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COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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Unfortunately, you will probably see this get uncovered more and more in other areas too. Even if it wasn't intentional, some states botched their reporting horrendously. Even some health systems were woefully unprepared to report their numbers to the state as well which I always found confusing. If you have an electronic medical record, it's not difficult to create reports in it. Even the cheap ones do this. And while health systems may or may not be interfaced with the state health department, it's not like someone couldn't just send a secure e-mail with the data in it.
You'll probably see this with vaccines too. Since the federal government is controlling the distribution, it's sending out vaccines to places that are administering the most. So if an area is worried about the vaccine supply, I can totally see them skewing numbers to get a bigger shipment.
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Biden says the US will have enough vaccines to handle "every american" by end of July. Fauci today strongly suggested phase 3 (without saying that as far as I know) sometime in April.
In other COVID news, trump was nearly put on a ventilator (the mortality rates for patients that need ventilation was... last I checked... not great).
In other COVID news, trump was nearly put on a ventilator (the mortality rates for patients that need ventilation was... last I checked... not great).
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Both of my parents were vaccinated yesterday.
My Dad nearly missed his appointment because they sent his invite to his old phone which he had given to my nephew ages ago, so long ago in fact that he doesn't even use it. My sister figured out that this might be the reason for his lack of invite (he's 78) and fired up his old phone, only to find the invite had been sent out on 1st Feb, in spite of my Dad calling his GP to update his mobile phone number!
Anyway, both are doing fine and my Dad already has his appointment for his second shot lined up.
My Dad nearly missed his appointment because they sent his invite to his old phone which he had given to my nephew ages ago, so long ago in fact that he doesn't even use it. My sister figured out that this might be the reason for his lack of invite (he's 78) and fired up his old phone, only to find the invite had been sent out on 1st Feb, in spite of my Dad calling his GP to update his mobile phone number!
Anyway, both are doing fine and my Dad already has his appointment for his second shot lined up.
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I'm glad to hear they're doing okay. The NHS have kind of cast my mum adrift since her initial vaccination last month. No sign of a follow up appointment so far. Perhaps Scotland is managing this better than England because it has fewer citizens.
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Probably not. The Scottish government announced that the vaccination programme 'may have to slow down' because of supply issues.
My Mum doesn't have a second appointment yet, but my Dad will get his second shot exactly 12 weeks from his first.
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It shows how much times (and attitudes) have changed... I was a bit surprised to see a local restaurant apparently open last night. I walked past fairly quickly, but I could see at least 3-4 people standing, and a table (right at the window) with three girls sitting at it.
Given that everywhere else is closed, it seemed very odd to me, and I won't be surprised if they end up getting shut down.
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Could this have been a private opening for one bubble or family group? Guess there would’ve been a sign up were this the case.
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That's odd. Took my mother-in-law to Aston Villa football ground last Saturday after booking it online on Wednesday (yes, it was that quick), and it was so quiet there that the other half was able to get an injection at the same time, rather than waste the vaccine (I was waiting in the car, otherwise I could probably have got it). During the visit, my partner was able to get their second appointment booked there and then.
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If you're worried about an allergic reaction to the vaccine, here's some good data that should help put your mind at ease.
Reports of Anaphylaxis After Receipt of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines in the US—December 14, 2020-January 18, 2021
Essentially, out of around 10 million Pfizer doses, only 47 cases of anaphylaxis were reported. Out of around 7.5 million Moderna, there were only 19. In these cases, they almost all began within 10 minutes of the shot, which is why both manufacturers state that patients should wait at least 15 minutes after being vaccinated. Out of the 66 cases, 18 ended up in the ICU with 7 of those patients needing endotracheal intubation.
To put it another way, only 0.0004% of patients who got the vaccine during this time frame ended up with anaphylaxis and 0.0001% ended up in the ICU. To shed more light on this, you have a 0.0002% chance to be struck by lightning.
Reports of Anaphylaxis After Receipt of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines in the US—December 14, 2020-January 18, 2021
Essentially, out of around 10 million Pfizer doses, only 47 cases of anaphylaxis were reported. Out of around 7.5 million Moderna, there were only 19. In these cases, they almost all began within 10 minutes of the shot, which is why both manufacturers state that patients should wait at least 15 minutes after being vaccinated. Out of the 66 cases, 18 ended up in the ICU with 7 of those patients needing endotracheal intubation.
To put it another way, only 0.0004% of patients who got the vaccine during this time frame ended up with anaphylaxis and 0.0001% ended up in the ICU. To shed more light on this, you have a 0.0002% chance to be struck by lightning.
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Just a wild guess that anaphylaxis was a result of a pre-existing allergy that these people either knew about or would have presented itself when receiving some other vaccination previously (like getting a flu shot). So, again my guess, is that you can know you're even less likely to get hit by that lightning bolt.
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A group of senior Tories have called themselves the 'CRG', or 'Covid Recovery Group', and are demanding that the Government lift lockdown restrictions entirely by the end of April.
The CRG bare an uncanny resemblance to the ERG, the European Research Group, otherwise known as the Hard Brexiteers - an influential libertarian group within the government who are just about big enough to ensure that the Prime Minister needs their support to do pretty much anything.
Unfortunately, they seem to be parroting the same lockdown-skeptic nonsense that can be found all over social media, and don't seem to care for the opinions of 'experts' who are warning against lifting lockdown restrictions too soon.
As usual with lockdown skeptics, they take something that has an element of truth to it and warp it to suit their agenda. The CRG posted this on Twitter today:
It's the one about "Vaccine gives us permanent immunity"... yes, they add "from lockdown and restrictions", but the intent of this is clear - and it is dangerously false.
The use of the phrase "permanent immunity" irks me, as I believe it is a deliberate attempt to overstate the effectiveness of the vaccination programme which is underway in the UK; it's also a clear attempt to downplay the requirement for further lockdown restrictions.
This is a dangerous thing to say, because not only has it not been established that the current vaccination drive will provide 'permanent immunity' (it very likely will not), but it doesn't address the danger posed by the variants of the virus that may render the current vaccines less effective.
It is a brutal irony that these folks just don't get the idea that the harder we come down on the virus, the more time we can spend with fewer restrictions. Promoting the misleading message that the current vaccine drive will allow us to permanently lift lockdown restrictions is, perversely, only likely to create a situation where severe lockdown restrictions are needed once again.
But this is what happens when ideology is put before basic science.
The CRG bare an uncanny resemblance to the ERG, the European Research Group, otherwise known as the Hard Brexiteers - an influential libertarian group within the government who are just about big enough to ensure that the Prime Minister needs their support to do pretty much anything.
Unfortunately, they seem to be parroting the same lockdown-skeptic nonsense that can be found all over social media, and don't seem to care for the opinions of 'experts' who are warning against lifting lockdown restrictions too soon.
As usual with lockdown skeptics, they take something that has an element of truth to it and warp it to suit their agenda. The CRG posted this on Twitter today:
It's the one about "Vaccine gives us permanent immunity"... yes, they add "from lockdown and restrictions", but the intent of this is clear - and it is dangerously false.
The use of the phrase "permanent immunity" irks me, as I believe it is a deliberate attempt to overstate the effectiveness of the vaccination programme which is underway in the UK; it's also a clear attempt to downplay the requirement for further lockdown restrictions.
This is a dangerous thing to say, because not only has it not been established that the current vaccination drive will provide 'permanent immunity' (it very likely will not), but it doesn't address the danger posed by the variants of the virus that may render the current vaccines less effective.
It is a brutal irony that these folks just don't get the idea that the harder we come down on the virus, the more time we can spend with fewer restrictions. Promoting the misleading message that the current vaccine drive will allow us to permanently lift lockdown restrictions is, perversely, only likely to create a situation where severe lockdown restrictions are needed once again.
But this is what happens when ideology is put before basic science.
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Normally it's a good thing in politics to have an opposing case presented, but this is unscientific and encouraging people to ignore restrictions. I've been quite angry and critical about some of the decisions made over tiers, schools and second lockdown (mainly because gov didn't appear to be following the data), but you don't hear me railing against this lockdown!
It still bothers me that gov has only tacitly acknowledged the role that schools played in the rise of cases last term (by including them in this lockdown). Nationally, on average, over 3% of secondary school children had covid towards the end of term, so some places would have been well over that. (The ONS data show it to be a fairly steady rise during the term rather than a dramatic peak at the end that one might presume to be the UK variant). That level of infection would clearly be a perfect environment for a variant to arise. Anyway, it bothers me because I believe that most people will act responsibly if presented the facts (including reasonable assumptions).
The SA variant though is the big worry. A further location is doing surge testing (near Basingstoke), and it's not clear if there's any known connection of the case found there to previous cases (I assume not). Can we put a lid on it and keep it out? I don't rate our chances highly on that, but must admit it seems to be going better than I expected so far.
Apart from schools, and aside from the SA variant, some of their timetable may yet turn out to be about right if and only if the data supports it. Hospital admissions have indeed dropped rapidly thanks to this lockdown, but there's a hint in the chart that we've reached the point where the fall isn't going to continue as quickly - the first wave showed us there's a very long tail before admissions can be called 'very low'.
The end of lockdown won't be predetermined by demanding dates, that's risible. And to make those demands now, when there's still more people in hospital than there was at the first peak, is frankly crass.
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Does anyone know if the 2nd dose of the Pfizer vaccine must be given exactly 3 weeks after it was first administered or can there be a slight fudge of 1 to 2 days either side? Reason I ask is we are expecting an annoying (3 to 6 inch) snowstorm that morning and I want to be prepared just in case I have to modify my scheduled shot this Thursday.
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It's 4 days on either side, so 17-25 days apart, but depending on the organization and its policies this can differ. For example, we allow people to have 32 days in between the Pfizer vaccine however it's strongly discouraged. Your immunity will likely be fine though if you miss the date by a bit since everyone I've talked to agrees that two doses any time frame apart (except too early) is better than only one dose.
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