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What does any of this have to do with my (and many peoples) concerns for the covid vaccine?
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Danoff
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According to multiple news sources, it was a malfunction in the covid registry that caused the higher cases
Hear that Joey? What you've been seeing at work is just a malfunction of a registry. Your insane workplace is an illusion in a database.
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Pseudopodia proportional to primary appendages of humanoids. Amoeba aren't relevant beyond the appendages resembling that which amoeba possess.
In the event that she does develop them, keep an open mind and remember that she's still your wife and the mother of your children. Could be fun...
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...provided she doesn't go all Lovecraft-y.
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What? This is dumb and insane and not at al what I am saying. We had I big drop in positive tests and then a big rise on wednesday. The reason for the big drop was that the numbers for monday and tuesday were missing due to system malfunctions and they were added to wednesdays numbers causing the wednesday numbers to be very high.
Somebody else blamed the high wednesday numbers on black friday, I just gave an explanation of what actually happend..
Anyway...
Anybody have information about long term covid vaccine effects?
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Because today I waved off a hearse containing a friend that died of Covid.
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I delete this comment because a mod changed the text I quoted*
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If that's a wow, without the AUP I'd probably blow your mind.
Anyhow, can you post some pictures of your friends literally worshiping masks? I mean, I believe you, I absolutely believe you have such people in your group of friends, I'm just curious to see actual mask worship, first hand.. can you do that?
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I'm very sorry kind person, but camera's are not allowed during the mask worshipping sessions.
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(Why are other vaccines trusted but one for CoViD-19 isn't? I'm getting distinct Bill Gates microscopic tracking and listening device stupidity vibes. And that's to say nothing of the totally anecdotal bandwagon fallacy. Or it would have been. Oops.)
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I'm sorry, I don't know much about the whole Bill Gates thing. I only stated that I (like many people) have concerns over de CoViD-19 vaccine because the don't know what the long term effects will be. Is this really such a weird thing to be concerned about? My wife and I are thinking about having a third child (sorry @MatskiMonk ) and we wonder if it would be safe to have the vaccine during a pregnancy? It's one example of a concern I have.
Most people are not anti-vax 5g Bill Gates eats babies flat earthers. Most people just want to know if what they are putting in their body is safe. Even a pro-vaxxer like myself. Why should we be ridiculed for that? Most of the vaccines I've taken have been known for years and have had years of research for people to have less concerns about them.
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*Tinfoil hat time*
Because they managed to create the vaccine in less than a year & somehow, we can cure a virus but can't cure caner or HIV.
*Takes off silly hat*
There's no point in explaining how we weren't entirely in the dark with this virus (since we are aware of other coronavirus'), it becomes a lot easier to research & fast track vaccines when the world comes to a stop & governments give these researchers blank checks to drop everything else, & we had a much, much larger of people willing to be test subjects.
Because that makes absolutely no sense to be pro-mask & anti-vaccine.
Much likely still unknown as it varies. People reporting still taking time to regain taste/smell as a minor issue to doctors discovering multiple issues affecting your lungs after the virus is gone as a major concern.
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It depends on what you mean by "long-term" side-effects. Are we talking about side-effects that appear in the long term, or side-effects that appear in the short term but cause chronic illness?
The latter is easy. There's no difference in rates of adverse negative reactions compared to regular vaccines; you are no more likely to pick up something bizarre, rare, and chronic like Guillain–Barré Syndrome from mRNA vaccines than regular ones. The former cannot be answered. No mRNA vaccine has ever been approved before (this goes back to the bureaucracy and finance required; vaccines are just not profitable until they are), so they simply haven't existed for long enough to say what happens long-term.
Given the way mRNA vaccines would work I doubt you'd see anything in particular cropping up down the line; the biggest risk is that it doesn't work at all. Essentially, the DNA in your cells makes RNA (the "m" is for "messenger"), which is then transcoded into proteins by tRNA. The vaccine puts viral mRNA into the cell (not the nucleus) to build a relevant protein - in this case SARS-CoV-2's "spike" protein - which promotes the immune response.
While DNA is pretty stable, mRNA isn't. Mine was the second coldest thing in my lab, behind the cell lines in liquid nitrogen, in a dedicated -80 freezer. The mRNA in the vaccine will break down in hours (that's partly why you need a second dose, to generate a second response).
It's just a pity you had to leave that dog egg floating there. It makes you look intensely insincere.
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McLaren
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Then why are they drawing the line at a vaccine? It's not like there's 1 or 2 companies that make the vaccine; I believe by spring, it's reported there will be 6 companies with a vaccine out & it's clear they will not all be exact same in side-effects. 1 report told people with allergic reactions they may want to avoid (I believe) Pfizer's specifically.
Do you take a flu vaccine every year? Those shots are changed every season to combat the flu evolving & no one bats an eye.
These things are checked thoroughly & reviewed every year to make sure they're safe.
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We can't know the long term effects because it hasn't been long term yet. It's impossible to say for sure. But given that Pfizer has years and years of vaccine data they can make some reasonable assumptions based on the components of the vaccine. There will be reactions, there are with every single vaccine on the market since no two people are alike. While patient A might have zero interactions, patient B could end up dead for a routine vaccine. I'm not sure about the Moderna vaccine yet since that's not officially approved in the US, but should be in the next few days. As for the AstraZeneca vaccine that most of Europe will probably get, I really have no understanding of how that all works, but AZ is a massive company and I have to assume they have the data to back up whatever it that they are doing.
So far we've vaccinated over 1,400 employees at my work and no one has had any negative reactions outside the normal stuff like chills, fever, aches, and pains. While this isn't exactly a big sample size, I think it at least shows that the vaccine is reasonably safe in the short term and that people aren't falling out right after getting the shot.
Honestly, the vaccine is likely safer than actually getting COVID, especially with all the unknown long term effects that we know about regarding COVID. Also, none of these companies want a whole truckload of lawsuits if their vaccines start causing issues. Imagine if there was some fatal flaw in the Pfizer vaccine, the company would go under due to stock sell-off and the slew of class action lawsuits. This isn't a thing where it's cheaper to let people die then ensure everything is working correctly.
Given how crap the US government is at handling the data (along with many states) it wouldn't surprise me if other countries are experiencing the same thing. The amount of data we send and the amount of data that actually gets reported doesn't match up. It's likely that the numbers being reported by states and countries are behind what health systems are sending. The amount of data we send out several times a day is astonishing and with the vaccine now being administered, we've doubled the amount of data we're sending. For every person getting the vaccine, we need a full registration with demographics and there are 15 questions that need to be answered that collect various things. In contrast, when we get the flu shot, we answer three questions and give them our name and employee number and that's all done on a sheet of paper, not electronically.
It takes about five hours every night to compile all the data and dump it into the database. The stuff being sent to the state, country, Pfizer, etc. are only bits and pieces so that only takes 15-20 minutes.
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I found out today that I'm in "Wave 4" meaning I should be able to get the vaccine sometime right after the first of the year. As an added bonus, I'll know exactly when they're going to open the scheduling for that wave so I can be one of the first handful of people in that wave to get it done. Honestly, I can't wait to get it along with my family. Once we get it and wait the 6-8 weeks to achieve immunity we can finally start doing stuff without worry. We'll still wear masks as long as it recommended though and since I'm pretty much used to masks now, I'll probably just wear one anytime I'm feeling under the weather. I'll also probably wear one all winter too since we get inversions here that are awful in terms of pollution. Oh and I can mouth "🤬 you" to people as well and they never know, it's wonderful.
I found out tonight that we vaccinated over 1,000 employees today and that the immunization clinic is a sight to behold. People are volunteering to help out in any way that they can and with zero regards to the time commitment. The entire School of Pharmacy dropped everything and is now working around the clock in the clinic. Some of these kids are fresh off their undergrad and have no real clinical experience, but they're there doing what they're legally able to do. Hell, one of our executives was even helping out in the clinic today. I've worked in a bunch of different health systems and I've never seen people come together like this. I know I didn't have to step up to help do backend work, but I felt compelled too, as did most of my team. I think we're all seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and, unlike Metallica, it's not just a freight train coming our way.
Now since I've been working since 4 am and it's nearly 8 pm, I think I'm going to drink some beer and pass out. I'm supposed to have tomorrow off since, in lieu of an xmas party, they just gave us a day off, but I told my boss that I'm going to work since we need the manpower.
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Can you elaborate on this 6-8 weeks?
I thought it was said it will take about a week after vaccination for the body to become immune. Is this after the 2nd shot? If so, is the 6-8 weeks taking into account of when you'll get your 2nd dose? It was a brief report on my local news, so I may have been missing out on some details of that statement regarding a week for immunity to kick in.
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AIUI, yes, a week or two after after the second shot is when it has built up to full effect. There is some immunity a week or two after the first but I don't think it's possible to say how much (too short a time between then and the second shot to study the effect) although tests show that there are antibodies present. I believe this schedule applies to the mRNA vaccines (e.g. pfizer and moderna), not sure about others, some may be single dose. While the two doses can be given as close as 21 days apart, in practice 4 to 6 weeks may be more likely, giving the 6 to 8 mentioned.
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Update: She stayed home sick today. Checked her temperature at 3:00 this morning and it was 100.5 and she said she can't smell but can still taste.
I'm not sure what that means for me, though. Am I a close contact to someone that's having a response to a vaccination and should have stayed home, at least as a precaution?
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"I didn't feel a thing", Mike Pence describes the last 61 years of his life.
I mean, gets vaccinated.
I mean, gets vaccinated.
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From the way I understand the Pfizer vaccine, you need two doses with a minimum of 17 days in between each dose and a maximum of 28 days. After the first dose, you're roughly 50% protected after a couple of weeks. After the second dose, you're roughly 90% protected a few weeks after that. You can still get the second dose after 28 days, but it's not recommended. Still, if you're at say day 32, they'll still administer the second dose, your immunity might not be as strong though (we don't know for sure).
I'm not really sure of the mechanics behind vaccines though, I assume you start getting an immune response rather quickly after getting the vaccine administered, but they don't achieve full protection until much later.
Yes, you should stay at home as a precaution. Loss of smell isn't a documented side effect of the Pfizer vaccine (although it very well could be) so you should probably stay isolated as best you can until you know for sure it's not COVID (it could be a number of things though).
Your wife probably already did this, but she should report her symptoms to employee health. They are likely tracking adverse side effects of the vaccine and submitting the data to either the state or Pfizer themselves. We built in something like 30 codes for adverse side effects so they can be collected. Some of the stuff is really strange too, like Bell's Palsy or Lymphadenopathy.
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Hope your wife gets over the side effects and feels better soon @TB.
He's gotta have his shots, if he's planning an overseas trip soon.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...pence-biden-trump-congress-vote-b1775589.html
He's gotta have his shots, if he's planning an overseas trip soon.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...pence-biden-trump-congress-vote-b1775589.html
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Latest ONS Survey isn't looking good for England, with a rise over the last week following a limited dip after the lockdown (when, notably, schools were not closed).
Personal conjecture and musings, with zero medical authority.........
The overall pattern is certainly consistent with the main spread occuring in secondary school sixth forms and universities starting in September, then outward from there to younger children and parents.
It is a big stretch but just about plausible that a (very) few individual schools may have reached herd immunity levels: 12 weeks of >5% prevalence might reach 60%, which may be enough where masking and distancing is in place. However, even if true, this obviously would only be applicable to those particular situations, perhaps call them mega-bubbles since they have a clear boundary. (Possibly explains the continuing fall in cases for Year 12 to Age 24 group).
Of course on a national level it is clear that we are nowhere near any sort of herd immunity. The very low prevalence during the summer means that only a small % have had the virus since this survey started in May (wild guess: 10% ish). From memory, a previous survey of antibody prevalence indicated that less than 5% had the virus during the first wave (and that may well overlap with the ONS survey period).
(Have to note that the very low prevalence during the summer, according to random PCR testing, absolutely disproves the notion that PCR suffers from any notable excess of false positive results).
What does any of this mean for Christmas? In terms of the statistical overall case numbers, IMO not much - the number of contacts will be far fewer than in schools, for example, and the holidays will provide a break in multiple transmission routes. But for grandparents who have kept themselves safe all year it's a huge risk, with around 2% of their grandchildren currently having the virus.
And for another lockdown, which Boris is "hoping to avoid"? I really don't see the point unless schools are included in it (for age ranges where cases are still increasing). It may be said that the last 4 week lockdown managed to put the clock back about 7 weeks on this rise in cases, but we are seeing reductions in cases in most areas in Tier 3 - that could well have a similar sized effect (remember that before the last lockdown only a handful of areas were in Tier 3, and maybe half of them only for about a week or less - not long enough to measure the effect).
Personal conjecture and musings, with zero medical authority.........
The overall pattern is certainly consistent with the main spread occuring in secondary school sixth forms and universities starting in September, then outward from there to younger children and parents.
It is a big stretch but just about plausible that a (very) few individual schools may have reached herd immunity levels: 12 weeks of >5% prevalence might reach 60%, which may be enough where masking and distancing is in place. However, even if true, this obviously would only be applicable to those particular situations, perhaps call them mega-bubbles since they have a clear boundary. (Possibly explains the continuing fall in cases for Year 12 to Age 24 group).
Of course on a national level it is clear that we are nowhere near any sort of herd immunity. The very low prevalence during the summer means that only a small % have had the virus since this survey started in May (wild guess: 10% ish). From memory, a previous survey of antibody prevalence indicated that less than 5% had the virus during the first wave (and that may well overlap with the ONS survey period).
(Have to note that the very low prevalence during the summer, according to random PCR testing, absolutely disproves the notion that PCR suffers from any notable excess of false positive results).
What does any of this mean for Christmas? In terms of the statistical overall case numbers, IMO not much - the number of contacts will be far fewer than in schools, for example, and the holidays will provide a break in multiple transmission routes. But for grandparents who have kept themselves safe all year it's a huge risk, with around 2% of their grandchildren currently having the virus.
And for another lockdown, which Boris is "hoping to avoid"? I really don't see the point unless schools are included in it (for age ranges where cases are still increasing). It may be said that the last 4 week lockdown managed to put the clock back about 7 weeks on this rise in cases, but we are seeing reductions in cases in most areas in Tier 3 - that could well have a similar sized effect (remember that before the last lockdown only a handful of areas were in Tier 3, and maybe half of them only for about a week or less - not long enough to measure the effect).
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He is one of those assholes who should be last in line to receive the vaccine.
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