CRAP GT6 - GT500 Sat 7 Nov 9pm EST (GMT-5)Open

[MeanElf]

...we also need to figure out how to get the casual race lounge filled up. it's always empty, but maybe it's just my time zone. hope to see you guys out there 👍

Time zone and available racers for the present I'm afraid...Ken and I were on the CasualRace lounge a lot during the week, joined occasionally by Heathern and others, though usually one at a time...

 

[snazy20]

Gutted I didn't check this thread for a few days! Would have been there for the enduro, will make it if its similar timing to today though!

 

[MeanElf]

Gutted I didn't check this thread for a few days! Would have been there for the enduro, will make it if its similar timing to today though!

The next one hasn't got a fixed date yet, though the CRAP CasualRace and Casual 2 rooms will all be running impromptu races if folks are present.

 

[ken4228]

Gutted I didn't check this thread for a few days! Would have been there for the enduro, will make it if its similar timing to today though!

well, i don't mind running it again...

 

[snazy20]

Well I'd be on board for next weekend! I'll add you two guys so I can hopefully spot out the lounges.

I agree fully with Heathen regarding the open lobbies. Such a shame.

 

[Psycho Turtle]

I want races that are short enough to keep ken4228 from lapping me.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Having a speed8 downtuned to 550bhp didn't seem to be in the 'spirit' of the race to me. most guys were practicing on gt500 and similar cars.


Some people just don't get it, here's a conversation that happened in a lounge.
"what are you guys running?"
"Lotus Europas @450pp"
"Oh.. I don't have one"
"Get something comparable then"
"OK"
Next thing you know there's a freakin detuned NASCAR on the track.............
"GET OUT"
BLOCK is the answer

As I explained earlier and you obviously missed it, when I went into the free run lobby my first and only time, for a few minutes a few days ago, I saw a Bentley Speed 8 and a Mazda 787B on the enduro track. I just assumed that's what everyone would be using since they would be the logical choice at 550hp with no other restrictions. Most racers try and pick the fastest cars within the rules don't they?

Time was limited, so I picked what I thought was the fastest car on my own practice time, and tuned it up to deal with the oversteer of the banked corners to keep the back end under control. When I showed up for the race, everyone else was in GT500 cars, so I pulled one out of the garage and spun out a few times because the oversteery nature of the tunes I normally have on my cars didn't agree with the banking on the track. Rather than quit or run around spinning out in front of everyone, I just drove the car I had tuned for the event. There was no time to tune anything else.

Next time I'll try to get a better handle on the "spirit" of the rules, or maybe we can just use hp/weight/pp restrictions and give some thought to specific makes of cars that we want banned, so we don't have to guess what the "spirit" of the rules might be.

Hopefully the "spirit" of this community is not to mock and ridicule someone who makes a choice to run a car within the rules specified before the race.

 

[Testdasi]

Having a speed8 downtuned to 550bhp didn't seem to be in the 'spirit' of the race to me. most guys were practicing on gt500 and similar cars.

Some people just don't get it, here's a conversation that happened in a lounge.
"what are you guys running?"
"Lotus Europas @450pp"
"Oh.. I don't have one"
"Get something comparable then"
"OK"
Next thing you know there's a freakin detuned NASCAR on the track.............
"GET OUT"
BLOCK is the answer

What's wrong with a detuned NASCAR? I just tried out the Europas and a Ford NASCAR on SPA and didn't really find the NASCAR having any unfair advantage. Maybe my skill just sucks equally bad on both.
And as long as the rule does not forbid using other cars, I also don't see why using a different car can be detrimental to the "spirit".
Think the "spirit" should be FUN first and foremost.
You are taking it way too seriously.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have a suggestion for the "Casual Races" room always being empty. Why don't we use this thread as a central source to sort of book or reserve the room for spot races or race nights or theme nights or whatever floats your boat? Or perhaps a better idea is to start a second thread with the specific purpose of being dedicated solely to race organization and planning, to keep the clutter down, and use this thread as the place for banter and showmanship and photo's and jokes and and beating up on guys who detune LMP cars..lol..or whatever. Trying to have one thread serve many functions leads to it serving none of them well, IMO.

A dedicated thread would solely be to plan, organize and conduct signups for racing. Want to host a 500pp SS night on Tuesday? Go to the racing thread and make a post about it, and see what interest you get and everyone will get into the habit of looking there to see what races are coming down the pipe.

In the OP of the 450PP SS Street Tuners Club, there was always a list of the races for that week, usually updated on Sunday. This is a fairly typical example of what it would look like:

Sunday : 80s Night -- Open 450pp, SS Tires
Tracks: Lobby Vote
--Host: Osprey
Monday : 4WD Only -- 450pp, SS Tires
Tracks: Lobby Vote
--Host: chuyler1's lobby
Tuesday: TBD -- 450pp, SS Tires
Tracks: Lobby Vote
-- Host: ???
Wednesday : Nurburgring Night, SS tires
Track: The 'ring all night long
--Host: esoxhntr (PSN: osprey73)
Thursday: Same Make/Model Night This Week Honda S2000 06' from NCD-- 450pp SS Tires
Any and all performance parts allowed for tuning the car.
Tracks: ???, Lobby Vote
Winner of first race picks the Make/Model and track for next week.
--Host: Johnnypenso
Friday : Open 450pp, SS Tires or Shuffle Racing
--Host: TBD
Saturday : Open 450pp, SS Tires or Shuffle Racing
-- Host:BrandonW77
The point of this was, you didn't have to go through 15 or 20 pages of posts to find who wanted to race what. Everyone got into the habit of checking the OP for the theme for the night and who was hosting.

You could do the same thing here. You could pick fixed themes, or vary the themes. You could have fixed times for some races and guys could organize spot races. The key to the whole thing is for everyone to have easy access to the info they need to plan their racing interest ahead of time. Randomness is fine, but a little organization goes a long way towards keeping lobbies filled and guys tuned up and ready to race. Doing this through individual posts is cumbersome and time consuming, although the initial posts for spot races and one time events would begin in the main thread. Constant reminders by the host/organizer of the specific event will ensure everyone is informed.

I know you guys want to kind of keep it informal, but you need organization to make informal work. Central resources dramatically cut down on time wasted searching for stuff. Having sign ups for races in a central thread lets you know who is active and who is not. With only 100 members you can't afford to have 50 or 60 who are inactive as they take up space and don't race. Better to cut them loose and bring in people who actually want to race. You could even have a regular weekly or monthly check in. If you don't check in, serious consideration is given to making space for active drivers.

 

[micantony]

Hopefully the "spirit" of this community is not to mock and ridicule someone who makes a choice to run a car within the rules specified before the race.

sorry dude, i wasnt meaning to criticize you. i was merely trying to give suggestions for future restrictions on the big races so we can all have a good, fun, competitive races. that was my only intent.

 

[HP]

I've a bit to say on this but as I'm now walking to work it must wait...

Johnny: nosoks did not originally say that dude, something went wrong with his quote by the looks of it.

 

[micantony]

well, i don't mind running it again...

👍👍👍

 

[HP]

I know you guys want to kind of keep it informal, but you need organization to make informal work. Central resources dramatically cut down on time wasted searching for stuff. Having sign ups for races in a central thread lets you know who is active and who is not. With only 100 members you can't afford to have 50 or 60 who are inactive as they take up space and don't race. Better to cut them loose and bring in people who actually want to race. You could even have a regular weekly or monthly check in. If you don't check in, serious consideration is given to making space for active drivers.

This is an excellent point Johnny and one that I have been thinking on given the level of interest in C.R.A.P.

I have not been idle on this and I have been doing quite a bit of thinking on how to get it to work smoothly but without scaring off those that I intended to attract in the first instance. There are a few different options the first of which is an offer from another group that I want to now let you all in on.

I have received an offer from a club in the UK to join with them. The offer is simple: They give us an entire section of their website for our own use and we have access to all their resources along with being an entirely independant group. We get to keep our name and to operate as we deem fit.

Ultimately the decision would be mine but I do want to know what the general feeling is. Remember that we would have access to a website, our own dedicated C.R.A.P forum and everything that goes with being part of a racing club BUT we retain the casaul part time racing feel... we do NOT "go pro" and we ensure that the fundamentals of C.R.A.P are not thrown out the window as they are the single most important part of this whole thing; along with the drivers themselves this is what made it so popular and is precisely why people were drawn to C.R.A.P like flies to sh.......

So let me know... Use the reply button or PM me or the email address gtpc.r.a.p@gmail.com and let me know what you guys think.

-

On the topic of races:

Enduro's are here to stay and will retain their "event status" so to speak. The other race ideas are brilliant and I will not be stopping anyone from hosting races in our name so by all means we can do that. I will create a new PSN ID tonight specifically designed for regular events and then when an event is organised, via the new thread I am about to make, the lounge can be used for it. I will post the ID in the new thread when I get home.

Remember that if you host a C.R.A.P room or event you must allow all aids on (SRF can be off if everyone agrees) and make all new and inexperienced members feel welcome,. Remember also that corner cutting cheats and rammers are to be discouraged and if they fail to heed repeated warnings to cease then boot them and let me know, just make sure they have had adequate warnings and if they ignore you get rid of them.

 

[nosoks]

I've a bit to say on this but as I'm now walking to work it must wait...

Johnny: nosoks did not originally say that dude, something went wrong with his quote by the looks of it.

"spirit" to me would include not running a modern race car, even detuned, against a 40 yr old street car. If that makes me too serious, I guess I am.... serious about spirit that is

 

[Tommy Repparc]

Hi all - great thread -

For me, the best races are close & hard - bumper to bumper - racers using their brakes & brains to slow down, instead of each other. Sure - I LOVE hitting the front & trying to make a break - but there's little satisfaction in wiping out the rest of the field by turn 1 in order to achieve it.

Truth is, the more you race a familiar crew, the more you get to know peoples racing styles & habits; how late they brake; over/understeer prefs. etc...

Getting to "know" your opponents on the track, makes this game rock. And GT5 IS... an awesome game.

I know we all love our Red Bulls & stealth GTR's & ALL the other exotica on offer, but why not level the playing field with one make, real world set-ups & hone "racing skills". For seasoned racers - & newbs like myself!

My suggestion for a 1 make race is Evo IXs for the combo of cheap, reasonable power & 4x4 (good fun - good for begin/inter too). Tuning restrictions as follows;

PP.486
MP.363bhp
W.1400kg
Tyres. RH
- SPORTS ONLY -
ECU
AIR FILTER - NO INLET MANIFOLD
EX. MANIFOLD
EXHAUST
CAT
FLYWHEEL
H-A SUSPENSION

NO OTHER MODS

STANDARD G.BOX
AYC
STANDARD DIFF.


It's all about skill & set-up guys - with a "real world" set-up. I've managed mid-low 1:34's at Seca @ CRAP_Casual. Wouldn't have a clue if that's any good... knock one up yourself & let me know!

Regards all. Sorry this is a big one!

"Go Hard".

 

[Tommy Repparc]

Sorry, got Weight wrong - unchanged @ 1410kg


+1 Johnnypenso/Heathenpride

 

[Johnnypenso]

Sorry, got Weight wrong - unchanged @ 1410kg


+1 Johnnypenso/Heathenpride

Interesting. You're in the C.R.A.P room. You're nick is the name of the guy that did not invent, but made popular the flush toilet. Thomas Crapper is the origin of the phrase, "Going to the crapper"...lol.

That my friend is a real C.R.A.P. name...lol.

 

[micantony]

My suggestion for a 1 make race is Evo IXs for the combo of cheap, reasonable power & 4x4 (good fun - good for begin/inter too). Tuning restrictions as follows;

PP.486
MP.363bhp
W.1410kg
Tyres. RH

do you get to that BHP with break in?

 

[Tommy Repparc]

Interesting. You're in the C.R.A.P room. You're nick is the name of the guy that did not invent, but made popular the flush toilet. Thomas Crapper is the origin of the phrase, "Going to the crapper"...lol.

That my friend is a real C.R.A.P. name...lol.

Thankyou Johnny - I... couldn't believe my luck.

"Like **** off a shovel", as my grandma used, to say.

At your service.

 

[Tommy Repparc]

do you get to that BHP with break in?

Yes. Oil change. Might've been a rebuild... God knows god luv her! (My Evo9)

Happy to share my set-up with my fellow crappers anyway, if anyone's interested?

Long live "fun"

 

[tris_73]

Alright, so I'm not going to quote everything that's happened since I went to sleep, but generally I agree with everything that's been said overnight.

Heathen, I don't think it's necessary to create another account to host any 'theme' races. If we are only going to be doing endurance races once a month, then at all other times both the enduro accounts could be utilised for the other scheduled events.

My suggestion for these events would be that the room is repurposed between specific times, particularly to cover the weekends across the globe. an example would be -

CRAP_Enduro_1
Friday 06:00 GMT - Monday 14:00 GMT (this covers from 18:00 Friday in New Zealand to 02:00 Monday in Hawaii)
GT300 Festival
15 lap races
Tracks to be selected by occupants of room, but should change after each race
Qualifying to be set at 15min
etc., etc.

Of course at all times the casual rooms can be used by the folk who want to do other stuff.

I do very much agree with the 'spirit' of races that has been mentioned several times over the last page or so. It's not overly cool to bring a detuned sherman tank to a spitball fight. This is why I've suggested a 5% limit on detuning for the Spa enduro in a few weeks.

By the way, none has said boo about my suggestions re the Spa race. ?? I'll add to my previous with a suggested time. Saturday 3rd December. Qualifying begins at 12:30 GMT, Green flag at 13:00 GMT. Restrictions as per my previous.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I do very much agree with the 'spirit' of races that has been mentioned several times over the last page or so. It's not overly cool to bring a detuned sherman tank to a spitball fight. This is why I've suggested a 5% limit on detuning for the Spa enduro in a few weeks.

Not a bad analogy. A more accurate analogy would be that someone said, "Hey there's a big engagment of our forces over that ridge, bring a tank, any tank, so long as it has two tracks and a turret." I showed up with an M1 Abrams because it's a really good"tank" and I wanted to win the battle, you guys decided to bring your WWII Shermans, also "tanks" just not quite as good. Next time pick a better tank or define the terms of engagement better.

 

[ken4228]

all these just because of some guy who brought a gun to a knife fight...

fun factor: -1
company: -2 persons

 

[tris_73]

Not a bad analogy. A more accurate analogy would be that someone said, "Hey there's a big engagment of our forces over that ridge, bring a tank, any tank, so long as it has two tracks and a turret." I showed up with an M1 Abrams because it's a really good"tank" and I wanted to win the battle, you guys decided to bring your WWII Shermans, also "tanks" just not quite as good. Next time pick a better tank or define the terms of engagement better.

Definitely, yes. In future the terms of engagement will be carved in stone tablets. Any deviation from said terms will be sacrificed by Heathenprides alter ego.....

 

[ethannz]

I like the idea of having our own portion of a website, it would make it much easier to keep tabs on upcoming events aswel as sharing photos etc. One thing though, is the club from the UK casual drivers or are they more serious than us?

 

[HP]

Not a bad analogy. A more accurate analogy would be that someone said, "Hey there's a big engagment of our forces over that ridge, bring a tank, any tank, so long as it has two tracks and a turret." I showed up with an M1 Abrams because it's a really good"tank" and I wanted to win the battle, you guys decided to bring your WWII Shermans, also "tanks" just not quite as good. Next time pick a better tank or define the terms of engagement better.

Next time we use the restrictions better = problem solved.

The whole thing was a misunderstanding and I take full responsibility for it, that is all that is to be said on the matter.

Of greater concern was the scandalous departure of motorsports favourite son Ken " The Singapore Slugga" 4228... His untimely egress shall forever be burned into my brain... "Ken? Ken? Keeeennnn?" I was heard to holler, and where was he? gone, gone from whence he came

I like the idea of having our own portion of a website, it would make it much easier to keep tabs on upcoming events aswel as sharing photos etc. One thing though, is the club from the UK casual drivers or are they more serious than us?

They are more serious but they have given their guarantee that we remain as we are... it works for them as they then get to attract those less serious part timers and one day those same drivers might want to step up to something more serious, when that happens they already have a place to go.

I am still not sure myself. I have many saying yes and many saying no plus there are my own thoughts as well. I think it has far more pro's than it does cons but I am uncertain if it would take the Casual out of C.R.A.P....

Speaking of our acronym, I actually just thought of a more appropriate meaning...CASUAL RACERS AIN'T PRO

 

[Johnnypenso]

all these just because of some guy who brought a gun to a knife fight...

fun factor: -1
company: -2 persons

No, all this because "some guy" explained it twice and everyone keeps piling on. Let it go, it's over, learn from it, move on. Onward and upward. I'm doing my best to make detailed, positive contributions to creating a flexible yet defined set of racing parameters so everyone can have an enjoyable racing experience.

You can always fly by the seat of your pants if that's what everyone chooses to do, if that's what the group is about then it is what it is. It's not my decision it's Heathen's decision ultimately, with input from the entire group. I just don't think it makes for good, close racing if people are making assumptions about what is expected in a certain race, when we have a wealth of clear, easily definable, easily enforcable paramaters at our disposal. In the future let's use the tools at hand to clearly define what kind of race we want, instead of assuming everyone will know, and everyone will dig through dozens of posts to look for a "possible" change in the race outline.

You know what happens when you assume...

Edit: I composed this Heathen, while you were posting. Thanks for that, and I hope it lays the whole thing to rest...👍👍

 

[HP]

I composed this Heathen, while you were posting. Thanks for that, and I hope it lays the whole thing to rest...👍👍

All good mate.

Now no one else say anything on it or I will send my ex-wife after you, and you don't want that trust me

 

[ken4228]

"Ken? Ken? Keeeennnn?" I was heard to holler, and where was he? gone, gone from whence he came

that was a touching moment there

 

[ken4228]

anyone in the casual room now?
i'm itching for some 5-10 laps races.