Current PSN outage: Don't abuse or we lose this thread.

[SmokingCones]

Honestly, I don't care about hackers stealing my private data.

They have my cc info?
Wish them good luck if they dare to use it. Even if they do, my bank company would take care of everything for free. I wouldn't even notice.

They have my e-mail adress?
So what? If I'm getting spams or whatever, I'd just get a new one. Takes less than 5 minutes. Minor annoyance.

They have my street adress?
What they gonna do? Send me a bullet, a dead animal, some kind of exploding device? No way this gonna happen.


I could be wrong, but from the hackers perspective it's more about We did it (screw the DB of a major company) than We'll use it (stolen data).

Just my .02 cts.

 

[Scaff]

For me, they have done too little far too late. Anyone who is not _considering_ a move away from Sony and the PS3 right now in my opinion is crackers.

Colour me crackers then.

This can potentially happen to any organisation and to be blunt while Sony may have handled this far from ideally its certainly not the end of the world.

Hell some dolt at the building society I have my mortgage with lost a laptop with the entire database on it and they never bothered doing a damn thing for three weeks. Didn't feel the need to run away and hide then, and I certainly don't plan to with this.

Hell the following warning was given regarding Live today:

There’s a Service Alert for ‘matchmaking’ on the official site, that says users “may experience difficulties” regarding Modern Warfare 2. Apparently there are “potential phishing attempts via title specific messaging” so be aware if you’re playing that game.

“We are aware of the problem and are working to resolve the issue,” say Microsoft. “We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your patience.”

Source - http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/04/27/xbox-live-gets-service-alert-warning/
Source - http://support.xbox.com/en-gb/Pages/xbox-live/xbox-live-status.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0

In addition 'something' happened on Live today that let banned (modded) machines back on Live for a short while, causing some to speculate that MS is checking its own security or that they are under attack as well. As MS are not commenting on it, its just speculation and rumour right now.

Microsoft appears to have temporarily lifted the Xbox Live ban on people who own a modified Xbox 360.

Reports on NeoGAF and Xbox-Scene show that applicable gamers were, for a short time, able to log back into Xbox Live.

That privilege now seems to have, once more, been revoked.

Why did this happen?

Nobody knows. The popular consensus is that it was a result of Microsoft testing its own security in the wake of the entire PlayStation Network being compromised.

However, some people also suggest it is because Xbox Live, too, has been breached.

The Xbox Live Status page shows only a Service Alert for Matchmaking; Xbox Live, Xbox Live Marketplace and Account are all green-ticked.

Microsoft was unavailable for comment.

Source - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-04-27-xbox-live-accounts-un-banned


Will not stop me going on my 360 and once PSN is back up it will not stop me going on that. The very reason why I use a credit card on it and not a debit card is in case something like this happens. With a credit card I'm not liable for it.


Scaff

 

[bevo]

I'm not exactly sure you can put all of the blame on sony, with enough resources anyone can get hacked since no network is fully secure. Though there is no proof that information was stolen (credit card information) i'm not sure what else they can do

I say all the blame is sony's. Sony is the comapny who requires the information about us that was given to them. So if that information is stolen it is sonys fault. If you can't properly protect the info that you demand, then don't demand any personal info from people.

 

[Scaff]

I say all the blame is sony's.

So you absolve the people who stole it of any responsibility?


Scaff

 

[Starfirebird]

If you've never used your Credit/Debit card to make a cash transaction on PSN then you should be fine. You don't need to enter your card details when you create your PSN account either.

Thanks for the info 👍

 

[Toronto122]

The very reason why I use a credit card on it and not a debit card is in case something like this happens. With a credit card I'm not liable for it.


Scaff

Actually, same goes for debit card...MOST debit cards that I know of carry similar (and sometimes better) insurance and protection than a credit card.

I bought some fairly expensive sunglasses once, as i was walking into the bank the day after I bought them, I dropped them and the broke. The bank asked me for the receipt, told me to buy a new pair, bring in the receipt, and put the money back in my account. Don't ask how they broke...it was my stupidity.

All the best to the staff at Sony while trying to figure this out.

 

[arora]

The first YT vid I saw of someone using the rebug to gain access to a psn dev account was uploaded on 4/1. If that was before Sony knew I'm not sure but they must have found out shortly after, not 2 or 3 weeks later.

I've not been able to find weither that hack could be used to obtain personal info or not. I'm no expert but I think rebug was used to rip off the psn store using a dev account over anything else.

EDIT: sorry 'rebug' silly hacker code lol.

 

[E28]

Colour me crackers then.

Add me to the crackers list too. Why? Lets say I traded my PS3 in and bought an XBOX 360 because XBL is a subscription service and is therefore perfectly secur- Oh wait, XBL has been hacked to. Add this to the fact a gaming PC is too expensive and all my friends have a PS3 and you recieve someone sticking whith Sony!

 

[Moglet]

Honestly, I don't care about hackers stealing my private data.

They have my cc info?
Wish them good luck if they dare to use it. Even if they do, my bank company would take care of everything for free. I wouldn't even notice.

They have my e-mail adress?
So what? If I'm getting spams or whatever, I'd just get a new one. Takes less than 5 minutes. Minor annoyance.

They have my street adress?
What they gonna do? Send me a bullet, a dead animal, some kind of exploding device? No way this gonna happen.


I could be wrong, but from the hackers perspective it's more about We did it (screw the DB of a major company) than We'll use it (stolen data).

Just my .02 cts.

You do realise that they could steal your entire identity, right? They wouldn't be using your address and details to visit you, they would use it to pretend to be you. Then go off taking out contracts, finance etc. in your name.

Don't think you won't be affected, identity theft is huge business nowadays.

 

[Stunt Drifter]

Let's say among one of the first announcements, Sony notifies users that with internal intrustions personal data may have been stolen. Think of all the irrationalization that would follow suit, just like now for instance. & Then they come to Day 6 and say, "Oh, well it seems we may have misinformed you, the attacks were only to the server and no personal data was received" (This is all FOR INSTANCE) How do the mass honestly think they would react to that. "Sony's just full of a bunch of liars and misleading bozo's" well, see, it wouldn't have been a smart move. People complain about the situation and yes, to a personal standpoint a lot of you are worried, and you have the right and should be. But on the same token people forget about business handling measures. Some things you keep quiet until you know for sure..I think they did a thorough investigation AND THEN notified us. (Isn't that in their statements?) So let's all be civil and only be mad that people can't change their passwords while network is down..but hacked information which was saved is the only data available I imagine? So I doubt a majority are greatly affected, just at risk.

 

[t_w_a_h]

As irrelevant as Anonymous are to this thread (and beyond... but that's a different thread entirely) I have to comment on this as the romanticising of these people and their 'aims' is something I find quite farcical:

this war means alot, even if it contains illegal matters. They are fighting for our civil rights, as they have with many other of their battles with big corporations.

Two things, one trivial, one less so:

1) Read that sentance back, sounds like part of a dramatic romance novel rather than part of a convincing agenda.

2) Don't confuse consumer rights with civil rights. Civil rights are about fairness, equity and freedom, consumer rights are ultimately no more than a luxury of the western world.

"Oh noes they took away OtherOS, linux rawks, evil Sony won't let me alter my console to use homebrew" does not compare equally on any level with "my government/society is subjugating and denying me my [for example] right to due democratic process due to my personal/religious/political beliefs".

Anyone who thinks they are on the same level - including but not limited to Anonymous - has a massively inflated sense of self importance.

Esther Rantzen, for all her worth (and teeth!) ain't no Emmeline Pankhurst.

Apologies for going off topic but you'd think Anonymous were some kind of modern day Robin Hood characters if you believed the words of their most devoted followers!

Anyway, on topic. Sony seem to have dropped the ball big time in terms of their own security protocols but there are plenty of details available at reddit or ars so there is no point re-hashing it all here.

What made me laugh is that I rang the issuers to cancel my cards last night (about 11pm GMT + 1) and the young chap I spoke to said:

"Is this because of the Playstation thing? The phones have been ringing off the hook here since I got in at 9pm because of the announcement. People seem to have seen it on on the BBC website."

 

[bevo]

So you absolve the people who stole it of any responsibility?


Scaff

The people who slole it are responsible for stealing it, but sony is responsible for collecting our personal information and losing it. It would be like you telling me that you watch peoples houses for a living while they go on vacation to make sure no one steals their stuff. I give you money to watch my house, and then someone robs me. The people who stole from me should go to jail, but you should be responsible for replacing everything that was stolen.


Sony is as much to blame, if not more, then the people who hacked their network..

 

[Scaff]

You do realise that they could steal your entire identity, right? They wouldn't be using your address and details to visit you, they would use it to pretend to be you. Then go off taking out contracts, finance etc. in your name.

Don't think you won't be affected, identity theft is huge business nowadays.

Given that I can get your DOB, car reg, job, town you live in and a whole lot more just from what you have publically avaliable here and could use a good amount of that to dig further on the net. I would guess it would take me no more than a few hours to get more info on you freely and legally on the web that I would have been obtained via PSN.

Particulrly as the PSN data contains a vast amount of duff data, after all who here doesn't have accounts set-up for other markets? Hell the BMW dealership in Washington and Sony's Japanese HQ are getting IDs nicked on that basis.

Is it a good thing that happened, hell no. Is it as big a deal as many are making, hell no. The vast majority of us provide as much if not more info willingly on the web.


Scaff

 

[TommyWizard]

Thank God for being a student, I have very little if anything in the bank at this current time lol.

If I see a report of a usage of data from the hackings then I might get in contact with my bank. Until then, I'd say Sony are saying that to prepare people for something like that. What Im suggesting is, the credit card details and the like haven't been breached but Sony recommends that you get in contact with your bank or what not and change the PIN number or hear hear what they suggest. Thats my viewing on that.

This is the risk you take out with Sony and the Playstation 3. Inside your box in your attic or basement is a booklet that does have terms and conditions after all. We arent owed anything for this nor will we have to flush out cash to repair or prevent. Im still 100% behind Sony. Yes there has been glitches here and there (The date fiasco last year) but for not having to pay into the servers and the security im happy.

As for future proofing PS3 players in future: Go out to gamestores and purchase £20 / $20 PSN top ups instead of inputting your details. Its common sense really.

 

[Scaff]

Sony is as much to blame, if not more, then the people who hacked their network..

The problem with this statement is that you are assuming that Sony let them steal it, i.e. that due diligence was not carried out.

At present we do not know that, if that's the case then Sony are in 'part' responsible, if its not the the case then they are as much a victim of a crime as you and I (unless you believe that an uncrackable network is possible on the net and I certainly don't).

However you stated that "I say all the blame is Sony's.", which does not allow any room for blame to be allocated to another. That you made it in direct response to a post about how Sony could have done all they could to protect it further strengthens you point.

In essence you entire reply seems to be saying that if anything is stolen its the fault of the person it was stolen from, given that I assume your savings are all under the bed, because even those bank vaults can't stop everything.

Joking aside, are you seriously saying that you can't see the lack on reality in making such a narrow statement?


Scaff

 

[Hun200kmh]

I also live in hotels in central NY, London and even Madrid. TBH , the most I fear from all this is that Sony becomes stricter with harmless 'foreign' accounts, so far clearly they have been tolerated ...

 

[arora]

Is it a good thing that happened, hell no. Is it as big a deal as many are making, hell no. The vast majority of us provide as much if not more info willingly on the web.


Scaff

It's going to be a very big deal to Sony I'd emagine, we'll have to wait and see how it effects their sales and such. As for any individual with a psn account I agree, no big deal. The hysteria of the mass's can move tides.

 

[Stunt Drifter]

It's going to be a very big deal to Sony I'd emagine, we'll have to wait and see how it effects their sales and such. As for any individual with a psn account I agree, no big deal. The hysteria of the mass's can move tides.

👍

So with projection time of PSN's servers being back up within 6 days from today (1 week from yesterday) who all is ready to get back to their awesome online gaming?

I won't have as much time to enjoy it but it shall still be fun to play GT5 online again! .

 

[Tesla]

I believe that anyone 'leaves' Sony because of the current security breach are the true madmen and women. Do you really think after the massive PR :censored:storm that is the current situation, that Sony will ever allow security to not be one of the highest priorities? They won't be able to live this down for long time, there is no way they would ever let it happen again.

 

[Leadpaint]

I ran across this at pubstargaming...

"Maxconsole has just received an e-mail news tip from a supposed developer who wishes to remain anonymous. The tip received concerns the latest PSN downtime. According to his information, Sony is planning to make PSN a pay only service just like Xbox LIVE. Apparently, PSN + hasn't take off in the way that Sony had hoped, and they are looking to make it a pay only service to provide users with the best possible functionality. The work they are reportedly carrying out right now is laying the foundations for this to happen in the near future as well as fixing security exploits."

 

[TJ13]

When ever the PSN gets back up there might be X game Chat/Video as a repayment for the down time... Which I think that would be good but IMO wouldnt we all get that in some update later down the road. At lease give us a Month of PS+ or a game.

(Sorry for a bit offtopic but Xbox has its problems now. *Microsoft has stole itself a bit of the security failure pie, warning players of a phishing scam that's hit Modern Warfare 2.*) (Mods if you want to delete that go for it I just thought I would put it in there since it could be the same hacker(s) that took down PSN)

 

[HOODFIELD]

I'm not worried until I see people posting in here saying their credit card is being wrongfully used. Class action lawsuit? I'm no lawyer but how can you have a class-action lawsuit when there is no confirmed theft. Even if there are some stolen credit cards those are the people who should be pissed and pushing for a lawsuit. You credit card info could be hacked from Amazon or from anywhere on the internet. It just happen to be your Playstation account. Remember they said the information was jepordized, not stolen. Everyone just needs to relax, its as simple as cancelling the credit card tied to your account, thats it you should have done it already. What else can you do?

 

[SmokingCones]

You do realise that they could steal your entire identity, right? They wouldn't be using your address and details to visit you, they would use it to pretend to be you. Then go off taking out contracts, finance etc. in your name.

Don't think you won't be affected, identity theft is huge business nowadays.

No, they simply don't have enough data to harm me in a significant way. Credit card isn't related to me, they don't have neither my real name nor my date of birth. Just a valid e-mail and a valid street adress, that's it. The cc info I don't care, because if anything goes wrong the bank company will deal with it. Some people are sharing more on their facebook pages, you know.

I'm not thinking I won't be affected, I just *know* I won't be.

 

[Leadpaint]

Something else i ran across...

Here is discovery of how Sony extracts data from your PS3s. They DO NOT ENCRYPT your credit card information, and the following shows how anyone with access to the servers can see and use your credit information for fraud, hackers or sony employees alike.

creditCard.paymentMethodId=_”CC_COMPANY”_&
creditCard.h olderName=EXAMPLENAME&
creditCard.cardNumber=_”1234567890123456″_ &
creditCard.expireYear=2012&creditCard.expireMonth=_”2″_&amp ;
creditCard.securityCode=_”123″_&
creditCard.address.address1=_ “EXAMPLESTREET”_%2024%20&creditCard.address.city=_”EXAMPLECITY_”%2 0&
creditCard.address.province=_”EXAMPLEREGION_”%20&
creditC ard.address.postalCode=_”12345_”%20

Everything contained within _”example”_ in the reality is replaced with your actual information. It would be very easy to write this information down, and to exploit it for credit fraud on the internet. They also do not encrypt your PSN accounts.

serviceid=IV0001-NPXS01001_00&
loginid=example@mail. com&
password=examplepassword&
first=true&
consoleid=EX AMPLEID123

therefore they are also at risk.

 

[arora]

Sony is planning to make PSN a pay only service just like Xbox LIVE.

WOW, get hacked and go down, get back up and running and then get compromised and shut down, then come up with the bright idea to charge people for it?

Not so sure that is a good marketing ploy

 

[Leadpaint]

Here is another tidbit from eurogamer....

"The whole notion that password details have been taken defies belief. There's a reason that most internet sites can't tell you what your own password is and can only reset it – it's because the server itself doesn't actually store it at all. Your chosen password is hashed when it's first transmitted, and only this checksum is stored. When you enter your login, the password is hashed again and compared to what is on the system – if we have a match, you are granted access.

In short, there is no actual need whatsoever for your password to be stored server-side at all. Sony's statement suggests that it was actually storing sensitive information in plain text format, which defies belief."

More from an article on extremetech...

"Beyond the hack itself, the other shocking piece of news is that PlayStation Network passwords were exposed. Judging by how long it took the PS3 to be jailbroken -- it lasted much longer than its contemporaries, the Xbox and Wii -- we have to assume that Sony knows a thing or two about security, but why then were PSN passwords apparently stored in plain, human-readable text? Heck, why were email addresses, personal details, and credit card details also stored in unencrypted form? While it might be impossible to fully prevent unauthorized access to a system, it's very simple to encrypt data in a way that both secures user privacy, and makes it almost valueless to any would-be hackers."

 

[xkubunt]

At first I thought this was a massive deal, then I remember a while back I had my wallet stolen (drivers license, cards, etc) and realised they would have the same information that came from this.

So really all you can do is change passwords that are similar if not the same as the one on your PSN account. Keep an eye out for anything strange and check the bank more frequently. If you really want to be on the safe side sign up to a credit report website and check it to make sure you haven't been signed up to any credit cards/had your address changed.

Scaff said it all, Facebook pages usually have the majority of this information on them and barely anyone has the privacy settings set up properly on there.

As for the credit card info, you can just cancel cards/notify the bank. Once you've done that you've pretty much covered your back.

 

[t_w_a_h]

Something else i ran across...

Here is discovery of how Sony extracts data from your PS3s. They DO NOT ENCRYPT your credit card information, and the following shows how anyone with access to the servers can see and use your credit information for fraud, hackers or sony employees alike.

[SNIP]

therefore they are also at risk.

Please note the above article has been updated by the original source (arstechnica) to state there is NO general risk of credit card details being collected maliciously using that particular method. It appears that CFW users are the most likely to be at risk:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

 

[Nuck81]

Wow. The ignorance and fear mongering over this situation is utterly astounding.

The next step for ps3 owners. Mass Suicide. I'm convinced it's the only way we can escape sony's ignorance and the danger of our Identities stolen. I mean we're going to be replaced by clones generated by the information obtained due to sony's negligence so we might as well end it ourselves and not give the hackers the satisfaction.

Who is with me? Mass Suicide. Only option. You go first.

 

[Darren.]

Wow. The ignorance and fear mongering over this situation is utterly astounding.

The next step for ps3 owners. Mass Suicide. I'm convinced it's the only way we can escape sony's ignorance and the danger of our Identities stolen. I mean we're going to be replaced by clones generated by the information obtained due to sony's negligence so we might as well end it ourselves and not give the hackers the satisfaction.

Who is with me? Mass Suicide. Only option. You go first.

Can you read the title, for your own good?