Comfort Tires = Professional Level?

[TwinturboCH]

Oh I know they can't keep up because of the difference between comforts and sport tires. It's not because of skill.

I know you weren't saying that, I was just saying the grip difference between 'comfort' and 'sport' is unrealistic

If they can link the whole track with comfort hard. Then that's cool. Use what's best for you.

Indeed

I mainly drift autumn ring mini reverse and tsukuba.

They are fairly easy to link with sports tyres. I think you'll find some of the longer tracks will be near enough impossible though.

I chased you most of the time on Grand Valley speedway. It was my first time there. But chasing you gave me a good example of someone who can carry drifts through corners using comfort hards. I'll have to learn that track next .

I probably won't be around until 7 EST. OR 12 midnight GMT. I'll help out for sure, if it's the two tracks I'm familiar with.

I remember, I was in the mega slow E55. That was the slowest drift car I've used in the game. I'll try with something a little better next time. You weren't on sports that day though were you? I'm fairly sure I limited to comfort soft didn't I. I still want to compare pace difference between Comfort hard and Sports hard

I probably won't be around until 7 EST. OR 12 midnight GMT. I'll help out for sure, if it's the two tracks I'm familiar with.

I'll prob be on then as my Tsukuba 9hours b-spec finishes at 11pm-ish GMT.

 

[why_spyder]

The reason why people uses confort tires is because they wear slower than sport tires.
I bet your tires last 2 laps on your overkill 300ZX.

You are correct, I'm getting 2-3 laps on Tsukuba on Sport Softs. Yes my cars power is probably overkill, but my car isn't built just for drifting. It's design was for multi-purpose racing (time attack, top speed, and drifting [by accident]).

I think Comfort hards are ****e as you can't get anywhere near as good entry speeds and speed through the corner.

Not all just about angle especially if your just crawling around the corner.

From what I have seen so far, those that use comforts are slower around the corners which drives me crazy sometimes.

And control... I drift every car of mine on Comf Hard tires. From my Ac 247 with 800 bhp or my Sileighty. If you question my control over the Ac, send me a pm on PSN, or watch this vid: Gonales Tsukuba Drift (youtube).

No one is questioning your control of your car that I can see here. I have heard a few people talk about drifting high horsepower cars on comforts - but I haven't met any good ones in a room yet.

If you need to use sports soft tires then your car is too powerful...
I run comfort hards on my 512bhp ISF and it drifts fine, it makes it a lot easier to tandem if you all run the same tyres...

Can you really have too much power? lol. I have drifted my car before in rooms with a 400-450hp limit and did just fine.

To all the people using sport tires, what kind of controller do you use?
Steering wheel or the Dualshock?

I'm running the DS3 controller.

As a result, many of us who are 'pro-level' (i don't say pro as, like someone said above, none of us get paid to play GT5) will pick a tyre that MOST can drift on (comforts) and limit a room to that so that people can join in knowing that everyone is going to be the same speed and enjoy a bit of twinning.

This I understand and have no problem with.

I actually often find that most people who want to use sports are actually terrible drivers and can't link a circuit up in any way, just drifting individual corners, which frankly is pooh LOL They seem to thrive on the argument that they are 'fast' but they clearly don't get that drifting is not about outright speed. The main point being, I have NEVER found someone who can drift a course better on sports than they can on comforts.

I don't know if I have seen this myself because I don't normally check the tires of everyone that doesn't drift/drive well. I will say that I am about speed in a drift - some angle will get sacrificed to maintain a good pace. I have ran across many a drifter that will get great angle but go so slow that they hold up traffic.

The reason they can't keep up is that the difference between 'comfort' and 'sport' tyres in GT5 is unrealistic. No-one on comfort hards will EVER keep up with somone on 'sport's as far as I can see. Come for a skid this evening, I've been wanting to find someone who can REALLY drift on sports tyres so I can test some things like apex speeds etc. and see how big the differences are. Fancy helping out?

I'd be game for helping out. My skills are still fairly mediocre by my standards, but I'll do my best.

I would love to meet some drifters that can link a course with speed....

 

[TwinturboCH]

I will say that I am about speed in a drift - some angle will get sacrificed to maintain a good pace. I have ran across many a drifter that will get great angle but go so slow that they hold up traffic.

I NEVER sacrifice angle but then I also find that the only people who ever overtake me, or are so close they want to get past, are people on sports tyres.

I'd be game for helping out. My skills are still fairly mediocre by my standards, but I'll do my best.

I would love to meet some drifters that can link a course with speed....

Fancy coming on later then? We can test some apex speeds round a course you are happy on and then we can hit Grand Valley if you like. I'll hop in the ISF Concept on comforts you will then realise why I say it would be nigh-on impossible on sports. You WILL keep up and want to get past, but there will be parts you can't link no matter how hard you try

 

[Knight Spirit]

If you need sports softs for drifting, there's definatly something wrong with either your car or your driving...

 

[why_spyder]

If you need sports softs for drifting, there's definatly something wrong with either your car or your driving...

I disagree but we are all entitled to our opinions.👍

 

[TwinturboCH]

If you need sports softs for drifting, there's definatly something wrong with either your car or your driving...

That is, generally, my feeling LOL However, this is why I want to do some tests, so I can give sports tyres a fair chance.

 

[niky]

Sport tyres are not semi-slicks. They are more or less road legal track-day tyres.

I've always viewed the Sports Hard as being analogous to high end street tires like the AD08s... which is why they're equipped on some "street" cars in GT5 as stock. Higher level Sports tires seem to be analogous to R-comp street/track tires, which would make them semi-slicks by definition... but this really is a gray area opened up by manufacturers who seem hell-bent on making "street" tires that will whup the competition in amateur racing series while still falling within the "street" definition of those series' rulebooks...

Not a drifter here... just passing through.

 

[gmsron]

Yea I found the longggg curves before the last hairpin weren't as easy to link. Once I experiment more at grand valley speedway. I'll get a feel of what tire would be optimal.

I just tried comfort hard on my c63 @ autumn ring mini reverse and the car accepted them nicely. I found mistakes were slightly easier to correct. Lap times were slower by about 5+ seconds. I kind of missed the feeling of grip though. That risk of if you're going to slow you'll snap over steer. Sport hards gives you a bit more excitement. The c63 has 655hp. So comfort hard with overkill power didn't seem so bad.



My argument is - If you can keep your line and link the corners like you're suppose to then who cares what tires you're using.

"I have ran across many a drifter that will get great angle but go so slow that they hold up traffic."

If he's holding a good drift line and carrying his drift properly. He's not really holding up traffic. You're just going to fast then. If I'm chasing someone and he's holding a crazy angle but going slow causing me to lose my drift. I'll stop my drift rather than hit him.

I don't look down on any drifters using comforts and I don't look up to someone using grippy tires. Gotta have an open mind to drifting.

 

[stig's helmet]

I just use the stock tyres the cars come with, slow cars it's comfort soft I think and sports hard for the high end cars. Stock tyres for me.

 

[theederv82]

I drift on occasion with Dave and I must say having learnt to drift on comfort hards I find it almost impossible to drift ( at the angles and entry I and comfortable with ) on anything else. However I do agree that it presents a problem when someone like myself is drifting significantly slower wearing comfort hards. I traditionally lock off my lobbies to comfort only in order to put off 'non drifters' from coming in and 'driving' the track. I really didn't know this was likely to cause issues for some drifters and I certainly will revise that restriction in order not to deter Sports users.

 

[why_spyder]

However I do agree that it presents a problem when someone like myself is drifting significantly slower wearing comfort hards. I traditionally lock off my lobbies to comfort only in order to put off 'non drifters' from coming in and 'driving' the track.

I do understand this as well. If someone felt I was driving the course too much I would hope they would speak up (or type it, lol).

 

[TwinturboCH]

I traditionally lock off my lobbies to comfort only in order to put off 'non drifters' from coming in and 'driving' the track. I really didn't know this was likely to cause issues for some drifters and I certainly will revise that restriction in order not to deter Sports users.

Same here, as a rule my lobbies are always locked to maximum comfort soft, but if someone joins (like Dave) who IS drifting and asks me to allow sports hards then I usually change the rules to allow sports hards.

 

[stig's helmet]

So people here only race on comfort softs or comforts? Never mind, saw it was drifting forum lol.

 

[TwinturboCH]

I do understand this as well. If someone felt I was driving the course too much I would hope they would speak up (or type it, lol).

Driving AT ALL is too much LOL

 

[DaveM-sport]

I know it's good to have a balanced car CH but over here with the street courses and generally low speeds the staggered tyres seems to work best for people. It's even evident in the game that a balanced grip is best as all those great drifts usually have the front tyres or at least the outside one turning alittle red too from slipping alittle.

I'll be more than likely using Toyo R888s and T1-rs on my car but that's because BMWs generally seem to need alittle more front end grip than others to maintain good drifts.

Pro-drift over heee are bringing out tyre restrictions for next year however so that'll be interesting to see how things go and will bring things alot closer too considering some were using RS-Rs or similar all round last year and twin-battles just too unfair as others didn't have them due to costs etc.


I'm kinda with Grimson though as I like to drift with abit of pace sonI use comfort mediums rather than hard on most tracks. Sport tyres are only really needed on one or two of my cars though with big power and tight tracks as running comforts on them just has me crawling around hairpins at around 20mph albeit at a nice angle. Tyres only lasting 2-3 laps is alittle annoying though


I'll be happy to join in later too CH, hope my net connection will be ok as its being wreaking my head the last few nights with getting disconnected from rooms.

 

[TwinturboCH]

I'm running the DS3 controller.

Only just saw you posted this. That is a BIG part of the issue. Drifting on the DS3 is MUCH easier than drifting on a wheel. Try drifting on sports with a G25 and you can't make the corrections fast enough, whereas with the controller, it's instant.

Looks like we might be able to get a decent room going later to test these theories out

 

[why_spyder]

I suppose tire usage could easily be linked to controller vs. wheel usage. For some reason I had overlooked that detail.

 

[DaveM-sport]

Same here, as a rule my lobbies are always locked to maximum comfort soft, but if someone joins (like Dave) who IS drifting and asks me to allow sports hards then I usually change the rules to allow sports hards.

I only ever use Comforts in our twining rooms... Unless another Dave.

I use Sports the odd time when I'm on my own just to have abit of craic at very high speeds even if angle is reduced alittle.


I must get my G25 back off my mate as I'm getting too used to drifting with the DS3 at the moment!

 

[TwinturboCH]

I suppose tire usage could easily be linked to controller vs. wheel usage. For some reason I had overlooked that detail.

I think it is, I very rarely see people with a wheel drifting on sports, much like I rarely see people with DS3's drifting on comforts.

 

[jimy281090]

I use comfort hards on ANY CAR! I don't go around saying yeah it's for pro's you suck on your sports tyres!. If people say tandem drift etc. then you're gonna be on Comfort hards!. Yes they are slow and yes have no grip but thats the challenge i see 4wd guys going around Tsukuba in a Skyline GT-R R34 with sports soft tyres and they are so arrogant! Expect me to move out the way? if you want past WAIT until the straights . You have a very valid point tho on you're comment about:

"To me it's like saying that judges go around at a drift event (in real life) and scout the tires being used - and then give those with the lowest quality tires a handicap or bonus points."

I have been seen drifting a Zonda R for 10-11 Laps on Comfort Hard tyres without a mistake so when people tell me you CANT drift any car on Comfort Hard i dont believe them! I'ts practice and each to their own!.

But all in all I wouldn'nt say you aren't pro for not using comfort! I'd say you're also a noob if you use 4WD tho lol .

 

[mulholland]

I drift my tvr t350c on sport softs normally, I prefer the challenhe of linking at higher speeds to slow paced drifting, and I can slow my drift mid corner or alter the angle to overtake inside/outside while tandem if needed.

they definitely dont last like comfort hards, but to say they are easier is moronic. everyone keeps stating they think ots hard to link a track on aofter tires... but that aomething is wrong with a driver or their car if they use them....

not everyone likes to do things easy mode and slap racing softs on for grip races and comfort hards in for drift. and not everyone drifts with a wheel. to each their own.

drifting is all about car control, and if you can only drift a miata on comfort hards, or rx7, s2000, great for you. if you can maintain crazy 4 wheel drifts on sport softs thats awesome too.

I dont get all the fighting... I droft with whoever, on whatever tires and whatever drivetrain as long as they are drifting not driving. thats all that matters.

 

[TwinturboCH]

I drift my tvr t350c on sport softs normally, I prefer the challenhe of linking at higher speeds to slow paced drifting, and I can slow my drift mid corner or alter the angle to overtake inside/outside while tandem if needed.

they definitely dont last like comfort hards, but to say they are easier is moronic. everyone keeps stating they think ots hard to link a track on aofter tires... but that aomething is wrong with a driver or their car if they use them....

not everyone likes to do things easy mode and slap racing softs on for grip races and comfort hards in for drift. and not everyone drifts with a wheel. to each their own.

drifting is all about car control, and if you can only drift a miata on comfort hards, or rx7, s2000, great for you. if you can maintain crazy 4 wheel drifts on sport softs thats awesome too.

I dont get all the fighting... I droft with whoever, on whatever tires and whatever drivetrain as long as they are drifting not driving. thats all that matters.

Just out of interest, do you use DS3 or wheel?

 

[TSLRich]

LOL R888's and V70s etc ARE semi slicks dude. At least as we define them

And for the record, people who stagger tyres are usually crap because they don't understand the fact that a car needs BALANCED grip LOL There are times (HUGE angle usually) when you want the front tyres to slide slightly. Having a grippy tyre on front and rubbish on the back just reduces a car's potential performance for the sake of allowing the driver to not have to balance the car on turn-in.




The reason they can't keep up is that the difference between 'comfort' and 'sport' tyres in GT5 is unrealistic. No-one on comfort hards will EVER keep up with somone on 'sport's as far as I can see. Come for a skid this evening, I've been wanting to find someone who can REALLY drift on sports tyres so I can test some things like apex speeds etc. and see how big the differences are. Fancy helping out?

I agree... I haven't seen anyone in FD using R888's... I know that team Falken uses the Azenis 615. Most of the Toyo guys are using the Proxes R1R.

Twin Turbo... what are your thoughts on D. McNamara? I hink he was drifting over with you guys before coming to the US and drifting in FD. He's had mixed results here in the US, but he's always exciting to watch...

 

[TwinturboCH]

Twin Turbo... what are your thoughts on D. McNamara? I hink he was drifting over with you guys before coming to the US and drifting in FD. He's had mixed results here in the US, but he's always exciting to watch...

I've faced him a few times. In fact, my first ever battle back on '05 was against Darren. He's a very good driver, very smooth and incredibly consistant. I just find he sometimes lacks 'flare' in solo runs. His battles are usually nail biters though, as he is very good at anticipating what the other driver is going to do.

 

[TSLRich]

I've faced him a few times. In fact, my first ever battle back on '05 was against Darren. He's a very good driver, very smooth and incredibly consistant. I just find he sometimes lacks 'flare' in solo runs. His battles are usually nail biters though, as he is very good at anticipating what the other driver is going to do.

Agreed... I was at Wall speedway when he won his first FD round... lots of fun. I also thought he should've advanced further the year before. He's always exciting in tandem.

 

[DaveM-sport]

Good few days ago since Darren was out in rose-green with his tin-can!!!

Since we are talking about Irish drivers in FD, what ye think of Eric over the last year or so?

 

[TwinturboCH]

My personal favorite Irish driver is James Deane, he'll be a world champion one day for sure

 

[ps3dan101]

Comfort hards are the best tyres any car can use then effectively , i have a 230 bhp levin that drifts just aswell as my 500 bhp 370z , same speed same angle . I love comfort hards and are probably used most widely they can be used in any way by any skill level if your new to the game there nice to learn on and if your skilled you can get the best out of them

 

[TSLRich]

Good few days ago since Darren was out in rose-green with his tin-can!!!

Since we are talking about Irish drivers in FD, what ye think of Eric over the last year or so?

I don't have much opinion of him... but only because I haven't seen him much. I saw him 09, but I don't think he ran much in the 2010 season.

I was super impressed with Mike Whiddet when I saw him... he looked extremely solid in practice and qualifying... Unfortunately, he had a problem with his car just before the 32 round started and I don't think they got it fixed right and he got knocked out.

edit... actually, I found some shots of Eric... he must not have made it into the 32 round in NJ because I don't have much of him.

 

[mulholland]

Just out of interest, do you use DS3 or wheel?

both, have to resort to ds3 when the fiance makes me put away my dfgt and spare bride pro I keep in the closet hahaha. I like sport hards on the wheel. I dont think comfort hards are in any way more pro than any other tire.