COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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McLaren
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I wonder if it's testing capacity. Dallas has remained consistent at 1,000 cases/day.
Deaths however, seem to be another matter. Texas has 4,000 deaths now. 25% of them have happened in the last 10 days.
Edit* California may not have leveled off, yet. Reported record day yesterday.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7199504/coronavirus-california-case-record/
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Yea that's gonna lag cases. If the Texas deaths follow cases by about 10 days, deaths/day should keep going up for at least a week. That peak in the chart below is 4 days ago. Cases/day is relatively good right now (compared to 4 days ago), but it's the same as it was 10 days ago. So whatever the deaths/day is today, I'm saying that's where we're going to be in about a week and a half and we'll prefer that to what's about to happen in between then and now.
By the way testing was highest yesterday. It doesn't look like testing is limiting the case total.
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@Danoff - Yeh, I noticed that as well - Arizona has definitely peaked, and others seem to be hitting what looks like something of a ceiling, along similar lines to NY state which still hasn't seen any sustained new increase in infection rates since it peaked a few months ago.
Putting 2+2 together may be dangerously optimistic, but it could be that the virus is running out of steam and/or that immunity levels (both innate and as a response to the infection) are now high enough to start putting the infection rates into reverse.
Putting 2+2 together may be dangerously optimistic, but it could be that the virus is running out of steam and/or that immunity levels (both innate and as a response to the infection) are now high enough to start putting the infection rates into reverse.
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Why would it all happen seemingly at once though?
Each of these (Florida, Arizona, Texas, California) is such a different population. For them all to be hitting a ceiling at the same time is striking me as pretty odd. They all kinda took off at the same time, and they're all leveling off at roughly the same time. Google's mobility reports don't seem to be indicating a big ramp-up in Texas during this time period. Same story for Florida.
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Looking at the data some more, it looks like those 4 states took off early and were driving the US numbers up, and then peaked together and are bringing the US numbers down. But just about every other state lagged them. So most of the other states started ramping up after those 4 took off, and despite national numbers coming down, it seems that the majority of states are still ramping up.
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Danoff
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I know this is a little late, but, that is not what the evap component does. AC refrigerant works by whats called phase change. You have a pump, a condenser coil and a evaporator coil. The pump pumps the refrigerant in a gas state into the condenser, this pressurizes the gas and causes it to become liquid. At that point the pressure pushes the liquid through the condenser and into the evaporator coil. In that coil the liquid evaporates into a gas, hence its name, that phase change causes the coil to get really cold, like negative degrees cold. Air is blown over this coil, cooling the air, and into the room/ventilation system. As we all know, a material with significant temp differences than ambient air causes condensate to form. As such the coils will pull water out of the air, which generally pools into a tray and is drained outdoors. Its that action that typically reduces humidity. However, if that drain is clogged, or the system over saturated with condensate the net effect of "dehumidifying" the air is severally diminished.
I think you might be confusing an AC unit with an evaporative cooling unit. It doesn't have an evaporator unit persay, as the entire device is the evaporative unit. Rather it pumps water over a honey combed medium that air is drawn or pushed through. As the hot, dry air (has to be dry though, even a little bit of moisture will reduce its effectiveness, hence why they are used in AZ, South West TX, NM, but not Tennessee or Georgia or Florida) moves through the water, the water changes phase to gas and pulls heat out of the air. A good deal of that evaporated water stats with the air, humidifying the house/building.
Long story short, the evaporator "unit" in an AC system isn't for humidity control
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At one time when I was playing auto mechanic...Well look who's the expert....
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McLaren
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Unfortunately, we also have 436 Karens per million compared to Australia's 5 Karens per million which means closing state borders would result in an online meltdown of uncharted proportions from them.
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Too true. It’s surprising that despite Section 92 of the Constitution of Australia (which provides for free “trade, commerce and intercourse among the States”), there seem to have been very few examples of people valuing the freedoms granted by this section of the Constitution over staying alive.
However, while Interstate intercourse may have declined, hotel quarantine guards and guests may have made up the shortfall.
https://thewest.com.au/news/coronav...ad-sex-with-guests-in-victoria-ng-b881595606z
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does any other state count Non-Resident cases?
https://www.ktuu.com/2020/07/21/dhss-reports-92-new-cases-of-covid-19/
https://www.ktuu.com/2020/07/21/dhss-reports-92-new-cases-of-covid-19/
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One of the schools near me just announced in-person class 2 days a week for elementary students, masks required. They're doing half the school on 2 days, the other half of the school for the other 2 days, and a clean on the 5th day.
Uh... with all of the trillions of dollars floating around we couldn't hire a crew to clean on the weekend? Whatever it takes it would be worth it to get just a half day added or a 3 day week every other week.
I think this is more conservative than it needs to be, and it will represent a significant setback for me if my local school decides to go this route. I'll lose thousands of dollars, but also many hours of work. And my employer will probably lose of a bunch of money trying to supplement my work hours. I'd practically be willing to hire the janitorial crew out of pocket if it meant more days in school.
Uh... with all of the trillions of dollars floating around we couldn't hire a crew to clean on the weekend? Whatever it takes it would be worth it to get just a half day added or a 3 day week every other week.
I think this is more conservative than it needs to be, and it will represent a significant setback for me if my local school decides to go this route. I'll lose thousands of dollars, but also many hours of work. And my employer will probably lose of a bunch of money trying to supplement my work hours. I'd practically be willing to hire the janitorial crew out of pocket if it meant more days in school.
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That is pretty much the plan I'm hearing will be in place in our school district. Half the kids Mon-Tue, clean Wed, other half Thu-Fri, clean weekend. Ontario has left school planning to individual boards (~ 1 per city/rural region), and we only have 12 active cases right now from a population of 400,000.
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Danoff
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It wouldn't matter. If they've decided not to have class on Mondays, there's not going to be any changing that from the outside.
That's what paying more than minimum wage is for.
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From the Times.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...n-in-bad-tempered-health-committee-d5kb3fmw2/
I would imagine that in the states where the infections are not going up quite so rapidly that herd-immunity is now having the desired effect. Same in the UK. 20% may be enough for herd-immunity in this case.
There is a plus side to Covid-19 though. Deaths from other issues have gone down.
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/cause_of_death_20jul.html
It's your call as to what is going on here.
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Except you cannot say there is herd immunity because (once again) you have no evidence that the virus can only be caught once AND there can be any herd immunity achieved. It's possible that the states where infection rates aren't skyrocketing are practicing proper social distancing and mask wearing.
Well, seeing as less people are going out, most deaths by non-diseases should be going down. I wouldn't necessarily call that a good thing because there isn't evidence that people will keep acting the same way once the virus either has ran it's course or has a vaccine.
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Evidence that Covid-19 can only be caught once. Hmmmm. How many people have had it twice? https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-catch-twice/
And https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52446965
So it's very rare.
Also even if we have achieved hard-immunity it may not last for a long time, but looks like it's long enough to stop the virus in it's current lifetime. It may resurface in the future. Better to have had it than not, assuming that you're are healthy.
And as for the morons referred to earlier.... There has been a huge amount of propaganda from governments, pharma, media the like of which there has never been. All the money and propaganda is of no use, anymore. Millions of people has looked at the facts and the figures, instead of getting the spoon-fed ******** from the media. It was good at the start, because we didn't know what it was, so better safe than sorry. Now there are two results. One is that it's not so dangerous, but the media-machine brainwashed a large percentage of the population, not morons please, some people still believe the hype and are reading this. The second is that the longer the media peddles their crap, the more people will see through it.
And https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52446965
So it's very rare.
Also even if we have achieved hard-immunity it may not last for a long time, but looks like it's long enough to stop the virus in it's current lifetime. It may resurface in the future. Better to have had it than not, assuming that you're are healthy.
And as for the morons referred to earlier.... There has been a huge amount of propaganda from governments, pharma, media the like of which there has never been. All the money and propaganda is of no use, anymore. Millions of people has looked at the facts and the figures, instead of getting the spoon-fed ******** from the media. It was good at the start, because we didn't know what it was, so better safe than sorry. Now there are two results. One is that it's not so dangerous, but the media-machine brainwashed a large percentage of the population, not morons please, some people still believe the hype and are reading this. The second is that the longer the media peddles their crap, the more people will see through it.
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McLaren
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Except no one has achieved herd immunity. You'd need at least 50-60% of a population to start seeing the effects of it. Right now, I think the US is still under 5% by documented cases.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808
The observed lasting-effects on survivors would heavily indicate otherwise.
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It's clear what's going on, and nobody is fooled - you have the agenda of a crackpot and desperately keep trying to find 'evidence' to support it.
People were already massively changing their behaviour even before the lockdown was announced, so it's no surprise that it had an effect on the infection rate. For example, transport use was already virtually down to lockdown levels by the 23rd March:
Herd immunity is relative to the level of restrictions in place. 20% may be enough with the current restrictions in effect, like wearing masks in shops. We'd still need about 60% if no restrictions were in place.
edit: oh boy, how did I miss this? an edit, I guess...
That's what They want you to think, man.
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