"Daily" Race Discussion

[Little_Guppy]

I have been taking a bit of a break for the last two weeks and will take a break next week as I go on my first family vacation since Covid started.

This week I tried Sardegna for pretty much the first time. I like the track.

The racing has not been clean and I am growing more frustrated. I have resorted to retribution for some repeat offenders. I squarely blame the penalty system on two fronts. 1) PD does not have a comprehensive penalty system and I acknowledge that it is a hard problem to solve though it could be much better. 2) They have the choice to have a tighter system at the cost of getting it wrong sometimes and they are refusing to use that system. It is the latter one that is inexcusable. Side to side contact is permitted and it is being badly abused much beyond @KosmoKazi 's (respect) defense that some contact is inevitable.

I was able to observe a dirty driver in Race B over several races. He is A+. He chose the Veyron in a mostly Scirocco FF field... for that "good for him"... until I watch how he used it. The Veyron is a heavy car. In T1, or others like it, if someone tries to pass on the outside he will turn into them before the corner and knock them offline or into the sand. The penalty system does not catch things like this and it is so incredibly cynical. Others are catching on to him and I have no hesitation about diving up the inside of him and making contact. There is no way that I am ever going on his outside.

The above guy was the most egregious example but it carries down to other drivers. It is just not enjoyable like this and PD is risking their GT franchise on this poor execution. Based on their positioning (Console vs PC) they have the potential to own the e-sports market but are just blowing it.

See you all in a week or two when I get back to GTS and GTP. I continue to enjoy reading this site.

 

[Groundfish]

The above guy was the most egregious example but it carries down to other drivers. It is just not enjoyable like this and PD is risking their GT franchise on this poor execution. Based on their positioning (Console vs PC) they have the potential to own the e-sports market but are just blowing it.

My thoughts exactly.
Polyphony Figital and Sony are better than this bumper car Mariokart crud. There’s Nintendo for that.

PD at game release upheld high standards and had many penalties given.
In 99 SR racing was great.
Now racing is only good if you are good em enough and assertive enough to represent a threat to other racers.

In lieu of any functional or fair pen system the only way to keep people from messing with you is MAD.

C race has been good mostly

 

[Little_Guppy]

I think many of us who have watched motorsports for years have learned important terminology & seen how these terms should be properly applied. That makes the transfer of learning to practical application easier. For anyone just learning in the heat of the moment, it's a tough mountain to climb. But, I have had many "ah ha" moments while playing GTS. And you never forget those moments & the lesson you learned.

"Ah ha" moments for me:

Determine where simple lifting (instead of braking) and the resulting weight transfer to the front tires which supports the turn in. Pure magic. I am truly impressed with PD and how they have been able to model this sort of behavior. It is an optional/useful skill in Grade 4 cars but becomes a required skill in the high downforce winged cars.

Steering input + braking <= 100%.
Steering input + throttle <= 100%.
It means you can use one or the other to the max but never both at once on the max. One must bend to support the other.

My developing "Ah ha" for this week at Sardegna A... there is a difficult left hander that starts sector 2 with the wall on the inside... it appears to be a "set turn" vs a "rotation turn" in Ross Bendly/@Groundfish terminology. I am now attacking it as a "set turn" and gradually start the power sooner. It is tricky and I am not there yet.

 

[BigSarj]

My experience in Race C this week was pretty good. I had a couple of races ruined by people who used my car as a brake but my other screw ups were on me. I did that driving into the pitwall thing @Groundfish thing and then just sat there, waiting for a reset that never came. I would have pulled a Michael Douglas in Falling Down if I could have.

But there were some instances where someone would lose control and then re-enter the racing line directly in front of me. Slamming into them got me no penalties. I really appreciate that. They get a boost, I get slow but at least no penalty.

Based on my experience this week, it's the side punting at turns that doesn't ever get penalized. But I wouldn't want that to be too sensitive, either.

My vigilante incident was when someone used me as a brake, then did it two more cars as I followed. When I caught up to him, I blatantly nudged him off the track on the straightaway to send a message and on the upcoming chicane, I braced for impact and he did his usual move. He got reset and I lost speed but drove right through the grass and re-entered the track. No shortcut penalty. I lost a bunch of positions but the streets were safer after that and the perp finished last.

At the end of the race, I finished 12th or so but someone in a Corvette I had battled with messaged me to compliment my clean driving. It was a splendid experience over all.

 

[NoStopN]

Take for example HP vs Torque. What it is, what it does and what the difference is. I've studied numerous vid's on youtube and I kind of get the idea, but applying that knowledge when looking at the numbers in the game it's almost impossible for me to benefit from that.

The best thing I can suggest is, whatever advice you ask for is not 100% guaranteed to work for 100% of the people reading. In this HP vs. torque scenario, torque by itself won't paint a clear picture of the best car on any track. The game attempts to simulate torque, gear ratios, tire wear & temps. All of these, along with throttle amount, can vary the acceleration of a car. I have heard @Pigems make the suggestion that you can see each car's HP peak & use this as a point at where to shift certain cars. We all have our favorites, so there isn't as much to memorize as you might fear. Any RPMs over that HP peak will be useless, since the engine will be on a downward arc for power. Otherwise, testing offline or choosing to use the qualifying option for a daily race (instead of jumping right into a race) will allow you to learn which car feels the most comfortable for you on a certain track. And yes, as @NevilleNobody suggested, turn on racing cones &/or the racing line in order to learn where the fastest path around a track is. Once you become more comfortable with that, you can use your knowledge to alter what is necessary in a race in order to advance your racepositions.

Now to next week, seaside group 2 is an excellent combo, last time we were there does anyone remember the tyre wear settings?

I don't remember the exact settings, but they weren't enough for me to kill a set of tires in half of the race laps. I swear I uploaded the last combo here where I won a couple of races. Search in game for "nostopn", "seaside", & "GTR". I watched the video from YT that I uploaded & saw that I ended that race on RM, so I must have started on RS tires. This looks like the exact same combo.

My developing "Ah ha" for this week at Sardegna A... there is a difficult left hander that starts sector 2 with the wall on the inside... it appears to be a "set turn" vs a "rotation turn" in Ross Bendly/@Groundfish terminology. I am now attacking it as a "set turn" and gradually start the power sooner. It is tricky and I am not there yet.

With this week's B race (Sardegna), I learned which car & the exact point to begin braking added to tweaking brake bias to get to the tough left right combo that leads to the back stretch. It felt marvelous to be chasing someone, focus on my actions, & watch them overcook it into the turn & you go by with no challenge. My favorite ah ha moment was at Big Willow when I learned how to work the banked left at the top of the Rabbit's Ear just right to make time & not go off track. Tell me if you spot it.

 

[NevilleNobody]

No it was rm and rh last time. I checked as I ran what felt like my best ever qualy lap there. I messes up the corkscrew a bit but otherwise this is as fast as I can go, not a tenth on the table after that.

 

[NoStopN]

No it was rm and rh last time. I checked as I ran what felt like my best ever qualy lap there. I messes up the corkscrew a bit but otherwise this is as fast as I can go, not a tenth on the table after that.

I was going to ask what time that run got you, but I just checked KP. That week, you are showing a best QT of 1:28.176, while I had a best of 1:28.515. And the tire requirements do sound familiar. That explains why my replay lists the "faster" tire as the RM. But, we get RM & RS, so the level of driving is going to be more "send it" this go-round. How did you do that last week of Gr. 2/DTS? I got a couple of wins & was starting 3rd or better. I can't complain, since I had the best comeback ever in the game. (That's not saying much)

 

[Groundfish]

Ooof
I found the dirtiest player in game, tried to fight him and lost.
I’ll never give up. I’ll fight him every time from now on.
I gave myself the curse of death by saying it was mostly clean.

 

[BigSarj]

Ooof
I found the dirtiest player in game, tried to fight him and lost.
I’ll never give up. I’ll fight him every time from now on.
I gave myself the curse of death by saying it was mostly clean.

The Joker to your Batman.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I was going to ask what time that run got you, but I just checked KP. That week, you are showing a best QT of 1:28.176, while I had a best of 1:28.515. And the tire requirements do sound familiar. That explains why my replay lists the "faster" tire as the RM. But, we get RM & RS, so the level of driving is going to be more "send it" this go-round. How did you do that last week of Gr. 2/DTS? I got a couple of wins & was starting 3rd or better. I can't complain, since I had the best comeback ever in the game. (That's not saying much)

That time was fire, considering i left a SOLID 3 tenths at the corkscrew, now i am at a 27.8 and watching it again i think i left a tenth or two on the right before the larini sign. Rest of the lap was intense, i never felt so good for 2/3rds of a lap, just absolute controlled ragged edge stuff for me at least. I remember racing well, felt on it, the group 2 car agrees with me for the most part.

That is one heck of a rebound man, $10 to do that again.

 

[05XR8]

Love Sardegna. Just trying the 4C, C7, Mustang, Atenza, RCZ, WRX and Lancer. The 4C is awesome. It's a little flea. Braking is incredible and just toys with the FFs in the corners. You can tell I hardly use it.

C7 and Mustang take it to the FFs. I can't extract the pace from the RCZ that a couple of 1, 2 finishers did. They were nose to tail all race. Working together to blast past the Sciroccos.
Atenza is solid. Only quick in the slipstream. Good on corner exits. The car is either on or off. I'll see how the WRX and Lancer fair a bit later.

 

[NAXEHT]

Ooof
I found the dirtiest player in game, tried to fight him and lost.
I’ll never give up. I’ll fight him every time from now on.
I gave myself the curse of death by saying it was mostly clean.

Mind elaborating? Are you saying you’re going to punt this player off every time you see him from now on? Because...?

 

[Groundfish]

Mind elaborating? Are you saying you’re going to punt this player off every time you see him from now on? Because...?

Problem 1-my alt hit A plus again…As a target, I was accosted.
Anyways ended up SR B…That’s when I met him..His handle is..lol we don’t do that.
Ends in littleB and I can’t find him on KP.
I have photos and replays, including one I shared.
He is pure evil.
The first time I encountered him he punted me lap 2 into sand. I caught lap six and took revenge.
He barely missed his chance to rerevenge in a full missile at the chicane, when I get home I will send a pic of his work. I already shared the race.
The guys an idiot.
The guys dirty, and he likes being so and he’s good at it…
I will fight him every time. I would much prefer the penalty system penalize contact but since it doesn’t I defend myself

 

[NoStopN]

That is one heck of a rebound man, $10 to do that again.

I would prefer not to find myself in that situation again. But if I do & bring home a W, I'll PayPal you my email address where you can send my money to.

 

[KosmoKazi]

It’s a simple line for me:

Contact is ok.

When the contact changes the course of the other car, it’s not ok.

and yeah the current system rewards the bullies who “move” people off the line too much.

I have been taking a bit of a break for the last two weeks and will take a break next week as I go on my first family vacation since Covid started.

This week I tried Sardegna for pretty much the first time. I like the track.

The racing has not been clean and I am growing more frustrated. I have resorted to retribution for some repeat offenders. I squarely blame the penalty system on two fronts. 1) PD does not have a comprehensive penalty system and I acknowledge that it is a hard problem to solve though it could be much better. 2) They have the choice to have a tighter system at the cost of getting it wrong sometimes and they are refusing to use that system. It is the latter one that is inexcusable. Side to side contact is permitted and it is being badly abused much beyond @KosmoKazi 's (respect) defense that some contact is inevitable.

I was able to observe a dirty driver in Race B over several races. He is A+. He chose the Veyron in a mostly Scirocco FF field... for that "good for him"... until I watch how he used it. The Veyron is a heavy car. In T1, or others like it, if someone tries to pass on the outside he will turn into them before the corner and knock them offline or into the sand. The penalty system does not catch things like this and it is so incredibly cynical. Others are catching on to him and I have no hesitation about diving up the inside of him and making contact. There is no way that I am ever going on his outside.

The above guy was the most egregious example but it carries down to other drivers. It is just not enjoyable like this and PD is risking their GT franchise on this poor execution. Based on their positioning (Console vs PC) they have the potential to own the e-sports market but are just blowing it.

See you all in a week or two when I get back to GTS and GTP. I continue to enjoy reading this site.

 

[05XR8]

Think I qualified on the RM. I did a 1:55.7xx in the Mustang for the week. Just jumped in the WRX after the EVO. Laid down a 1:53.789. What the what?!!!

 

[TonyTufast]

One of my races from Brands last week, can't wait for DTS next week

 

[05XR8]

This was my weekend

This last one sucked because, I had one red bar at the start and I'm P5 or P6. I let cars pass. We get to T1 and this car ahead is still on the brakes! I nearly stop and make slight contact on its left rear corner. Just barely a knock and I get 2 seconds.
Last lap, I go too wide after keping a C7 at bay. It goes by and I'm maintainig. A vANtage decides to try and creep up the inside with a red dunce cap. Like, just wait the PZ is coming up. Bumps me over. It serves the penalty and is coming back at me on the back straight. I brake checked the hell out of that player. Typed a word in thepost race chat, while they were typing and I left before they finished.

Done until new Race A and Race B tomorrow. Not touching Race C. I haven't even touched this week's Race A and I love Autopolis.

 

[gthelmi2398]

Hello everybody,

in my opinion the Race C of this weeks is the most beautiful race we had after a long time.
After much hours for a good qualifying time I got a 1:53,829 and was ready for start. I had four races, two pole positions and the best race you can see here.

 

[Groundfish]

Every race I’ve done today I’ve been punted.
C race. So now I play like a jerk that’s it.
Don’t care.

 

[87lc2]

Race C has been good for me. I'm B/S and have only run into 2-3 dirty players all week (about 15 races give or take). I was in one A+/A/B room for some unknown reason last night and other than not really being able to keep pace with the top drivers that was clean as well, ended up finishing 10th behind the A+/A guys which was expected starting from 11th.

Is it usually less clean at the top levels? I just got back into GTS a couple weeks ago and have to say it's been cleaner overall since I stopped playing about a year ago.

 

[05XR8]

Race C has been good for me. I'm B/S and have only run into 2-3 dirty players all week (about 15 races give or take). I was in one A+/A/B room for some unknown reason last night and other than not really being able to keep pace with the top drivers that was clean as well, ended up finishing 10th behind the A+/A guys which was expected starting from 11th.

Is it usually less clean at the top levels? I just got back into GTS a couple weeks ago and have to say it's been cleaner overall since I stopped playing about a year ago.

Too many factors to determine. In many lower ratings, players are finding their way around the tracks. Some learning their car's characteristics. Some learning spatial awareness.

Mentioned some posts above, there are high ranked drivers, on alt accounts, in low ranked rooms.

Just bad players that want to ruin others race.

Players using the META, that don't know how to drive it.

Players going for all out wins at all costs.

Some players that want to cruise around, but it inadvertently holds up others. This leads to impatience and/or frustration from a following battle pack.

It could be as simple as not caring about your result and you brush off anything that has ruined your race.

 

[Mike Hansen]

Every race I’ve done today I’ve been punted.
C race. So now I play like a jerk that’s it.
Don’t care.

same for me, punters and rammers all over the place and mostly they get away with their missbehaviour and get no penalty, its just frustrating ! But before i become like them i rest and will stay away from the game for a while, it is just not worth spending quality freetime with such amatuer programmed game…..

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I have to say that I have met a lot of dirty drivers this week. But I also met a lot of good, clean drivers.
If I drove like the dirty drivers I would never know.
Besides my Karma account needs stocking up.
SoI drive evasively and assertive now. Plan on doing it this week too.

 

[Seth_Logan]

Yes I did it! After a frustrating week in which it seemed that yet another handling circuit was out of reach for me, I managed to finally hook up all the sectors in a single lap and make my goal: <3% of the leader.

First it was the first four turns, then 6 & 8, then 11 and 12. Each time I improved one part of the track another section started falling apart. But then really late today, it all magically clicked and I was starting to churn out lap after lap, each one faster than the other. I can't tell you what a wonderful feeling that is.

Even more important: I was able to repeat it. Wow it feels so good. I really thought I had hit a ceiling and was never going to improve. Too bad the week is over, I would have loved to race once.

Now I gotta remember how I got here. May even do Nations R10 and sacrifice Sardegna A. Haven't decided.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

Mixed feeling for this week races. A, B and C are really great combo and was fun to race. Just not fun with the crowd at the moment. The good clean race are a rarity.

But one of them stood out and it was one of the best race I had in a long while. On Race C, starting 5th on soft. In the first stint, we are four cars following each other bumper to bumper. The first is already gone, put 2-3-4-5 are racing hard. 2nd lost the rear and he's gone. Only three of us now. Since I'm the last in the queue I pit on lap 5 and hope to undercut my opponents. The guy in front of me pit at the same time but the other guy stay on track. After he pits, he's 3 sec behind us, now only one guy in front of me. By lap 8, I manage to overtake him put he is not falling down. In the last lap, the one guy who went a lap longer manage to overtake us both with his fresher tires and we finish the race within seconds to each other.

It was like a real race, we had similar pace, good clean racing with strategy implied, it felt really good after too many dirty drivers pushing you off track or gently bumping your rear and gain the position without any consequence.

 

[05XR8]

I've had a few races like that, this week. Some understand the courtesy of not fighting towards the end of the race. I'm not even fighting for wins or to finish a place above where I started. I just want a nice replay to watch.
If the circumstances present an opportunity to advance or another player is struggling or clearly slower than me, I'll overtake. Nurg GP have awesome replay angles. Enjoyable to watch over and over.

 

[Yard_Sale]

I had 3 races on my alt Euro account this afternoon and they were all a blood bath. B/S room and it was just friggin bumper cars out there.

I can only assume it was a bunch of kids who don’t even drive, or a bunch of people who don’t care. But there was zero race craft out there. Every time you swung wide like a normal person for a proper apex, it was like an open invite to barge in.

for whatever reason, it doesn’t bother me as much when this happens in a daily race A or B. Probably because the races are short and I somewhat expect it I suppose. I guess it just sucks more in race C when there’s more of a time investment. Also when you start mid pack…get punted. Now the back of the pack group is behind you….get punted. And before you know it, your back in 17th or 18th. 8 spots back from where you started with no way to get back up there because your not only 15 seconds back…but you gotta fight through those A-holes again

 

[MidnightRun85]

After a week of avoiding the dailies, I jumped on last night on my alt to have a few bashes at Race B.

I have a limited car selection on that account, so I started off by using the Megane and didn't quite make it in time to set a Q time - I was about 3s from the line when it joined the lobby... Anyway, that put me 12/12 on the grid, and that is precisely where I stayed for the whole race. I managed to get ahead of a TT briefly, but then ran wide and he came back past me. A bit of a boring race but one to at least get my eye in and test a few cornering lines out.

Next race I was in the Megane again, but spent a few minutes setting a Q time (1:49:8XX) and joined the next lobby 13/15. After 2 laps I found myself in 10th, and on the 4th lap I was in a pack chasing down 7th place when I had a brain fart and bombed up the inside into the tight left at the end of the back straight, taking out two cars and earning a 3s penalty. I pulled over to let the pack past and served my 3s penalty and somehow passed a car in the penalty zone! No idea what happened but he was ghosting before he got into the zone and was mega slow - even my 3s of go-slow wasn't enough for him to get past! Finished P13 with a big drop in SR (99 down to 85) and another hit on the old DR.

So then I decided one last race, and why not take the Viper for ships and giggles? Weirdly, the same Q time (I was about 0.3s slower in the Viper in qualifying) put me 4th on the grid, out of a full house, and there was another Viper in the mix this time. On the opening lap, coming into the first chicane I was in 5th after a solid start from a Scirocco behind me, but him and the other Scirocco in front of me got into a tussle and both ran wide at the right hander and I swung by to claim 3rd. From here it was plain sailing and I just tried to maintain as best I could the gap to the two Scirocco's in the lead. P3, but a bit of a boring race really. However, the Viper is so much nicer to drive - I think I just get along with RWD handling better, as I've always driven RWD's and understand them better.

Another week, this week, of probably not much on the dailies. I'll be focusing on getting my FIA Q time down for Saturday and get my head into that track - lots of damage recovery to be made after Saturday's abomination.

EDIT: Race B will be practice for Saturday.

 

[05XR8]

Porsches for Race A... as expected. I'll pass.

Look like Race B on the main and alt. I'll be in a Mustang. Practice to switch back to Ford for next FIA season.

Edit: One lap of FP. 2:17.954. I'll leave that as is. With P1 setting top time in a Supra(2:16), look like that may be the car of the week.

Yep: