower than the Suzuki and 5.9sec quicker than Motorcyclist’s time for the Corvette.
Incidentally, we used the “S” compound Goodyear F1 to compliment the Motorcyclist test, as the magazine had used an “S” compound Michelin on the Suzuki for their fastest laps. Motorcyclist also used Pi Research data to overlay the bike time with the car time and according to the times the car looked slow everywhere. With my lap time for the Corvette reasonably close to the Suzuki, and the acknowledging the superiority of the bike on the straights, I think the car would probably actually show quicker than the bike through most of the corners.
In the end we achieved our objective, which was to satisfy ourselves that the Corvette is a much more competitive machine than the article showed – even when compared to the top sports motorcycle in the world.
Finally, I would like to add that I have nothing but respect for Kevin Schwantz. The guy is still, I’m sure, a bullet-fast motorcycle rider and an accomplished car racer. I think he was handicapped in the Corvette for a couple of reasons. Firstly, he used the traction control. Even in Competition mode it can slow you down when getting really serious. Secondly, Motorcyclist put a different manufacturer’s tire on the car; they were not the OE tire and may not have been a good match for the Corvette.
In case you’re interested we have photos and data to confirm what we did at Willow Springs. The Corvette Z06 is an amazing car and deserves a better representation than Motorcyclist gave it. I think the record just needed to be straightened, for Corvette and for the many sports-car enthusiasts who shared with me their strong feelings about the article.

Andy Pilgrim
Corvette fan, motorcycle fan and Corvette C5-R team driver"

I have included the replay of the "magical" Lap at 1:30.6s ( Big Willow ) on CM tire + full running weight + personal alignment setup. Watch it and Enjoy :cheers:



ENJOY :cheers:



ANDY PILGRIM :

Second from the left below, at ROLEX Daytona 24H, on the far right, the legendary Dale Earnhardt, 2 weeks before his passing, RIP.

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Andy with his Speed World Challenge Cadillac CTS V and the hot Holly Sonders :P

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Corvette Z06 (C5)'00 (SS) Review, by @Bowtie-muscle

So, 3rd review of 4 is here. The 3nd lucky contender is Bowtie-muscle, on my 2nd Chevrolet Z06 '00 car in GT6 garage. As I stated, im not a fan of big texts and speeches, so my review will focus only in driving sensation and car response. I'll be honest in my review, so the "pros" and "cons" of the car will be presented and commented (hope you guys won't be mad at me... :nervous:)

So here it is:

The car:

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The car is exactly build has tune specs, including rims and paint. After the tune is done, and because the seasonal at AR is only 500PP, I decided to take the car to my favourite test track, Silverstone GP, a blend of fast, slow corners with some great straights... After a 5 lap session...

Pros:
  • No understeer - The first thing i noticed on the very first corner of the track (a fast one)... The car did it fast and clean, just a little desacceleration to keep it all perfect...
  • No Oversteer - absolutely none! Seems like the car was on tracks, I throw everything at it and the deal with it!
  • Great gearbox ratios and response - the gearbox is awesome! It responds perfect to acc/braking input, keeping the car on the right rev and ready...C
  • Counter steering - I usually do this, I miss the apex on a corner and then apply a hard counter steering to check the car response. Perfect!! No more words needed...
  • Good top speed - maybe a Supercharger would even do a greater car!
  • No sliding - the tyres rarely went red...
Cons: (sorryyy... :( )

NOT!!! Ok, maybe a Supercharger...

Its true! I loved this car! I did everything to it and he responded: "Is the best you can do!? Ah!" Ah!

Best Lap - 2:09:997
Worst Lap - 2:12:584

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CSS7

A wonderful car! Its a shame the seasonal (American cars) is only 500PP, I believe it would smash any competition!!Kill_it_with_fire.gif

Would be great if that Bowtie made a 500PP version of this one... 👍
 
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Corvette Z06 (C5)'00 (SS) Review, by @Bowtie-muscle

So, 3rd review of 4 is here. The 3nd lucky contender is Bowtie-muscle, on my 2nd Chevrolet Z06 '00 car in GT6 garage. As I stated, im not a fan of big texts and speeches, so my review will focus only in driving sensation and car response. I'll be honest in my review, so the "pros" and "cons" of the car will be presented and commented (hope you guys won't be mad at me... :nervous:)

So here it is:

The car:

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The car is exactly build has tune specs, including rims and paint. After the tune is done, and because the seasonal at AR is only 500PP, I decided to take the car to my favourite test track, Silverstone GP, a blend of fast, slow corners with some great straights... After a 5 lap session...

Pros:
  • No understeer - The first thing i noticed on the very first corner of the track (a fast one)... The car did it fast and clean, just a little desacceleration to keep it all perfect...
  • No Oversteer - absolutely none! Seems like the car was on tracks, I throw everything at it and the deal with it!
  • Great gearbox ratios and response - the gearbox is awesome! It responds perfect to acc/braking input, keeping the car on the right rev and ready...C
  • Counter steering - I usually do this, I miss the apex on a corner and then apply a hard counter steering to check the car response. Perfect!! No more words needed...
  • Good top speed - maybe a Supercharger would even do a greater car!
  • No sliding - the tyres rarely went red...
Cons: (sorryyy... :( )

NOT!!! Ok, maybe a Supercharger...

Its true! I loved this car! I did everything to it and he responded: "Is the best you can do!? Ah!" Ah!

Best Lap - 2:09:997
Worst Lap - 2:12:584

ABS1
CSS7

A wonderful car! Its a shame the seasonal (American cars) is only 500PP, I believe it would smash any competition!!View attachment 235663
Thank you for being kind, better than the '04?
 
@cbarbosa - The gearing for the 500PP tune you are doing for me is set perfectly for Spa (rain masters) but will need sliding back a little for AR. I can't remember the figure I use on my tune for AR but I think it was 0.150 or 0.200 less than the figure used in the specified tune. I think that if you use the tune as it is for both, you will use 6th gear for about 1 second of every lap... It doesn't affect the overall feel in my opinion but just incase you wanted to use 6th gear a little more on the straights I thought id let you know. :)
 
Thank you for being kind, better than the '04?

Not being kind sir, I really enjoyed this car! :) Saying "much better" may sound exagerated, but totally different, yes! Maybe its related to camber, the 04 has it, this one is 0/0...

@cbarbosa - The gearing for the 500PP tune you are doing for me is set perfectly for Spa (rain masters) but will need sliding back a little for AR. I can't remember the figure I use on my tune for AR but I think it was 0.150 or 0.200 less than the figure used in the specified tune. I think that if you use the tune as it is for both, you will use 6th gear for about 1 second of every lap... It doesn't affect the overall feel in my opinion but just incase you wanted to use 6th gear a little more on the straights I thought id let you know. :)

TY sir! :) I'll do AR first to see how it behaves...
 
Not being kind sir, I really enjoyed this car! :) Saying "much better" may sound exagerated, but totally different, yes! Maybe its related to camber, the 04 has it, this one is 0/0...



TY sir! :) I'll do AR first to see how it behaves...
Camber at 0.0 on the '04 may improve the tune, I was finding it helped after 1.09 but now am pretty much back to 0.0 camber. I am finding rear camber on FR cars causing too much rear slide on exit.
:banghead::banghead:So many tunes to revisit.
 
Camber at 0.0 on the '04 may improve the tune, I was finding it helped after 1.09 but now am pretty much back to 0.0 camber. I am finding rear camber on FR cars causing too much rear slide on exit.
:banghead::banghead:So many tunes to revisit.

Im building/reviewing the last car (@shaunm80 500PP 00'Z06 for Spa and AR) right now. After its done, i'll get the '04 again and change the camber to 0/0 and do a few laps at Silverstone GP...

Then i´ll let you know if it improves or not the car... 👍
 
@cbarbosa - The gearing for the 500PP tune you are doing for me is set perfectly for Spa (rain masters) but will need sliding back a little for AR. I can't remember the figure I use on my tune for AR but I think it was 0.150 or 0.200 less than the figure used in the specified tune. I think that if you use the tune as it is for both, you will use 6th gear for about 1 second of every lap... It doesn't affect the overall feel in my opinion but just incase you wanted to use 6th gear a little more on the straights I thought id let you know. :)

Before review, Final Gear to 3.100 (tune 2.900) - gear ratios much closer, gearbox much responsive and quicker... will review on this value... 👍
 
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