coil binding?

[TheDabbinDave]

NASCAR (sanctioning body) has very strict rules in place which really put crew chiefs in a box. In all honestly NASCAR is a couple of more rules of mandating predetermined set ups (IROC).

I am a NASCAR fan, but what NASCAR (sanctioning body) is doing really PISSES ME OFF. They are quenching the very spirit of racing with all of these stupid rules and this new taxi cab with wings (COT). The rule book needs to be freed up and the crew chiefs that have engineering degrees need to be allowed to be creative. Of course, safety cannot be sacrificed.

Oval races started with the dirt tracks in America. It has always been for the fans. The fans wanted a larger track to achieve higher speeds and it came to be. To say that there is no skill needed to race inches away from other cars in a pack going 190mph (not kph) in a pack of 43 other cars, is simply inaccurate and and mean spirited.

 

[MeWhiteNoise]

I understand what you mean, however if 'front end' can't keep up with the steering inputs, then there's something wrong with your Car Tuning.
Rusty*

I meant this in that I was wondering why coil binding isn't a practice used outside of Nascar? With a really soft front end would in not be able to keep up on a non-oval circuit?

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Coil binding is probably a "legal" cheat crew chiefs are forced to use because of NASCAR's BS constant rule changes. The cars handle terribly and this is just one tool the must employ to get grip.

 

[zodicus]

I think coil binding and now ridding the bumpstops (basically the same thing) are in NASCAR and not other forms of motor sports because its a more speclized ( for lack of a better word) form of racing. Now dont take this the wrong way Im a huge nascar fan, but the fact that they just turn left and only have to deal with 3-4 corners not 10 or more is my guess as to why they run this kind of set up.

They have only a few corners to deal with both the crew chifs and the drivers so they push the cars to the extreame limit. If you watch really close all those cars are sideways the whole time there in a corner, be it just a little bit but still sideways. This was real obvious when i saw the race at indy a few yrs ago.

The set up is extreamely unstable so its not going to be road corse friendly. If it turns better lap times but you make it a lot harder to drive youre chances of making a mistake make the gain in lap times not really worth it as just one mistake can end the race.

P.S. and to those of you who think its o so easy ask all them F1 guys that are in NASCAR how easy it is, last i looked they wernt doing so hot.

 

[Rusty*]

I meant this in that I was wondering why coil binding isn't a practice used outside of Nascar? With a really soft front end would in not be able to keep up on a non-oval circuit?

Yes your right if the Car was running soft suspension in the front then the car was driven hard at Suzuka. It's as you said, the front would not be able to keep up. Every track has an optimal suspension setup for the particular Vehicle your using, in the case of Suzuka the suspension setup of all cars would share something in common...relatively Rigid suspension.
On the subject of Nascar, I'm no expert here (Not interested in Nascar) but for what I do know Nascar is Oval track racing where the cars only turn one direction and those turns are not sharp, so therfore weight shift is not really abrupt. This is one reason why I think its possible to run 'Flat' suspension. Peace,👍
Rusty*

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I think the real question is, does NASCAR use "coil binding" at The Glen or Infineon? I don't have the answer to the question.

On the "cut away car" for today's Nationwide race (yay KB!!!) it was demonstrated that the "bound coils" are indeed in the front, not the back.