Current PSN outage: Don't abuse or we lose this thread.

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R1600Turbo
Actually that's not fact, because we don't know if the hackers actually took anything.
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arora
It's fact, I've seen yt vids of clowns doing it đź‘Ť
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And I've removed Youtube videos of it that clowns have posted here.

STIG_RS6
The amount of time it took them to tell people (by blog) that their credit card details may be at risk is scandalous.
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17-19th April: Potential breach occurred
20th April: Sony become aware of breach, shut off PSN; External security company hired
26th April: External security company report on extent and nature of breach to Sony
26th April: Sony report extent and nature of breach in a worst-case scenario to customers

Scandalous.
 
Scaff
In essence you entire reply seems to be saying that if anything is stolen its the fault of the person it was stolen from, given that I assume your savings are all under the bed, because even those bank vaults can't stop everything.

Joking aside, are you seriously saying that you can't see the lack on reality in making such a narrow statement?


Scaff
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What I'm saying is that if someone robs the bank that my money is in, I expect the bank to be responsible for seeing that I get my money bank, not the person that stole it. i expect the person that stole it, to go to jail.
 
@Stig - The length of time is really here nor there. Take steps to protect yourself by changing passwords at other accounts with the same user name (or linked in anyway) and password. Good practise there anyway. Cancel any cards linked to the account or inform the issuer and follow their advice.

Keep in mind in 2009 there were 85,000 reported cases (source: CIFAS) of ID theft in the UK each year so the risk isn't huge BUT trying to sort out the mess if it does happen to you is an annoying and long winded task.

Sensible precautions.

"Don't panic mr mainwaring".

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Famine
17-19th April: Potential breach occurred
20th April: Sony become aware of breach, shut off PSN; External security company hired
26th April: External security company report on extent and nature of breach to Sony
26th April: Sony report extent and nature of breach in a worst-case scenario to customers

Scandalous.
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I will say I am suspicious of one thing. And call me crazy, but I don't suspect this kind of thing often, so I feel like seeing how this plays out before making a final judge. But I wonder if the intrusion was as they make it sound. Or was it because the public image battle was halfway in favor of Anon here? Could this be a PR attempt to turn Anon from the public image of freedom fighters (I suggest a cyber-terrorism label might be more fitting) to straight out identity thieves?

I only say that because places I have used my credit card with in the past have had security breaches, but before they even knew what information was taken my bank was notified and I had a new card.

From past experience with this sort of thing I have to think that Sony has either lied about the intrusion as another move in their copyright battle or have not done the best they could to protect my identity from being stolen due to a security issue on their end. Were this a gas station or department store I would have had a new card by now.

Disclaimer: I do not support the actions of anonymous now or previously, I do not support piracy, and I believe that IP and copyrights are important to the functioning of a marketplace, but go too far sometimes. I do believe that current attempts to protect copyright and IP do far more to hinder my enjoyment of a product than it does to prevent piracy, and as such do not purchase products which use such restrictive processes.
 
Famine
17-19th April: Potential breach occurred
20th April: Sony become aware of breach, shut off PSN; External security company hired
26th April: External security company report on extent and nature of breach to Sony
26th April: Sony report extent and nature of breach in a worst-case scenario to customers

Scandalous.
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It's quite more complicated than that. I'll be really surprised if sony indeed only realized what happened on the 26th. It's fairly reasonable to consider they suspected it before but only got confirmation on the 26th. And I think this is what's bothering people. If they had an idea it was possible such sensible data was compromised, they should tell people immediately, not wait for a 6 day investigation and only then spill the beans.

But hey, maybe they really truly were completely and absolutely clueless about what happened until yesterday. Yeah, that sounds a lot more reasonable :rolleyes:
 
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arora
I recieved an email last night, basically said the same thing as the blog.
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Ditto.

Leadpaint
Sony Sued for PSN Security Breach!

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/116/1164392p1.html

:scared:
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The first comment on that page says it all.

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Dravonic
If they had an idea it was possible such sensible data was compromised, they should tell people immediately, not wait for a 6 day investigation and only then spill the beans.
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What I would like to know is, even if they did say something right away, is there really anything that anyone could do about it? Probably not, so why the big fuss?
 
Famine
And I've removed Youtube videos of it that clowns have posted here.



17-19th April: Potential breach occurred
20th April: Sony become aware of breach, shut off PSN; External security company hired
26th April: External security company report on extent and nature of breach to Sony
26th April: Sony report extent and nature of breach in a worst-case scenario to customers

Scandalous.
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Well, speaking of these things only in relation to the psn being down.

You say potential breach occurred 17-19th, I guess that depends on which breach? They have been using a few ways to infultrate the psn store, I've seen 3 methods and the first being uploaded on yt on the 31st. Or is the breach you speak of strictly related to personal info?
 
Famine
17-19th April: Potential breach occurred
20th April: Sony become aware of breach, shut off PSN; External security company hired
26th April: External security company report on extent and nature of breach to Sony
26th April: Sony report extent and nature of breach in a worst-case scenario to customers

Scandalous.
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So a timeline of the events leading up to today. Thanks for that!
 
R1600Turbo
What I would like to know is, even if they did say something right away, is there really anything that anyone could do about it? Probably not, so why the big fuss?
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Yes, see my earlier post. I have had companies I use hacked before and I had a new card from my bank in this amount of time.
 
R1600Turbo
What I would like to know is, even if they did say something right away, is there really anything that anyone could do about it? Probably not, so why the big fuss?
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You see, some people actually care about their privacy and safety.

All information I have there is false (can you blame me?), except for my credit card because you see, while it's safer to use someone else's, I'm not a thief. Would I like a heads up before, so I could get a new one just a few days latter and make sure I was safe, even if after the 6 day investigation it turned out no info was stolen? Yep, I would. Not sure why anyone would not like to.
 
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My credit card was used yesterday to open an account with a major online retailer without my authorization or consent. I don't know for sure that the information was obtained due to the PSN breach but I have a pretty good idea that is how it went down. Protect yourself and contact your bank if you have info on the PSN from past purchases or through netflix. From now on I will only use PSN cards do my Netflix billing through their site. I have learned from my mistake and hope that my warning will help others do the same.
 
Ahhh, lawyers, always circling like vultures when they smell cash. :D I think Sony anticipated this though. ;)
 
Dravonic
It's quite more complicated than that. I'll be really surprised if sony indeed only realized what happened on the 26th. It's fairly reasonable to consider they suspected it before but only got confirmation on the 26th. And I think this is what's bothering people. If they had an idea it was possible such sensible data was compromised, they should tell people immediately, not wait for a 6 day investigation and only then spill the beans.
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Someone discovers a near-Earth asteroid with a potential collision course. Do they immediately tell the public they should be prepared for Deep Impact, or do they get confirmation first?

Sony discovered "a breach" which may have had consequences for genuine account holders. They didn't tell everyone the potential extent of it until they had confirmation - and they still don't, as it happens. They're just saying that account information may be compromised and, though they don't think so, credit card data too.

arora
You say potential breach occurred 17-19th, I guess that depends on which breach?
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That's for Sony to say, not me. If you're aware of Rebug being used before Sony's stated "breach" date, it may be that Rebug is either wholly unrelated or not, of itself, directly related. But the above is their stated timeline.


Personally, I've cycled all my passwords (you should do this regularly anyway) except my PSN ones which I can't currently get to and, otherwise, I remain unmoved.
 
Dravonic
You see, some people actually care about their privacy and safety.
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I do as well, but I'm going to sit this one out until I see something that is out of place before I go too far. I've only changed my bank account password, no need to change anything else.

Edit: Considering they could have over 75 million people's information, the chances of them using mine are very slim.
 
Famine
Someone discovers a near-Earth asteroid with a potential collision course. Do they immediately tell the public they should be prepared for Deep Impact, or do they get confirmation first?

Sony discovered "a breach" which may have had consequences for genuine account holders. They didn't tell everyone the potential extent of it until they had confirmation - and they still don't, as it happens. They're just saying that account information may be compromised and, though they don't think so, credit card data too.
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Without going into the metaphor, which is somewhat misleading, this is exactly my point. However for some reason you see the same situation differently. To me, if sensible information may have been compromised, you should tell people right away: "look, the servers were breached, it's possible they got your CC info. We don't know yet, we are looking into it". Then amend the information with the results of the investigation later. If it turns out nothing really happened, I got a new card for nothing. But hey, all the better.

Or would you rather hear about it after they made an initial investigation (which as we can see is just a confirmation of some the obvious suspicions), in which case if the worst really happened, it might be too late to do anything?
 
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STIG_RS6
Sorry but I disagree, my account COULD have been emptied in this time frame.
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We (and by all accounts Sony!) don't even know for sure if CC information was compromised.

Regardless, given the size of the DB and the uncleansed nature of the data in it you would need to be pretty unlucky to suffer direct credit card fraud and even more unlucky for it not to be caught by your card issuer. That's not to say some won't be. Unlucky that is.

Just take sensible precautions and cancel your card, there's no reason not too. You're out of a card for 3 - 5 days, if that's an issue go to the cash point first. : )

If malicious, value driven hackers had worked out a zero day vunerability which gave them access to the records on a 70 million + database of customer details, credit card details are a fairly short term view in terms of what is 'valuable'. If only one fifth of that data is correct, that's a lot of data to throw at social engineering scams.

I think my feelings about the whole issue go a little some'fink like..... Sony dropped the security ball big style, malicious hackers suck, change passwords, watch credit carefully, GT5 without online isn't as much fun and pancakes rule.

/blah
 
Famine
That's for Sony to say, not me. If you're aware of Rebug being used before Sony's stated "breach" date, it may be that Rebug is either wholly unrelated or not, of itself, directly related. But the above is their stated timeline.
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Right, we don't have all the info yet unfortunatly. I'm not going to rant my conspiracy theories just yet :lol: A few more dates to put in the timeline..

On April 1, 2011, Sony Computer
Entertainment America LLC ("SCEA")
will transfer its online services
operations, including your wallet
and the funds in it, to Sony Network
Entertainment America Inc. ("SNEA").

From an email I recieved, and then there is the anon ddos deal which was what on April 6th?

I think it's time for a tin foil hat.
 
t_w_a_h
I think my feelings about the whole issue go a little somethink like..... Sony dropped the security ball big style, malicious hackers suck, change passwords, watch credit carefully, GT5 without online isn't as much fun and pancakes rule.

/blah
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Post of the day! :dopey:
 
Dravonic
Without going into the metaphor, which is somewhat misleading, this is exactly my point. However for some reason you see the same situation differently. To me, if sensible information may have been compromised, you should tell people right away: "look, the servers were breached, it's possible they got your CC info. We don't know yet, we are looking into it". Then amend the information with the results of the investigation later. If it turns out nothing really happened, I got a new card for nothing. But hey, all the better.

Or would you rather hear about it after they made an initial investigation (which as we can see is just a confirmation of some the obvious suspicions), in which case if the worst really happened, it might be too late to do anything?
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There's no need to panic - or cause panic - until there's a need to panic.

Even now, where they're saying that the asteroid is, you know, pretty 🤬 close to be honest, I literally couldn't possibly care less* - if my data's been lifted, it was lifted before PSN was taken down. There's no sense fretting about it now. Any fraudulent transactions will be picked up by the simple act of looking at my statement (online... ohnoes!). Other details are incidental and can be plucked from a WHOIS by someone with an IQ above that of a glass of carrotjuice (also, like Scaff, Laguna Seca raceway and Mazda's Japanese headquarters are going to get some hilarious phishing scams over the next few days).


*Qualifier: I'm talking about it on an internet site vaguely connected to it. I'm sure I could possibly care less - like the same amount of care I have for the Royal Wedding, which I haven't even posted about in the thread for posting about it. But it comes in somewhere below wondering which hand I should itch my testicles with.
 
As far as I am aware Sony have only stated they think that some data may have been stolen and as a precaution to change passwords if they seem to be similar or the same as your PSN ID.

"It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained." - Sony

May is a huge word, they are not confirming this has been stolen but its possible as the Hacker/s could have been in systems containing the information. So as a safeguard they have suggested people keep there other accounts elsewhere safe by changing passwords.

They also stated this on the Debi/Credit card issue

"While there is no evidence that credit card data was taken at this time, we cannot rule out the possibility." - Sony

So yes Sony have been caught with their pants down and spanked hard, but people making a mountain out of a molehill is ridicules to see. Change passwords and at the extreme advise your bank to change your card. As for other things like name and address, most of the data is available in allot of places.

"If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, to be on the safe side we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may also have been obtained." - Sony

Again with the word may, it is possible that none of your data is missing or stolen and we can all go back to our daily lives, but instead Sony have aired on the side of caution and asked you all to be vigilant. I have now changed all my passwords that were similar or same to what was used for my PSN account.


All quotes came from bbc.co.uk/news and they quoted the Sony statement on thier blog.
 
If your e-mail linked to your psn account has the same password as your psn account then change the password cause otherwise they might get more details off other websites that u use
 
Famine
There's no need to panic - or cause panic - until there's a need to panic.

Even now, where they're saying that the asteroid is, you know, pretty 🤬 close to be honest, I literally couldn't possibly care less* - if my data's been lifted, it was lifted before PSN was taken down. There's no sense fretting about it now. Any fraudulent transactions will be picked up by the simple act of looking at my statement (online... ohnoes!). Other details are incidental and can be plucked from a WHOIS by someone with an IQ above that of a glass of carrotjuice (also, like Scaff, Laguna Seca raceway and Mazda's Japanese headquarters are going to get some hilarious phishing scams over the next few days).


*Qualifier: I'm talking about it on an internet site vaguely connected to it. I'm sure I could possibly care less - like the same amount of care I have for the Royal Wedding, which I haven't even posted about in the thread for posting about it. But it comes in somewhere below wondering which hand I should itch my testicles with.
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I guess it boils down to each individual's personality then. I'm more of a preventive kind. So I normally rather know about these kinds of situations early on, while I can still try to prevent a problem. I can't be the only one.
 

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