China's new stealth fighter jet
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thats a very interesting shape, front half looks very F-22 shape as do the wings the rudders look F-18 shape and the rear looks 14 shaped, i know there are MIG equivillents but i cant think of the names or numbers.
Any names or stats?
Any names or stats?
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Who's gonna fly it for them? Russia again?
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It's number is the J20. It was seen doing a high speed taxi test, a stage just before flight tests. The US navy response has been dismissive (keeping the American public calm?) by saying the prototype jet is years away from being fielded by China. Which could be true, but why say it unless if was a significant development stage for the Chinese military. Some people have question the US's decision to cap the numbers of the F22 Raptor stealth fighter jet, but i suppose they can easily just decide to make more. Depends how much money is available.
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"Gareth Jennings, aviation desk editor at Jane's Defence Weekly. "It's pretty far down the line," says Jennings of the J-20's development, adding that flight testing could begin in a few weeks.
China's stealth fighter appears to have "the potential to be a competitor with the F-22 (Raptor) and to be decisively superior to the F-35," according to Richard Fisher, a Chinese military expert with the International Strategy and Assessment Center in Washington. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the designated replacement for the Raptor, has had its troubles. The general in charge of the program was fired amid concerns of spiraling costs and program delays.
It was felt we couldn't afford both an F-22 dedicated to air superiority and the F-35, even though the latter is vastly inferior in air-to-air combat and ground defense penetration. The Raptor is perhaps the only plane that could evade sophisticated surface-to-air missile defense systems such as Russia's S-300 and S-400.
"Only the F-22 can survive in airspace defended by increasingly capable surface-to-air missiles," declares Air Force Association President Mike Dunn. The F-22 can fly 300 to 400 mph faster and two miles higher than the F-35. The F-35 is cheaper, but you get what you pay for. And it's still under development. The F-22 is operational now, when we need it."
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It looks like an SU-47 Berkut. So it's China and Russia together again. Although I can't tell if it has the reverse wings.
su-47 Berkut by revolver.ru, on Flickr
su-47 Berkut by revolver.ru, on Flickr
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Delta wing and canards. Somehow looks like Sukhoi/MiG PAK-FA projects. Doesn't look like that it would have thrust vectoring though..
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Looks weird.
Saw an F-22 at an airshow in late summer '10. It was very impressive, could not believe the slow speed maneuverability of it. Basically going no where creeping down the beach with the nose pointed very high. The acrobatic planes were doing the same stuff pretty much, just not as cool.
This does not look as well developed as the F-22. No thrust vectoring? Looks stealthy before you see the rear. Who knows what it will become.
Also, it reminds me of the YF-23 that the raptor won out over. The more angled vertical stabilizers. Although, they all kind of look the same...
Saw an F-22 at an airshow in late summer '10. It was very impressive, could not believe the slow speed maneuverability of it. Basically going no where creeping down the beach with the nose pointed very high. The acrobatic planes were doing the same stuff pretty much, just not as cool.
This does not look as well developed as the F-22. No thrust vectoring? Looks stealthy before you see the rear. Who knows what it will become.
Also, it reminds me of the YF-23 that the raptor won out over. The more angled vertical stabilizers. Although, they all kind of look the same...
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That's what I was thinking. It almost looks like an SU-47 reskinned with an F-22 likeness.It looks like an SU-47 Berkut. So it's China and Russia together again. Although I can't tell if it has the reverse wings.
su-47 Berkut by revolver.ru, on Flickr
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From reports I've seen the J-XX is based on an earlier MiG design/airframe. Still though given China's technological capability when it come to military hardware I would say the J-XX is at least 10 years behind F-22. Still though it quite a mystery as to why China opted for this instead of the PAK-FA which is somewhat closer the F-22/F-35.
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Which will more than likely get shot down. The size of this thing & being marked as a "stealth" fighter seems rather silly. It apparently, from what I've heard will require new weapons tech. for compatibility reasons whilst the USAF's current planes can backwards compatible with previously made tech.
This honestly looks like an easy picking for the F22's stationed in Alaska.
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The F-22 is faster, more agile, stealthier; a dedicated air dominance fighter. It's not obsolete, or even close to it.
There is literally no info on the J-20, so there isn't much to say about it. The stealth depends not only on shape, but on materials and structure. The flight performance isn't up to the aerodynamics alone, but also the weight, balance, and engines.
Not a big deal. Even if it's large, that wouldn't stop it from supercruising, and it could still have decent supersonic turn rates, which are probably more important than the typical "airshow" maneuvers that many think of when the topic of fighter agility is brought up.
Thrust vectoring doesn't make a plane turn any tighter. It helps to lower trim drag and increases instantaneous pitch/roll/yaw rates and allows supermaneuverability. The trig drag issue is probably the biggest benefit, though non thrust vectoring fighters are by no means slow (EF-2000).
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A thrust vectoring nozzle doesn't help with that though. You need a Low Observable nozzle. They can be round, as on the F-35.
And the IR missile is less of a threat than the IRST (Infra Red Search and Track), which is what you are really trying to hide from with LO nozzles. Missile sensors are very often small, fragile, and limited in capability.
And the IR missile is less of a threat than the IRST (Infra Red Search and Track), which is what you are really trying to hide from with LO nozzles. Missile sensors are very often small, fragile, and limited in capability.
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Well,the plane doesn't look bad, but I get the feeling an F-22 could literally fly rings around it. I'd use it as a bomber, but definitely not an air superiority fighter.
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Agility still matters. The higher/faster you fly, the more kinetic energy (range and maneuverability) you transfer to the missile. This is why supercruise is so popular now.
Maneuverability is also good for avoiding missiles. Not just dodging them, but preventing a launch in the first place. A supercruising target requires much more energy to hit, so the missile will need to be fired at a closer range in order to stand a chance. If the target can also maneuver while supercruising, and the attack can't even maintain supersonic flight, it will be a one sided battle.
Though if by acrobatic ability, you mean what you see in an airshow, then yeah that has nothing to do with air combat really.
Maneuverability is also good for avoiding missiles. Not just dodging them, but preventing a launch in the first place. A supercruising target requires much more energy to hit, so the missile will need to be fired at a closer range in order to stand a chance. If the target can also maneuver while supercruising, and the attack can't even maintain supersonic flight, it will be a one sided battle.
Though if by acrobatic ability, you mean what you see in an airshow, then yeah that has nothing to do with air combat really.
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It's hard to just look at a plane and be able to decide what it's capabilities are, I wouldn't read much into it.
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My point based on superiority has a factor of how many aircraft China could field. Lets say the F22 or F35 will always win 1v1 , this doesn't matter in a numbers game. If you have 2 F22's against 4 J20's the odds are on the J20 to come out on top, or at least an equal defensive strategic position. And considering China want it to use to protect its interests near it's shores it has most of it's fleet at hand when America would have what it can provide from carriers or from far away land bases which would restrict it's numbers. I think the fuel costs of patrolling/scrambling twice as many jets is not too much of a negative.
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Eh. It just looks big and cumbersome, that's all.
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remember this is just a prototype, it hasn't even lifted off the black stuff yet. Just imagine the prototype cars seen frequently at the ring with cars going around with matt black paint jobs disguising differant aero features and locations. i personally feel that although the shape is similar the fact that it dosn't have vectored thrust, or smaller nozzles etc can just be there to allow it to complete the taxi runs.
