Current PSN outage: Don't abuse or we lose this thread.

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I think a lot of people are missing the point. In the US the "hackers" have everything they need to open a line of credit in your name except one set of numbers. Basically it would be a free way to get credit. Yes you can despute all you like, claim fraudulant transaction, etc. However any transaction that occurs in your name will hit your credit report and stick for 7 years in the US. Takes that long assuming nothing else pops up in the meantime.
 
Anyone that has a PSN account that somehow gets credit card fraud now are going to blame it on Sony. Just how people are.
 
These Law suits will only harm us regular users ,I can easily see Sony using that as an excuse to make PSN a Paying service
 
Ars readers report credit card fraud, blame Sony

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...blame-sony.ars

Although no concrete correlation has been made, it never hurts to be too cautious concerning ID theft, CC info.

The link that you provided doesn't seem to work. Anyway, hopefully this one will:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/ars-readers-report-credit-card-fraud-blame-sony.ars

"While the PlayStation Network remains down, you can do a search for past e-mails from Sony, sent when you've added funds to your account; this will tell you what credit card you have on file—and that's the card you need to be concerned about."

My last purchase was on March 18, 2010 (Borderlands DLC), and we closed out the card that I used at that time in late 2010. So I personally am not worried about my present credit card being compromised....at least I think that I am not.
 
I can't wait until this is taken care of. The bickering is becoming a bit of a nuisance. All the speculation is just apalling, really. Just calm down please..thanks! :)
 
It seems that one of the fools hacking with the CFW actually made a video of it. It was removed from youtube but not before someone grabbed their information.

"His IP address is/was 79.18.72.203"

"And his PS3 has the MAC address: 00:1F:A7:24:C6:03 (a hardware vendor lookup confirms this as being a 'Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.' device)."

The source for the above info can be found here.
http://www.reddit.com/r/PS3/comments/gxw0v/here_is_a_video_of_the_rebug_psn_hack_in_action/


Also, here is a link to the lawsuit in PDF format. Quite a read indeed.
http://www.techfirm.com/storage/JohnsvSony-Complaint-FINAL.pdf

A link to the above info can be found here.
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/712190/psn-class-action-lawsuit-filed/
 
Just curious, anyone actually receive their Sony notification email(s) yet? None for me at either of my 2 accounts.
 
My issue is with Sony's PR. I have had my PS3 unable to log on to PSN for days now, but until last night only heard rumors as to what the issue was. Last night on Attack of the Show the beautiful Sara Underwood said in the Feed that the PSN was hacked and that the hackers had access to our usernames, passwords, address, and credit card info. Just a minute ago Shepard Smith from Fox news said the this was the largest digital data breaches in history, with hackers stealing 77 million users information including credit card info!


I wish I was kidding, there is even an Alabama man suing Sony already for not protecting, and informing its customers. I can't believe that I haven't got even an E-mail about what I should do from Sony. The news channels advise canceling the cards. Sony should be reaching out to the customers right now to inform us of what is going on, what exactly happened and when it will be safe to sign in and put another credit card on the PSN.


I guess PD got their tight lips from Sony. So is Sony stupid for not communicating with its customers this very serious data breach? If Sony has my credit card number in their servers when it gets stolen don't they have a responsibility to inform the customers in a timely manner? What do you guys think?
 
Just curious, anyone actually receive their Sony notification email(s) yet? None for me at either of my 2 accounts.

I got one last night.

Edit: @ ChadSpeed, read this thread. You are way behind on everything.
 
I was foolish enough to use my credit card on PSN. So far so good, no dodgy transactions yet. Suffice to say I won't ever be trusting Sony again. I saw the UK government is looking into whether any of the CC data was stored in the UK, if so Sony's up for a 500,000 pound fine.

I would cancel my CC, but I'm heading to NYC for business next week, and will need it. I think I will cancel it when I get back, better safe than sorry. Still no email from Sony.
 
I got the email several hours ago. Thankfully I have never had CC on my PSNs, only cards.

I'm actually glad PSN is down because it has "given" me time to work on my graduation project. I do miss it terribly and ache for some chat and racing...
 
I think this one is new, peoples (not that it particularly says much):

First off, we want to again thank you for your patience. We know that the PlayStation Network and Qriocity outage has been frustrating for you. We know you are upset, and so we are taking steps to make our services safer and more secure than ever before. We sincerely regret any inconvenience or concern this outage has caused, and rest assured that we’re going to get the services back online as quickly as we can.

We received a number of questions and comments yesterday and early today relating to the criminal intrusion into our network. We’d like to address some of the most common questions today.

We are also going to continue to post updates to this blog with any additional information and insight that we can over the next few days.

We are reading your comments. We are listening to your suggestions. Please keep them coming.

Thank you.

Q: Are you working with law enforcement on this matter?
A: Yes, we are currently working with law enforcement on this matter as well as a recognised technology security firm and local law enforcement to conduct a complete investigation. This criminal attack against our system and against our customers is a criminal act and we are proceeding aggressively to find those responsible.

Q: Was my personal data encrypted?
A: All of the data was protected, and access was restricted both physically and through the perimeter and security of the network. The entire credit card table was encrypted and we have no evidence that credit card data was taken. The personal data table, which is a separate data set, was not encrypted, but was, of course, behind a very sophisticated security system that was breached in a malicious attack.

Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained. Keep in mind, however, that your credit card security code (sometimes called a CVC or CSC number) has not been obtained because we never requested it from anyone who has joined the PlayStation Network or Qriocity, and is therefore not stored anywhere in our system.

Q: What steps should I take at this point to help protect my personal data?
A: For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email, asking for your credit card number or other personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information, you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well.

To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account statements and to monitor your statements.

Q: What if I don’t know which credit card I’ve got attached to my PlayStation Network account?
A: If you’ve added funds to your PlayStation Network wallet in the past, you should have received a confirmation email from “DoNotReply@ac.playstation.net” at the email address associated with your account. This email would have been sent to you immediately after you added the funds, and will contain the first four digits and last four digits of your credit card number. You can also check your previous credit card statements to determine which card was attached to your PlayStation Network or Qriocity accounts.

Q: When or how can I change my PlayStation Network password?
A: We are working on a new system software update that will require all users to change their password once PlayStation Network is restored. We will provide more details about the new update shortly.

Q: Have all PlayStation Network and Qriocity users been notified of the situation?
A: In addition to alerting the media and posting information about it on this blog, we have also been sending emails directly to all 77 million registered accounts. It takes a bit of time to send that many emails, and not every email will still be active, but this process has been underway since yesterday. At this time, the majority of emails have been sent and we anticipate that all registered accounts will have received notifications by April 28th. Consumers may also visit uk.playstation.com/psnoutage and www.qriocity.com for notices regarding this issue. In addition, we have taken steps to disseminate information regarding this issue to media outlets so that consumers are informed.

Q: What steps is Sony taking to protect my personal data in the future?
A: We’ve taken several immediate steps to add protections for your personal data. First, we temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services and, second, we are enhancing security and strengthening our network infrastructure. Moving forward, we are initiating several measures that will significantly enhance all aspects of PlayStation Network’s security and your personal data, including moving our network infrastructure and data center to a new, more secure location, which is already underway. We will provide additional information on these measures shortly.

Q: Has Sony identified the party or parties responsible for the PlayStation Network hack and subsequent theft of personal information?
A: We are currently conducting a thorough investigation of the situation and are working closely with a recognised technology security firm in order to find those responsible for this criminal act, no matter where in the world they might be located.

Q: When will the PlayStation Network and Qriocity be back online?
A: Our employees have been working day and night to restore operations as quickly as possible, and we expect to have some services up and running within a week from yesterday. However, we want to be very clear that we will only restore operations when we are confident that the network is secure.
 
I too am disturbed by the lack of contact from Sony. I most recently made a purchase when that First Strike map pack came out for COD. That was in February or March. I am not really concerned about the cc being stolen, but the lack of public relations is reason for concern. This outage and lack of reaction by Sony is definitely going to have a major impact on the next console I purchase. This is enough of a f-up to destroy the Playstation brand.
 
Looks like credit card data was encrypted after all. Still kind of uncomfortable because it's no guarantee it won't be accessed, but there's no much reason to keep worrying about it now.
 
Guys, I think you all need to chill, relax and don't worry. The odds of YOUR account being compromised is probably quite low.
 
Probably too long to quote fully, but I think this article at Eurogamer.net is right on the mark regarding Sony's communications failures:
PSN: The PR Disaster - Opinion

In Part:
That means it took Sony an astonishing nine days from the initial attack (which it says it didn't notice until the 19th) to inform its customers that their personal and banking details could have been nicked.

After days of urging "patience", an out-of-blue admission of stolen data and panic warnings of "identity theft" and "financial loss".

The fallout from this revelation has reverberated around the globe, making PlayStation front page news for all the wrong reasons. And whether fair or not, the impression left is one of a company that has failed to come clean soon enough; that cannot be trusted to handle sensitive information; and that, in the middle of a crisis, fails badly to communicate with its customer base.

After fumbling the issue while the flow of information was within its control, the story now risks developing too quickly for Sony to keep up. While it ponders its next move, security experts, credit agencies, banks, public watchdogs, journalists and, of course, consumers line up to talk to the media about the severity of a situation in which so much is still unknown.

When did Sony first realise users' personal data had been compromised? If the company takes "information protection very seriously", why weren't the "additional measures" it is promising already in place?

What was the original security arrangement? Will the rebuilt system become more secure than is standard or simply brought in line with comparable services? Were, as speculation suggests, details held in unencrypted form? If so, why?

Who is the "outside help" brought in and at what point? If there is indeed a "clear path" for restoring "some services within a week", which ones?


"Some are already calling this Sony's "Deepwater Horizon moment"."

It's important not to lose sight of the fact that the real villains here are the hackers, depriving gamers of access to PSN and causing major harm to Sony's reputation.

And I must spare a thought for PlayStation's UK PR team, which has endured a torrid few days while forced to rely on US-led updates to filter through – a strategy that has so far proved calamitous for the company.

Some are already calling this Sony's "Deepwater Horizon moment", in reference to the oil rig explosion and the subsequent handling of it by BP that caused the company's reputation so much damage.

Even Max Clifford wouldn't be able to put a positive spin on the present PSN fiasco. But Sony's response so far betrays a worrying short-sightedness over how information – and, equally, misinformation – spreads in the age of the social network.

Treating the issue as a one-way conversation meant Sony was never in control of it. And failing to prepare users, after a week of uncertainty, for last night's startling admission only served to magnify its negative impact.

All of which means, when Sony attempts to clarify the reasons for the lack of communication, as far as the momentum of the story is concerned, it's too little, too late.

Technical problems aside, Sony now has a mountain to climb to rebuild trust in its online services once they're switched back on. And that process can only begin once it starts engaging openly and transparently with the millions of PlayStation fans still wondering exactly how this happened.
 
This is enough of a f-up to destroy the Playstation brand.

Maybe for some people. Not for me. I'd really like to see how people act when MICROSOFT has an intrusion in their xbox live system. THAT would be a tight-lipped affair to be sure. I mean honestly with law enforcement involved that might be part of the reason things have been slow to come out. You can't just spill everything involved in a criminal case to the public without being prudent and careful, and I have no reason yet to disbelieve Sony when they say they waited for their security firm to discover what info was taken or could be taken.

I find the idea of suing someone over this disgusting, whether it's Sony suing GeoHot or the other way around. It's the American response to everything. Money! *self-induced vomit.

Sony immediately shut down PSN to the chagrin and possible loss of many of its customers, because it wanted to contain this intrusion. It immediately hired a security firm and opened a criminal investigation. It was a little slow on informing its users about potential risks, but they covered the reason for that also. I honestly don't know what else people want. Just my opinion, and no one has to agree with me. I know it's a complex issue for many of us.
 
I am not really concerned about the cc being stolen, but the lack of public relations is reason for concern. This outage and lack of reaction by Sony is definitely going to have a major impact on the next console I purchase.

We've gotten updates from the for the last few days in a row. I think they're doing just fine.

I mean honestly with law enforcement involved that might be part of the reason things have been slow to come out. You can't just spill everything involved in a criminal case to the public without being prudent and careful, and I have no reason yet to disbelieve Sony when they say they waited for their security firm to discover what info was taken or could be taken.

Bingo!!!!
 
I'd have let my B-Spec drivers do all the money gathering in GT5, but sadly they are all online.

I'm at little to no risk as I don't have any credit card info on my PSN. Good luck to those of us who do and are at risk.
 
I agree with the previous two posts stating that with law enforcement involvement everything moves slower. Sony has given updates for the past few days and has explained as much as legally possible to the general public up to this point. We "the general public" had the classic "knee jerk" reaction of blaming anyone and everyone of doing something wrong as fast as we could because that is just the way society is nowadays. I say we all just take a step back, watch and listen and things should work out. If you wanna blame someone blame the hackers for all the trouble, they are truly the problem.
 
Lets forget for a moment of who might be the blame for this and who's fault it is and why was it done...What will be the final outcome??....I have heard (and Im sure you have to) "Im selling the PS3 and going to Xbox only"..My opinion this is probably some part of "fanboys" gigging at Sony for thiis. But lets face it, this is a big kick in the groin for Sony. Will this be the end for the PSN??...Espicialy since you just release SOCOM.....

I own both a PS3 and a Xbox, and I know that Microsoft is not above being hacked.
 
When the system comes back online, and you create you new ID, can your saved game information be transferred to it? I mean you will have to create a new password and ID you know.
 
The bottom line is, Sony have treated everyone like idiots from day 1.

No they haven't. Just because they didn't tell us everything we wanted to know doesn't mean they treated us like idiots. Some people take these things way too seriously. I can understand being upset about CC information being potentially stolen (although, it seems like that isn't the case) but other than that I think everyone is being dramatic. I'd much rather have Sony take PSN down for a week or two to strengthen security and whatever else than have it in a state in which it is easily hacked.

My Vectrex has been getting some more playtime since PSN has been down though, and that's always a good thing. 👍
 
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