Creation vs. Evolution

[Strittan]

I have a slight problem with Richard Dawkins, in that he seems more convened with pricing creationists wrong that sane people right. Which means he can come across as a bit of an arse at times

I can agree with this as well. Although I agree with pretty much everything he says, he can be a little harsh saying it sometimes.

 

[Pyle_PMG]

I'd love to say this to him just to annoy him.^

Why are you even in this thread? It isn't the joke thread, its a serious discussion about creation versus evolution.

 

[TankAss95]

Why are you even in this thread? It isn't the joke thread, its a discussion about creation versus evolution.

Yet others joke about the ridiculousness of Christianity...

 

[wfooshee]

No, they point out the ridiculousness of an ancient myth being accepted and taught as scientific fact, when there is no science in it whatsoever.

 

[Joey D]

I have a slight problem with Richard Dawkins, in that he seems more convened with pricing creationists wrong that sane people right. Which means he can come across as a bit of an arse at times

I think his newer works are really guilty of this, I read The God Delusion and The Greatest Show on Earth and it was basically an all out attack on religion instead of really explaining the evidence.

 

[PeterJB]

I think his newer works are really guilty of this, I read The God Delusion and The Greatest Show on Earth and it was basically an all out attack on religion instead of really explaining the evidence.

I have always found his discussions with Alister McGrath to be very thought provoking. It's good how two people with wildly opposing opinions can have rational, respectful discussions with one another. Though he too can be very critical of Dawkins' views.

 

[Tic Tach]

I can agree with this as well. Although I agree with pretty much everything he says, he can be a little harsh saying it sometimes.

I disagree. When we consider other areas of discourse, like politics for example, we fully expect robust and at times heated debate, and even when it gets really heated, we accept that as an inherent part of it. But because religion has had a history of demanding "respect" and been sheltered from criticism, we've evolved into an environment of hyper-political correctness where it is considered "taboo" to challenge it, and so therefore, even the mildest public criticism of it appears harsh. I suggest that Dawkins is very polite and reasonable in all the footage and writings I've seen from him. Firm, but polite.

 

[Strittan]

I disagree. When we consider other areas of discourse, like politics for example, we fully expect robust and at times heated debate, and even when it gets really heated, we accept that as an inherent part of it. But because religion has had a history of demanding "respect" and been sheltered from criticism, we've evolved into an environment of hyper-political correctness where it is considered "taboo" to challenge it, and so therefore, even the mildest public criticism of it appears harsh. I suggest that Dawkins is very polite and reasonable in all the footage and writings I've seen from him. Firm, but polite.

Well, what can I say, other than, you're right. 👍



Note that Dawkins says he can not be sure there isn't a god. Also, gotta love Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins together, but that's me.

 

[TankAss95]

Well, what can I say, other than, you're right. 👍

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fUYUvvJiW0">YouTube Link</a>

Note that Dawkins says he can not be sure there isn't a god. Also, gotta love Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins together, but that's me.

Ah, the God Delusion by Clinton Richard Dawkins. Professor Michael Ruse, of Florida State University commentated on the book saying: "The 'God Delusion' makes me ashamed to be an atheist".

 

[PeterJB]

Ah, the God Delusion by Clinton Richard Dawkins. Professor Michael Ruse, of Florida State University commentated on the book saying: "The 'God Delusion' makes me ashamed to be an atheist".

The Dawkins Delusion was a pretty good retaliation I'd say.

 

[TankAss95]

The Dawkins Delusion was a pretty good retaliation I'd say.

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I haven't actually read the whole book but I have read passages along with responses both from a Christian and Atheist view. It seems like a book directed at a personal hate towards Christianity from Dawkins with very dangerous, hateful content. I'd rather not be apart of it by buying the book, but I might borrow it second hand. The thought if any of my money going towards a being with a heart filled with so much hate makes me feel physically sick.

 

[Tic Tach]

I haven't actually read the whole book but I have read passages along with responses both from a Christian and Atheist view. It seems like a book directed at a personal hate towards Christianity from Dawkins with very dangerous, hateful content. I'd rather not be apart of it by buying the book, but I might borrow it second hand. The thought if any of my money going towards a being with a heart filled with so much hate makes me feel physically sick.

I've read the entire book, and I find it surprising that anyone could make such a vacuous assertion that it's "filled with hate". But, this infantile reaction actually shouldn't come as a surprise, for it has become one of the standard cries of the theist when their security blanket is being tugged away.

Just look at this shocking statement from one of the biggest crybabies:


Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history. (Reverend Pat Robertson)

 

[Jimlaad43]

Evolution FTW.

I still think that if people are prepared to believe in creationism, they can.

 

[Pyle_PMG]

Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history. (Reverend Pat Robertson)

Christians aren't a even a minority in America ! What illegal substances is this guy on?

 

[Tic Tach]

 

[Schwartz]

LOL guys.
I thought we were talking about comparing the Mitsubishi Evo to another car. Anyway, I think evolution seems to make more logical sense than creation, but I respect other people's beliefs.

 

[Pyle_PMG]

That's literally how it is.

 

[Tic Tach]

I think evolution seems to make more logical sense than creation

It is true not by logical sense, but because it is supported by evidence; massive amounts of evidence.

Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. (Theodosius Dobzhansky)


Book.

....but I respect other people's beliefs.

If I held the position that the holocaust never happened, or that astrology should be made law as to how we live our lives, would you respect that? If not, why not?

 

[Tic Tach]

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[DK]

LOL guys.
I thought we were talking about comparing the Mitsubishi Evo to another car. Anyway, I think evolution seems to make more logical sense than creation, but I respect other people's beliefs.

I wonder...do fundamentalist Christians hate Mitsubishi? For some reason I can easily imagine Michelle Bachmann getting charged with attempting to set fire to a Mitsubishi dealership.

 

[Schwartz]

i wonder...do fundamentalist christians hate mitsubishi? For some reason i can easily imagine michelle bachmann getting charged with attempting to set fire to a mitsubishi dealership.

haha xd

 

[huskeR32]

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I haven't actually read the whole book but I have read passages along with responses both from a Christian and Atheist view. It seems like a book directed at a personal hate towards Christianity from Dawkins with very dangerous, hateful content. I'd rather not be apart of it by buying the book, but I might borrow it second hand. The thought if any of my money going towards a being with a heart filled with so much hate makes me feel physically sick.

It's getting really old hearing the claim that atheists (and any thoughts they have or books they write) are "filled with hate."

To be honest, what I really think is going on here is that when deists are faced with hard logic, they get really uncomfortable inside when they realize they can't quite reconcile their own beliefs to themselves anymore. To make it easier to deal with, they twist it all around and convince themselves they're being "hated" and "persecuted."

Most of the time, the farthest I've seen atheists go with their comments is to say that it's illogical/irrational to believe in god. Very rarely do they outright call a believer stupid. The fact that the believer often feels that implication is, in my estimation, a reflection of the unrest that the believer has inside when faced with logical reasons why their cherished beliefs may be wrong.

 

[Pyle_PMG]

I wonder...do fundamentalist Christians hate Mitsubishi? For some reason I can easily imagine Michelle Bachmann getting charged with attempting to set fire to a Mitsubishi dealership.

Kia seems more likely...

 

[Joel]

Kia seems more likely...

...You did get the whole "Evolution" Mitsubishi joke, right?

 

[Slash]

I think you should believe in what you want. I personally don't have a set religion, but I do believe that something happened and from there organisms evolved into what we now call humans. I don't think that a dude just randomly appeared from nothingness and said "Let there be humans" and then they came..However I don't think that we came from a massive explosion and were just here. I think that something did happen, not sure what, but it led to the right conditions for life to be formed and went from there.

 

[Strittan]

However I don't think that we came from a massive explosion and were just here.

Of course, we weren't just here over a night. It has taken over 13 billion years since the explosion to get us to where we are now.

 

[Pyle_PMG]

@Noob616: Yes, I got the joke. I was being random. Pardon my ADHD, and tiredness. I'm about as mentally sharp as a butterknife this week (got the symptoms of the flu, went to school anyway).

 

[Goruk]

I'm not racist by any means, just think this was funny for this thread.

 

[Encyclopedia]

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I haven't actually read the whole book but I have read passages along with responses both from a Christian and Atheist view. It seems like a book directed at a personal hate towards Christianity from Dawkins with very dangerous, hateful content. I'd rather not be apart of it by buying the book, but I might borrow it second hand. The thought if any of my money going towards a being with a heart filled with so much hate makes me feel physically sick.

Granted, I haven't come very far in the book yet but, hateful? Critisism is not the same as hate. Dawkins has never once come a cross as hateful to me. Blunt perhaps, but never hateful. People have come a cross as extremely hateful towards him though.

 

[TankAss95]

Granted, I haven't come very far in the book yet but, hateful? Critisism is not the same as hate. Dawkins has never once come a cross as hateful to me. Blunt perhaps, but never hateful. People have come a cross as extremely hateful towards him though.

Yeah maybe hate was too strong a word to use but I he is very aggressive in the way that he writes. I've never saw a person hate Dawkins, but I've saw people showing a lack of respect towards him, which I think is a justifiable act to do.