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[joeyv]

Thanks for the good advice guys. And I think you are all right. I have to start all over or sell the wheel ... It is so much harder even then a real car. And what to do to correct the car when you slide? I mean as soon as I hear a little tire noise it is all over and I crasch and have to wait till my wheel stops flipping around and the car completely stops.
What are the best beginner steering wheel settings? Sensitivity 1, Torque 1 etc? Also I got the gass on the right pedal and the brake in the middle. And still on automatic. I want to switch to manual but at this moment the game simply would become impossible to play. Again thx for all help guys. Really appreciate it

Because they increase what you earn in arcade mode?

Sorry and yes I wanted to get some big rewards too without grinding for decades on le mans or sardegna. If you complete the circuit experiences the rewards arz much higher.

 

[330_D]

Thanks for the good advice guys. And I think you are all right. I have to start all over or sell the wheel ... It is so much harder even then a real car. And what to do to correct the car when you slide? I mean as soon as I hear a little tire noise it is all over and I crasch and have to wait till my wheel stops flipping around and the car completely stops.
What are the best beginner steering wheel settings? Sensitivity 1, Torque 1 etc? Again thx for all help

It's not harder than a real car, there are just zero consequences so you push way way way harder with a game than you ever would in a real car. There are certain things that are more difficult than real cars but honestly if you spend enough time really practicing to get better it'll come to you.

 

[watto79]

It is so much harder even then a real car.

It's not comparable. In a game you're using 100% throttle, 100% brakes and aggressive steering inputs, none of which you do in a real car (or in very rare circumstances anyway).

And what to do to correct the car when you slide

This is something that pad players have an advantage with, and it just comes with practise. I remember the transition from pad to wheel was pretty brutal in this respect and was spinning out all over the place at first. I went back to the pad and couldn't make the car react in the same way even when trying to. With time you realise when the car is losing grip, and essentially you have to come off the gas and counter steer (quickly).

Practise with lower power cars first and the feeling will definitely come.

 

[joeyv]

It's not harder than a real car, there are just zero consequences so you push way way way harder with a game than you ever would in a real car. There are certain things that are more difficult than real cars but honestly if you spend enough time really practicing to get better it'll come to you.

I hope so but I drive all sorts of cars for 30 years and I can honestly say the game is at least 10 times harder to steer. Try to drive with one hand for example. In a real car I think I almost never use two hands, even with sharp turns. And if you slide you can always correct a real car with the brakes and gas or handbrake off course but in the game you have to let go of the wheel or it feels like it will brake my wrist. But I will not give up and keep on practising. Another small thing is the size of the wheel. If you want to completely turn the wheel when you look at the settings you have to turn the wheel over almost two times ... I tried monza and the first right-left corner I simply can not take ... I will follow your advice and try the licenses but as for now only frustration left in this game but the FFB is nice off course. Somebody said to try dirt 5 to have a succesfull experience with the wheel. I think I will try that too. You know I do not mind a little learning curve but this is a 10 year long learning curve for me I guess. But for now I will not give up. Ooh yeah and sometimes the car even spins out when driving straight .... you can never let go of the wheel even for a split second ... But good advice to use the VW Samba bus that drives 60 km/h to start I guess. If I can't manage that I think I will sell the damn thing though hahah

 

[newmedia_dev]

hope so but I drive all sorts of cars for 30 years and I can honestly say the game is at least 10 times harder to steer.

No it's not.

Can I ask what view you use?

You can do (arguably) better every corner in this game on a wheel.


A group 4 car on a wheel

In a real car I think I almost never use two hands, even with sharp turns. And if you slide you can always correct a real car with the brakes and gas or handbrake off course but in the game you have to let go of the wheel or it feels like it will brake my wrist.

Honestly anticipation and steering movements is worth more than other inputs but there shouldn't ever be a time in GT unless it's rally that you need the handbrake.

If you want to completely turn the wheel when you look at the settings you have to turn the wheel over almost two times ... I tried monza and the first right-left corner I simply can not take ...

That's not true, I have a DD wheel and make the Monza chicane with at worst rotating to 5/6 o'clock on a single turn. The wheel has never been turned more than that

 

[330_D]

I hope so but I drive all sorts of cars for 30 years and I can honestly say the game is at least 10 times harder to steer. Try to drive with one hand for example. In a real car I think I almost never use two hands, even with sharp turns. And if you slide you can always correct a real car with the brakes and gas or handbrake off course but in the game you have to let go of the wheel or it feels like it will brake my wrist. But I will not give up and keep on practising. Another small thing is the size of the wheel. If you want to completely turn the wheel when you look at the settings you have to turn the wheel over almost two times ... I tried monza and the first right-left corner I simply can not take ... I will follow your advice and try the licenses but as for now only frustration left in this game but the FFB is nice off course. Somebody said to try dirt 5 to have a succesfull experience with the wheel. I think I will try that too. You know I do not mind a little learning curve but this is a 10 year long learning curve for me I guess. But for now I will not give up. Ooh yeah and sometimes the car even spins out when driving straight .... you can never let go of the wheel even for a split second ... But good advice to use the VW Samba bus that drives 60 km/h to start I guess. If I can't manage that I think I will sell the damn thing though hahah

I promise you that you are overdriving. Brake earlier and softer initially. Turn in gently and feel the edge of grip in the FFB throttle out with small measured increase in throttle... It's very similar to a real car if not a bit heavier but that's so you can feel the things.

Practice.

 

[joeyv]

Thx for all good advice guys. I will give it a try. I use the chase cam cause otherwise I don't see enough of the upcoming curves. I know most of you if not all use the view with only the meters or the inside view but that would be another difficulty in my learning process. But I must also say I want to enjoy playing a game and at this moment the constant crashing for hours and hours does not give me much joy. And I sometimes switch back to the controller just to feel a tiny bit of pleasure again. The reason I bought the steering wheel is because I mess up my left thumb cause I push to hard on the thumbstick and I get like strange calluses. Otherwise I would have never changed the controller for this T300 wheel. Yesterday I phoned an old friend and he says he always drives in GTA races. I told him ever tried GT7? He said yes but all my friends left this game cause you got to learn for ages and ages just to be at a certain descent level ... That brings me back to my beginning statement. GT7 is an awesome game but one of the hardest out there except for Iracing maybe.
And sometimes a man just wants to enjoy driving a fast car without crashing for hours and hours .... I will give it a few months but if I can't make a good amount of progress I will try dirt 5 or Gta too. The difference between a wheel and a controller shouldn't be like day and night. Then there is something wrong with the programming my opinion. You can feel much more with a wheel so driving should be easier cause normally you feel much better what a car does. The controller is far more easy while you only feel some vibration and the noise of course. In my opinion the way the wheel turns does not feel right at all. Ok after years of practise it probably will but after so many years I can learn to kick a sigarette in my mouth while doing a backflip too

 

[watto79]

I use the chase cam

This is probably your biggest hurdle. There are a few players who are fast on a wheel using chase cam but they're rare. I've tried using chase cam with my wheel and I can't make it work. Nothing feels "connected".

You've got to do what's right for you but I'd strongly advise to try using bumper cam or hood/roof cam.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Because they increase what you earn in arcade mode?

Well….then get GOLD.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Thx for all good advice guys. I will give it a try. I use the chase cam cause otherwise I don't see enough of the upcoming curves. I know most of you if not all use the view with only the meters or the inside view but that would be another difficulty in my learning process. But I must also say I want to enjoy playing a game and at this moment the constant crashing for hours and hours does not give me much joy. And I sometimes switch back to the controller just to feel a tiny bit of pleasure again. The reason I bought the steering wheel is because I mess up my left thumb cause I push to hard on the thumbstick and I get like strange calluses. Otherwise I would have never changed the controller for this T300 wheel. Yesterday I phoned an old friend and he says he always drives in GTA races. I told him ever tried GT7? He said yes but all my friends left this game cause you got to learn for ages and ages just to be at a certain descent level ... That brings me back to my beginning statement. GT7 is an awesome game but one of the hardest out there except for Iracing maybe.
And sometimes a man just wants to enjoy driving a fast car without crashing for hours and hours .... I will give it a few months but if I can't make a good amount of progress I will try dirt 5 or Gta too. The difference between a wheel and a controller shouldn't be like day and night. Then there is something wrong with the programming my opinion. You can feel much more with a wheel so driving should be easier cause normally you feel much better what a car does. The controller is far more easy while you only feel some vibration and the noise of course. In my opinion the way the wheel turns does not feel right at all. Ok after years of practise it probably will but after so many years I can learn to kick a sigarette in my mouth while doing a backflip too

I sympathize but genuinely do not understand. Why do you crash? Take a track like Le Mans, put an “easy” difficulty and do a 30 min race. It is very easy and enjoyable. If you wish, have some assists off, like TC. I am using a controller. Just recently got dual sense edge midnight black and the changes it offers helped me drive a bit faster. I started playing the game on Dec 31 2024, so also very new

 

[joeyv]

I sympathize but genuinely do not understand. Why do you crash? Take a track like Le Mans, put an “easy” difficulty and do a 30 min race. It is very easy and enjoyable. If you wish, have some assists off, like TC. I am using a controller. Just recently got dual sense edge midnight black and the changes it offers helped me drive a bit faster. I started playing the game on Dec 31 2024, so also very new

I can do like Le mans in the nissan tuned to 699pp in hard mode on a controller and get gold with minutes ahead also with the chase cam. I am going to try to follow the given advice of you all f.e. change the view and put all the assists on not off otherwise I already crash in the first corner I think. But really like everybody who visits me and tries the wheel does not enjoy it because it is undrivable in the beginning. I can drive Le Mans f.e. if I do it like 60 miles an hour and seem like I am on a bike .... But
I love the community over here and I am going to put some trust in you guys. Maybe the name Thrustmaster is derived from there hehehe. How do I upload a video from my PS4 to this platform by the way? I want to show you the difference between me on controller and me on the wheel. It is like NO spark of fun at all except the FFB. If I didn't knew better I would say the wheel is not programmed right or exclusive for pros. But again I will become the 'Thrustmaster' of you guys!

 

[daan]

I want to show you the difference between me on controller and me on the wheel. It is like NO spark of fun at all except the FFB. If I didn't knew better I would say the wheel is not programmed right or exclusive for pros.

Perhaps you should use your own thread for that as it's not really relevant to this thread.

 

[Eliminatorek]

Try to drive with one hand for example. In a real car I think I almost never use two hands, even with sharp turns.

This is very significant fact which explains why everything in GT7 and simracing comes so diffiult for you. You are very often misteking things looking at them from wrong perspective leading to your wrong perception that something is good or bad.
Driving one hand IRL i basicly primal sin of driving (speaking of person with both hands) and most likely driving faster then 40kmh. For any driving you should keep both hands on the wheel. Driving one hand makes ppl like you think your drive like a boss. But in case on the road happend anything similar to what you are forcing on the race track (like in GT7) all the time would make you end up in the tree complaining there is something wrong with the phisics and programing in this Real Liefe or car.

I tried monza and the first right-left corner I simply can not take ...

This again proves you have no technic of using/roatating the Wheel both IRL and in game. It needs a practice to make a quick 60-90 deg turns - and yes - in some cars and many turns on different tracks you need to roll the wheel beyod reach of single grip - you need to shuffle the hands properly (even if monza shicane is not ideal example of that).
Look around internet about racing driving hands technic - trust me - in Dirt or any WRC game this will be even more significant (as you need to do it quick as hell.
Ok, in WRC games usually the FFB is being felt diferently as gravel is very smoothly (edt. gently) forcing wheel out of your hands, but basically if you drive an asphalt stage you would have the same immersion (edt. ripping wheel from your hands).

You can feel much more with a wheel so driving should be easier cause normally you feel much better what a car does

It would be lie saying that driving very fast and without faults (spinning around) with the wheel both IRL or GT7 is easy. It needs being trained and mastered- like anything which looks super easy when watching pros doing it.
It can be that the FFB setting of your wheel and GTS FFB settings are not perfecly matching your taste - so look around the forum how to play with them looking for your preference. I played quicly T300 at my friends and being used to G29 and Fanatec DD I had no issue with having a nice feel for weight transfer and oversteer of the car.

Yesterday I phoned an old friend and he says he always drives in GTA races

GTA has a nice and very easy arcade style of driving, but has very little to do with IRL or simdriving. So this is very wrong reference.
Clearly your challange is that wheel needs more rotation then 180deg each direction to make a full lock.
In some wheels you can change a full lock - meaning instead od 1080 or 900 deg you can lower it downto 600 or 450 (like in F1 car). BUt lowering it down you reduce a resolution of your movements meaning it can be difficult to choose the right wheel reaction not to overshoot the countersteer or similar - again ending you in the wall.

All in all Sorry Joey, but this is really hard to be supportive and not frustrated in longer range with someone who has a wrong approach and blames everything but his lack of understanding or skills.

 

[Chris30]

This is very significant fact which explains why everything in GT7 and simracing comes so diffiult for you. You are very often misteking things looking at them from wrong perspective leading to your wrong perception that something is good or bad.
Driving one hand IRL i basicly primal sin of driving (speaking of person with both hands) and most likely driving faster then 40kmh. For any driving you should keep both hands on the wheel. Driving one hand makes ppl like you think your drive like a boss. But in case on the road happend anything similar to what you are forcing on the race track (like in GT7) all the time would make you end up in the tree complaining there is something wrong with the phisics and programing in this Real Liefe or car.

This again proves you have no technic of using/roatating the Wheel both IRL and in game. It needs a practice to make a quick 60-90 deg turns - and yes - in some cars and many turns on different tracks you need to roll the wheel beyod reach of single grip - you need to shuffle the hands properly (even if monza shicane is not ideal example of that).
Look around internet about racing driving hands technic - trust me - in Dirt or any WRC game this will be even more significant (as you need to do it quick as hell.
Ok, in WRC games usually the FFB is being felt diferently as gravel is very smoothly (edt. gently) forcing wheel out of your hands, but basically if you drive an asphalt stage you would have the same immersion (edt. ripping wheel from your hands).

It would be lie saying that driving very fast and without faults (spinning around) with the wheel both IRL or GT7 is easy. It needs being trained and mastered- like anything which looks super easy when watching pros doing it.
It can be that the FFB setting of your wheel and GTS FFB settings are not perfecly matching your taste - so look around the forum how to play with them looking for your preference. I played quicly T300 at my friends and being used to G29 and Fanatec DD I had no issue with having a nice feel for weight transfer and oversteer of the car.

GTA has a nice and very easy arcade style of driving, but has very little to do with IRL or simdriving. So this is very wrong reference.
Clearly your challange is that wheel needs more rotation then 180deg each direction to make a full lock.
In some wheels you can change a full lock - meaning instead od 1080 or 900 deg you can lower it downto 600 or 450 (like in F1 car). BUt lowering it down you reduce a resolution of your movements meaning it can be difficult to choose the right wheel reaction not to overshoot the countersteer or similar - again ending you in the wall.

All in all Sorry Joey, but this is really hard to be supportive and not frustrated in longer range with someone who has a wrong approach and blames everything but his lack of understanding or skills.

Plus GTA is Grand Theft Auto and is not relevant to this thread. It is to discuss how difficult the CE's really are. I mean nobody can change anything about the bronze/silver/gold times. PD did it for a reason and they will never change or make the game easier for people that find it hard. There are resources to help you drive faster. You can use the assists, use your own personal ghost and even watch the demo replay and watch it's ghost to find out where you are losing time on the track. It's not that complicated.

@joeyv If you are using the wheel, I also recommend the chase cam for better angle and throttle control. And to find good strong lines and braking points. Good luck.

 

[ZevZoq]

Well, contrary to the above advice, as a person who has actually used a wheel for some time now in GT7 I would definitely NOT recommend chase cam. Any of the other three views is a better option and personally I'd recommend bumper cam (especially if you're not able to position the wheel base inches away from the screen.)

When it comes to comparing the feel of the driving in the game versus the feel of driving in RL, I think it's important to compare apples to apples. In other words, when I pick a car in GT7 that is similar to the car I drive every day, and I drive it similarly to how I actually drive my real car every day, I can definitely drive one-handed just fine and it actually feels very much like my daily driver. Mostly in the real world I'm city driving at speeds in the 60-70kph range and cornering speeds in the sub 40kph range. I do have reason to go out on the highway on a fairly regular basis and drive on some roads that are actually quite "GT7-like" in terms of cornering and elevation changes and when the speeds get up in the 80-100kph range (still pretty slow compared to average GT7 speeds) and I hit some of those bends I have both hands on the wheel, much like in the game. One hand doesn't feel safe.

It takes time to get used to a force feedback wheel. You're feeling forces on the wheel that you aren't feeling on the rest of your body (unlike when you're driving a real car) and you need to learn to interpret and react to those forces. It's pretty realistic, but it's a little different from reality too. I'd suggest just forgetting about anything competitive for a couple weeks and spend a bunch of time just driving around different tracks trying to improve your times a little bit each lap.

 

[Lomic]

Well, contrary to the above advice, as a person who has actually used a wheel for some time now in GT7 I would definitely NOT recommend chase cam. Any of the other three views is a better option and personally I'd recommend bumper cam (especially if you're not able to position the wheel base inches away from the screen.)

When it comes to comparing the feel of the driving in the game versus the feel of driving in RL, I think it's important to compare apples to apples. In other words, when I pick a car in GT7 that is similar to the car I drive every day, and I drive it similarly to how I actually drive my real car every day, I can definitely drive one-handed just fine and it actually feels very much like my daily driver. Mostly in the real world I'm city driving at speeds in the 60-70kph range and cornering speeds in the sub 40kph range. I do have reason to go out on the highway on a fairly regular basis and drive on some roads that are actually quite "GT7-like" in terms of cornering and elevation changes and when the speeds get up in the 80-100kph range and I hit some of those bends I have both hands on the wheel, much like in the game. One hand doesn't feel safe.

It takes time to get used to a force feedback wheel. You're feeling forces on the wheel that you aren't feeling on the rest of your body (unlike when you're driving a real car) and you need to learn to interpret and react to those forces. It's pretty realistic, but it's a little different from reality too. I'd suggest just forgetting about anything competitive for a couple weeks and spend a bunch of time just driving around different tracks trying to improve your times a ittle bit each lap.

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