:CONTROVERSIAL: Worst cars of the 2000s :CONTROVERSIAL:

[GT Pro]

And Krudd is the poster-child for the new Great Wall models. It makes me sick to my stomach that such an incompetant and dangerous leader and one pathetic car brand could come together to perpetuate the sale of rediculous Chinese products that Australia does not need. Not only that, but his allowing China (along with India's Mahindra commercial line) to sell their junk here is simply increasing the current rate of deterioration of local businesses. Whatever happened to supporting and protecting hard-working local businesses who cannot match prices with this cheap-and-nasty junk? I just don't understand why he has been allowed to enact this injustice. If the mentally-handicapped who voted him in before do so again, renaming the country may be a good idea. [/rant]

 

[mafia_boy]

We're talking cars designed and sold in the 2000s. Not cars designed in the middle ages and pirated by Chinese manufacturers.

No no no, this was the requirement to make the list:

A car had to be sold at any point in the 2000s to be eligible for this list

It might have been designed by King Arthur, but it is being sold in 2009.

GTPro, I suggest renaming the country Austmerihina (Australia, America & China) due to the Chinese importing this garbage, and the American's (Delaware North more specifically) buying up our islands and millions of acres in the outback. We won't own anything by the time my son reaches 18, and he's already 4!

 

[Jim Prower]

We're sorry. Well, I am. >:

 

[Tornado]

It might have been designed by King Arthur, but it is being sold in 2009.

Not in America it isn't.

 

[mafia_boy]

Not in America it isn't.

Just because it's not sold in America does not mean it does not count!! And think yourselves lucky there in the US that you DON'T have to deal with these cars!!

I'll just go back to the comments from before....

I dont' see anywhere in the article where it said "World's worst cars of the 2000s"

It didn't say that it was just for the U.S. either.

So, since it doesn't specifically say the worst cars sold in the US in the 2000's then this should be counted too.

 

[Tornado]

Just because it's not sold in America does not mean it does not count!!

For this list it does.

So, since it doesn't specifically say the worst cars sold in the US in the 2000's then this should be counted too.

It doesn't have to. Just looking at it should tell you that "worst cars sold in the US" is what it was covering.

 

[niky]

Not in America it isn't.

Probably not until next century. Most clones aren't very crash-standard-friendly.

Of course... the worst car actually sold in America in the 00's has got to be the only Chinese car that got around regulations...

Hooray for capitalism!

 

[CTznOfTime]

I can't believe that some of China's worst atrocities aren't anywhere on this list....

I would have to agree with Mafia-Boy

and the list would be long....
so i will just say:

Anything coming out of China in recent years... or from a Chinese so-called "design" *cough* copycat *cough* office

 

[Sniffs]

every argument you make about local economy and so on is the same thing "Joe Union" has been saying over here for years. then they find out "Joe Teamster"(their boss) is living high off the hog on THEIR sweat equity.

and, btw, guys...Mahindra's already made sales probes (as covered in another thread) over here.

don't forget, India and China are still n00bs when it comes to car culture. they oughta crib notes from Korea, who figured out the US taste in 20 years!

btw, Australia, what's YOUR excuse for sending us duds?

 

[Jim Prower]

Bad timing, bad marketing, put into a dying brand. I think that covers it.

Their Camaro seems to be doing well. They're common to the point of ignorance.

 

[mafia_boy]

btw, Australia, what's YOUR excuse for sending us duds?

a)We keep the good models for ourselves over here or for our UK cousins (HSV Supercharged Clubsport/Vauxhall Walkinshaw S & FPV F6 Typhoon's and GT's and GS's).

b) It's not our fault the idiots at GM decided to put new faces on the cars and re-brand our cars as Pontiac's and then couldn't market them (no wonder GM over there needed financial assistance from the government!).

So I'll ask back, why is it that our "dud" cars are being chosen over the American product when it comes to areas such as the middle east? Dubai wanted our Commodores, not your Impalas.

 

[Sniffs]

a)We keep the good models for ourselves over here or for our UK cousins (HSV Supercharged Clubsport/Vauxhall Walkinshaw S & FPV F6 Typhoon's and GT's and GS's).

b) It's not our fault the idiots at GM decided to put new faces on the cars and re-brand our cars as Pontiac's and then couldn't market them (no wonder GM over there needed financial assistance from the government!).

So I'll ask back, why is it that our "dud" cars are being chosen over the American product when it comes to areas such as the middle east? Dubai wanted our Commodores, not your Impalas.

I don't just mean Holdens. I seem to remember a Capri convertible that tried to come up here that didn't work, either.

they didn't put new faces on them, just new grilles

they want Commodores because they're BIGGER than the first gen front drive impalas that were available, then. they get our current impalas...as Luminas

and you know dang well they add 500 or more Kilos in US required safety equipment without changing the power ratings (or,i think they tune them DOWN to meet US emissions and fuel quality levels, despite the fact that your engines burn a lot cleaner than ours do, I bet)

meanwhile, I'll look wistfully at Utes and wish...hm...an Oz style Ute setup as an F100 to replace our Mazdaish Rangers...there's an Idea.

 

[mafia_boy]

I don't just mean Holdens. I seem to remember a Capri convertible that tried to come up here that didn't work, either.

It didn't work here either, the Capri was basically a FWD version of an MX5. The XR2 Turbo was a decent runner though as it had the Mazda B6T motor and with some mild mods could be made to run with the V8's around here very easily.

they didn't put new faces on them, just new grilles

And they still failed with their grille design, no wonder you guys in the US didn't want them.

they want Commodores because they're BIGGER than the first gen front drive impalas that were available, then. they get our current impalas...as Luminas

Not just that....the fact that ours are RWD and the Impala was FWD sealed that deal. And now you guys are getting them as cop cars.

and you know dang well they add 500 or more Kilos in US required safety equipment without changing the power ratings (or,i think they tune them DOWN to meet US emissions and fuel quality levels, despite the fact that your engines burn a lot cleaner than ours do, I bet)

Actually, in the case of the Pontiac GTO/Holden Monaro, you guys got more power than we did (260Kw vs 245Kw)...we ended up fitting some of the GTO parts later on to get the same power of 260Kw for the standard Monaro and then fitted the 297Kw LS2 to them later for our VZ model HSV GTO.

meanwhile, I'll look wistfully at Utes and wish...hm...an Oz style Ute setup as an F100 to replace our Mazdaish Rangers...there's an Idea.

It gets done here a lot already, people get the ute shells and slap them on top of 4WD chassis (like Landcruisers), but it's more for the people who have farms or do a lot of bush bashing. 👍

 

[Sniffs]

glad to know that Capri was a dud down there, too.

RWD platforms were discarded on Passenger cars here, originally, for reasons of fuel economy. besides, you see what happens when an American gets near a rear drive platform...it's called NASCAR

there wouldn't be any such chassis left here in the states. what isn't either decomposed was sold for scrap last summer, or is currently sitting under hotrods in museums besides, imagine dropping a metric designed body meant for narrow roads on an SAE frame designed for cruising over 130 kmh for long distances.

 

[Spec M]

or the Kia Rio

two of the worst cars I have ever driven.

Yes! this needs to be on the list! I had to test drive one of these for an inspection and it was absolutely terrible. Thats not even half of it though. I had to replace the shot rotors and pads on it. In the process of doing so, things were so rusted (Note: this was a 2004) that I ended up breaking 2 essential pieces of hardware even after using rust penetrator. One bolt was the FL caliper bracket, and the other was the bleeder screw. Apparently a entirely new caliper had to be ordered (this is a Toyota dealer so we had to order it through Kia). That was 2 days that this car took up space in my bay, and after finally getting the caliper I proceeded to bleed the brakes with the help of an associate. THEN..! in the process of loosening the bleeder screw on the right side, it broke also. Somewhere some how one of the parts associates managed to find an exact same match somewhere in the dwellings of the warehouse. So after all that we get the breaks bleed and I lower the lift to initiate a test drive and the breaking in of the new rotors and pads. And whats happens? I get a spongy pedal . So we bleed the brakes once again and get the same result. Someone then suggested that the rear drums may need to be adjusted, and after I get the covers off I discover that they can't be adjusted. Why because they're "self adjusting" . I then drove to the back of the parking lot to practice an old trick of the trade, (driving in reverse and slamming the brakes to adjust the "self adjusters"). After all these mishaps and what not I finally got that POS out of the garage prepped and ready for the next poor owner to claim their fate. Absolutely terrible!

 

[senamic]

meanwhile, I'll look wistfully at Utes and wish...hm...an Oz style Ute setup as an F100 to replace our Mazdaish Rangers...there's an Idea.

Do you guys want some BNS utes? I think they would make the USA a much nicer place! Can't go wrong with them.

Images, for those unsure of what a BNS is!

 

[Omnis]

Do you guys want some BNS utes? I think they would make the USA a much nicer place! Can't go wrong with them.

Images, for those unsure of what a BNS is!

What's BNS stand for? Looks like redneck bosozoku.

 

[mafia_boy]

@ Bambi's Nightmare. Jesus H Christ, you could drive through about 20 mobs of kangaroos and not even dent the bull bar on that thing!!

Needs more WB Statesman front end though.

*added bit* Omnis, it's really B&S for Bachelors & Spinsters. 👍

 

[Jay]

What's BNS stand for? Looks like redneck bosozoku.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_and_Spinster_Ball

The ute drivers who attend these functions (and = N)

 

[senamic]

Damn straight. Goes officially by Bachelors & Spinsters, shortened to B&S, pronounced BNS by a lot of people and thus spelt that way often. They are actually wonderful to drive, and in a good BNS circle work is fun .

So, what do you guys in America think of BNS?

 

[Jim Prower]

I think it's just plain BS. There's more metal in that bull bar than there is in the frame of a modern monster truck.

in fact...it's a rather off-topic conversation, and a mild gravedig, thus warrants...

 

[Murcie_LP640]

I think that takes the whole "I can do anything because I haz an OMG-UB3RMASSIVE BULL BARZ" to the next level. But also notice that both of those were either

a) Commodores or
b) GM-based products (Cadillac whatever-the-****-that-thing-is).

Gives you some sort of idea who drives JAFOCs.

 

[Jay]

Black car is a VR or VS commodore ute and the blue car is a WB Holden ute.

 

[TVC]

I don't really agree with this list.

The ForTwo is good for what it was made for which was be easy to drive in big cities.

What about the Ford Windstar?

I can't believe that some of China's worst atrocities aren't anywhere on this list....

I think there are enough of them to fill all ten spots.

 

[Sniffs]

again, read back over all the posts. the list refers to the worst in the american market. and american's are not all city folk. the fourtwo isn't quite working, yet.

 

[TVC]

again, read back over all the posts. the list refers to the worst in the american market. and american's are not all city folk. the fourtwo isn't quite working, yet.

Yes but still I think there are a lot of other cars that can take it's place.

Not everyone in the US not living in the city isn't really a good argument for it being #1. It's the same as saying a Chevy Silverado 3500 is bad because not everyone lives in a place where a truck is needed.

What about the Chrysler Corssfire? Chrysler Aspen? Oldsmobile Aurora?

 

[Tornado]

Not everyone in the US not living in the city isn't really a good argument for it being #1.

How about how it is completely pointless and that even people in Europe who love small cars (or, rather, especially people in Europe) should know better? Not only is it a bad car in general, it is a bad city car.

And it isn't an issue of Americanitis like Ford F150s or something. Its very small and has zero space, but it isn't particularly frugal. It is lightweight and stiffly sprung, but it isn't fun to drive. It is quite expensive and made by Mercedes, but it isn't of particularly high quality. It is an anomaly brought on to fill a niche that never existed in the first place, and the fact that smart has nearly gone bankrupt twice should tell you that most people don't see the point in them either.

What about the Chrysler Corssfire?

Its biggest crime was being too expensive for what it was.

Chrysler Aspen?

Awful? Yes. Probably should be on the list. I'd put it where the Toyota Echo is.

Oldsmobile Aurora?

Considering period reviews considered it just as good, if not better than, the equivalent Japanese cars, I doubt it. It also didn't have any mechanical foibles that makes it a bad thing in hindsight but good at the time (like the Vega).

 

[sumbrownkid]

Did anyone mention the Pontiac Aztek?

My god every time I saw it I wanted to vomit.

 

[TVC]

How about how it is completely pointless and that even people in Europe who love small cars (or, rather, especially people in Europe) should know better? Not only is it a bad car in general, it is a bad city car.

And it isn't an issue of Americanitis like Ford F150s or something. Its very small and has zero space, but it isn't particularly frugal. It is lightweight and stiffly sprung, but it isn't fun to drive. It is quite expensive and made by Mercedes, but it isn't of particularly high quality. It is an anomaly brought on to fill a niche that never existed in the first place, and the fact that smart has nearly gone bankrupt twice should tell you that most people don't see the point in them either.

Yes but does it deserve the #1 spot? I don't think so.

Considering period reviews considered it just as good, if not better than, the equivalent Japanese cars, I doubt it. It also didn't have any mechanical foibles that makes it a bad thing in hindsight but good at the time (like the Vega).

Yeah it didn't really have any bad mechanical problems but I think it was a pretty bad design and didn't sell very well. So maybe it shouldn't definitely be on the list but it could be an option.

Chrysley Pacifica?

 

[Tornado]

Chrysler Pacifica was pretty much the same problem as the Crossfire. Good idea. Way too expensive.