Conceptions/Misconceptions Over Cars

[Leonidae@MFT]

Dodge/SRT fanboys flooding every car video out there with "707, that's all" etc etc.. Ugh, I can't even think how intelligent conversations they have in RL.

 

[Azure Flare]

Show them a corner, that'll scare them away.

 

[Turtle]

It probably wouldn't scare them, it'd just be completely alien. They wouldn't know what to think about it.

 

[Dagger311]

Show them a corner, that'll scare them away.

Like dracula with the crucifix...

My favorite modern muscle car, but I doubt it can handle very well...

 

[Turtle]

I want to like it, but I just can't. I want to like more Dodge products in general, but they really don't make anything spectacular right now. At least the Viper looks nice, and the Ram 1500 is supposed to be pretty good.

 

[Azure Flare]

The Challenger Hellcat weighs 2 tons, sits on an old Mercedes-Benz platform that was fiddled by Chrysler, how do you think it's going to handle?

But 707 HP tho...

 

[Dagger311]

I want to like it, but I just can't. I want to like more Dodge products in general, but they really don't make anything spectacular right now. At least the Viper looks nice, and the Ram 1500 is supposed to be pretty good.

Vipers are sweet. You haven't lived until you've heard one. Amazing.

And Rams are kinda cool. I prefer Ford in trucks though.

But that Challenger, when the cutouts are active, sounds like a classic. It's awesome. There's a youtube video somewhere...

 

[Turtle]

Regarding the Viper; I just kind of have a thing for dangerous cars. Not really the kind of cars you want to have a strange affection for, but whatever.

 

[Tornado]

On that note, that popular (and frequently revisionist) perception that every American car ever made up until about 2005 or so was incapable of anything resembling handling prowess is pretty grating.

 

[Turtle]

My favorite car to combat that argument is this:

 

[Dagger311]

On that note, that popular (and frequently revisionist) perception that every American car ever made up until about 2005 or so was incapable of anything resembling handling prowess is pretty grating.

Oh my God this. Especially the smaller ones like the Mustang and Camaro.

 

[Doog]

I dislike how a certain subset of enthusiasts (usually the manual, RWD wagon > anything else crowd) will, without fail, come shouting "LOL SMALL PENIS" whenever a large pickup truck is mentioned. Ditto if it's, god forbid, a modern truck, because it might as well be the anti-christ for all they care.

 

[Slash]

I dislike how a certain subset of enthusiasts (usually the manual, RWD wagon > anything else crowd) will, without fail, come shouting "LOL SMALL PENIS" whenever a large pickup truck is mentioned. Ditto if it's, god forbid, a modern truck, because it might as well be the anti-christ for all they care.

So much truth. Especially with modern trucks.

 

[Azure Flare]

You mean the ones who think that Jalopnik is the end all be all of car journalism?

 

[Turtle]

I dislike how a certain subset of enthusiasts (usually the manual, RWD wagon > anything else crowd) will, without fail, come shouting "LOL SMALL PENIS" whenever a large pickup truck is mentioned. Ditto if it's, god forbid, a modern truck, because it might as well be the anti-christ for all they care.

But look, they're right! See below for proof.
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[Dagger311]

But look, they're right! See below for proof.
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At least you made the pentagram upside down. Right side up is actually a demonic ward.

 

[Turtle]

I'm surprised anyone could tell it was even a pentagram. Decided it be funnier to see how well I could do it without plugging in my proper mouse. Answer: Not very well.

 

[Dagger311]

To be honest it took me a secomd .

And Satin? I'm pretty sure those are made of Aluminum.

 

[Turtle]

 

[Dagger311]

.... He got the pentagram wrong, as well.

But I don't think this is on topic .

Here's another one, really bad with truck guys.

Only one of the big three are good. All the others suck. Not true, they're all good. Depends on what you want out of them.

 

[Wolfe]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Prefer whatever transmission you want too but when people think that a car is instantly worthless because it has an automatic or think in no way it can possibly be fun, then they just end up looking completely narrow minded. A fun car will be a fun car whether it's automatic or manual, you might have more fun with a manual if that's what you prefer but you're in no danger of falling asleep if it happens to be an automatic.

You might be underestimating how much an automatic transmission drags down the appeal of a car, to someone who really prefers manual transmission. I have fun in almost anything -- like our company's former work vehicle, a Saturn SL1 with an astonishingly dim-witted automatic -- but the slowest/worst manual cars are a level above the fastest/sportiest automatic cars. An automatic is an anchor on the driving experience; it's not even close to the same thing as if the car had a stick.

Your previous post seemed to imply that I'm wrong: "There's nothing wrong with an automatic and having a manual in a car doesn't always make it more fun." See the bottom of this post if that's not what you meant.

And a RWD/AWD can never do things a FWD car does. I fail to see your point. Saying FWD is inferior is being closed minded and thinking everything should be RWD or AWD is just ridiculous. An economy car that sole purpose in life is to shuttle people to work down the freeway doesn't need to be RWD or AWD.

I specifically excepted the notion that "everything should be RWD/AWD" from my point. The point is, the differences between FWD/RWD/AWD may include things that someone considers important, or (un)desirable, making one or more of them "inferior". A FWD car could be set up to dance around on lift-off oversteer all day, but it will never power through a corner sideways. If you're kind of a drift junkie, that might negate FWD's other qualities.

Where the notion of "inferiority" crosses the line is when someone ignores the facts, like refusing to admit that a FWD can be quick or successful in motorsport, or when they suggest that everyone should drive RWD/AWD cars and that FWD is a waste of engineering, as we've both established.

Like I said, you seem to be confusing people preferring things and people saying what they prefer is the be all to end all with cars. It's just a way of saying "stop being a closed mind jerk" with more examples.

Factual misconceptions are worth addressing; same with teenaged proselytizing on the tenets of a "true" enthusiast and holding others to that standard. The automatic/manual bit is often plagued by the latter, and if that's all you were getting at, it's cool. 👍

It just seems like the default reaction around here is to condemn anyone who dares to dislike things like FWD/automatics, presumably because they're common objects of ridicule for the underinformed. But those are valid opinions, if expressed rationally.

 

[Zenith]

This thread would benefit from not mentioning the cool wall. Let's keep the misconceptions to the cars and car cultures, not GTplanet.

 

[Slash]

.... He got the pentagram wrong, as well.

But I don't think this is on topic .

Here's another one, really bad with truck guys.

Only one of the big three are good. All the others suck. Not true, they're all good. Depends on what you want out of them.

Truck guys are extremely loyal to one particular brand, usually the one they grew up with. It's hard to explain, but I'm just as guilty as the rest of them. You can't really explain why, you just have this feeling inside you that screams "the rwest of them suck!".

 

[homeforsummer]

On that note, that popular (and frequently revisionist) perception that every American car ever made up until about 2005 or so was incapable of anything resembling handling prowess is pretty grating.

They've clearly never driven a Seville.

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[Turtle]

I think we need a counter that keeps track of how often that video is posted.

 

[Nexus]

I'm actually bad to do that one, blame it on me learning about it when I was eight .

It's" Gi-Ar-Do" right?

I said 'Gai-Ar-Do' to an Italian person (I usually pronounce it 'Ga-Lar-Do' anyway, I just wanted to sound smarter lol) and he just laughed and said that it's pronounced 'Ga-Lar-Do'.

 

[Dagger311]

Truck guys are extremely loyal to one particular brand, usually the one they grew up with. It's hard to explain, but I'm just as guilty as the rest of them. You can't really explain why, you just have this feeling inside you that screams "the rwest of them suck!".

Yeah, and absolute brand loyalty never made sense to me. I prefer Ford trucks (after a certain year, and definitely in the 2014 lineup), mostly because I like the styling better, but that doesn't mean the other two absolutely suck.

 

[Wolfe]

@homeforsummer @Tornado -- If I had known all I needed to do to make Enthusia viral around here was drift a Seville down Dragon Range, I wouldn't have bothered carrying out the whole comparison with Gran Turismo 4.

 

[Grandea GTR]

"More camber makes the car faster."

 

[Badasp5.0]

On that note, that popular (and frequently revisionist) perception that every American car ever made up until about 2005 or so was incapable of anything resembling handling prowess is pretty grating.

That one drives me nuts.