Daily Roulette | Proposal for New Daily Mileage Reward System

[Team THRT Drift]

After reading the train wreck of a thread titled "Daily roulette is rigged" I thought of implementing a new showcase system for the daily mileage bonus.

Ditch the roulette entirely. ​

The reason players get fed up is due to the psychological tease of the roulette itself.

Every now and then, the game will tease you with a very rare or expensive car that will take ages to grind for; assuming you play the game as intended without using auto-drive endurance lobbies.

The prospect of obtaining the unobtainable is what eventually draws most players back into the game. As @Sander 001 has already mentioned, the roulette is modelled on Operant Conditioning, which is essentially a mode of modifying the strength of a behaviour by reinforcing or punishing it.

Not sure if that was just a hot take or if you’re interested to know the actual psychology behind it, search for Operant Conditioning or Skinner Box.

This has also been argued for increasing the longevity of the game which is also a valid argument.

However the crux of the matter is the use of this type of psychological tactic in gaming. Most games on the market have/are using it in the form of loot boxes, etc. to entice people to spend more on micro transactions.

Not saying PD is using their methods in the same vile manner however they should stay away from doing so for a simple Gift mechanism that rewards players for driving an allotted distance per day.

We already know the roulette is pre-determined.​

Well, apparently I can't force a corrupt save. I've just tried (a few times) by pulling the power cable while the game is saving online (and deleting the local save, just in case) and it loads up just fine. I can start the game again, but it just gives me the most recent Daily Workout car immediately.

Hmph.​

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So I propose to showcase the gift car in the same, or similar, manner as they showcase the entrance of a newly purchased car from Brand Central.

Or, skip the roulette entirely and simply showcase the car spinning to a halt as it usually does once it has been chosen from the roulette.


It would be better to simply show a gift car, than to be shown possible candidates of a gift.

Just like when someone offers you a gift at a birthday party, without being handed a birthday wish list. You're always thankful, in the moment anyway, of the gift you have been given. You can choose to do with it what you will after receiving it, however the idea of being given something is met with approval.

As opposed to someone showing up at your door with four possible gifts, handing you something you don't really want, given the possible choices you were presented, and then finding out you never had a choice anyway.





What is your opinion on the matter?




I personally am not hooked on GTSport because of the Daily Mileage Bonus. I think it's a nice addition and will always accept a duplicate. I personally have four duplicate R8 LMS, two of which were purchased, and two were from the roulette.

I have several other duplicates that I personally dont care for and just remove, like 5 Suzuki Swifts, or 7 Hellcats, or 4 Focus GrB Rally Cars, etc.

What hooks me into the game is Gr.3 and SF19 racing, and the occasional drift sessions after a race.

The roulette doesn't bother me as much as some other users however like the others, I don't like being toyed with.

 

[zzz_pt]

In my opinion, and from tests I've made, the roulette is utter BS. For all I know, PD is showing me cars I won't ever get as a reward and they're only there to keep me trying.


Ive tried turning off the console or unplug the internet connection to see if I get the same cars from the roulette and it's fixed (I get the same car as soon as I come back on). I think they have a slightly different pool of cars for each player and they will rotate those cars. I mean, I get 4 and 5 duplicates of the same cars (just this week I got another 2 first gen Supras, after deleting 3 last week). I still miss at least 50 cars from the game, from 30k to all the 10.000.000+ cars.

It makes no sense at all that in the last 10 days all the cars I got were duplicates. Not a single new one.

 

[Cerebral303]

I just expect the worst car I see, or a Group 3 if there is one. I have most of the cars anyway, and really this system is here to help build the collection. Imagine how much more grinding we would have to do, and how tough things would be in the beginning without the opportunity to easily win basic cars.

Now I know we won't get super expensive cars anymore, I am glad I had the game when it was possible and got lucky. I have a feeling that in the final update this game gets, there may be something that helps us easily drive the unicorn cars (B-Spec mode, a super lucrative cup in GT League, an online mode like seasonals that pays out well, a reintroduction of 10m+ cars to the daily roulette, the option to use any car in arcade or VR mode...something).

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I don't look at it and only wish you could turn it off. All these gift cars make a mess of my garage. It takes ages to find and delete the duplicates and the roulette delay has made me miss race entries before. (When you had to restart the game after every race for 6 months)

So yep, ditch the roulette. Or at least a quick skip/decline button.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Get rid of it. Its really poor game design that it cant be skipped.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

It's like NFS No Limits' prize system. After each race, you have a selection of 3 cards to flip with rewards, but no matter which card you select, the reward is always the same. Even if you delete and redownload savegame the result is always the same. It's just an illusion of choice to trick the reward system in our primitive brains to keep us playing.

Personally, I gave up on the roulette a long time ago. 446 game days and haven't gotten anything more valuable than 1 million. So I just grinded for all the expensive cars manually and got them all a month ago. I don't know why Famine even tries to figure out the pattern. It's not like you can skip your queue or do anything in the game to alter the outcome anyway. Just treat the roulette as a side bonus, and grind for the cars you want to have.

 

[TT92]

As with any game that is rigged or puts me at impossible odds I have no problems with taking advantage of the system or rules.

I have all the cars and most as duplicates as well (which I keep bog standard or spares to raise a quick 20mill).

All I can say is "make rubber bands your friends" and then this whole controversy just magically disappears ;-) And for those die hards that want to do it "the legit way" just don't complain that it is rigged. You have all the answers, you know what to do and it's not coming here to incessantly whine you can't have the elusive cars that you want.

There is no problem to complain about. If you chose to play the game (remember it *IS* a *GAME*) as intended then that's fine, it's your choice and good on you for having a go BUT there is no need to complain how it is rigged against you.

My $0.02

 

[Sander 001]

My opinion is that PD trying to use these slot machine tactics is kind of insulting.

Does PD have some user data which concludes we’re some low life clowns who play scratch cards at the corner store?

 

[fatkid]

My thoughts, the daily rewards instead of being a selection of 4 cars in a spinning roulette that you can't even slow down with a button press, should instead be the player choose 1 out of 3 boxes with a concealed choice inside.

Something like this.


And to stop unnecessary duplicates, the reward should be a ticket designated to a certain class of car. So for example, you can win a ticket for say Gr.3, which you can trade in at any time for any Gr.3 class car of your choice.

Job done.

 

[Team THRT Drift]

For all I know, PD is showing me cars I won't ever get as a reward and they're only there to keep me trying.

That's exactly the definition of Operant Conditioning in this scenario.

Enforce your behavior to come back and achieve the daily mileage by teasing high-end cars.



GranTurismo doesn't need this 🤬 to be blunt...

All I can say is "make rubber bands your friends"

Don't even need to do that. Make an auto drive endurance lobby with friends or with randoms, get everyone on track, and start the race.

Take the first corner to gain enough speed, then hit pause and let the car run for the allotted time you chose.

With only two people in the lobby and the race running for 12 hours, the max payout is 1.7mil credits and around 20k mileage points.

It increases exponentially with each additional racer on the grid.

And the participants dont even need to be in the race. They can help you start the race and back out. You will still be rewarded for racing against X amount of people.


Keep in mind, your console will be on for the entire duration of the race. So if you're weary about leaving it running, lower the endurance run time. This goes for dodgy internet connections as well.

My thoughts, the daily rewards instead of being a selection of 4 cars in a spinning roulette that you can't even slow down with a button press, should instead be the player choose 1 out of a concealed choice of 3 boxes.

Something like this.


And to stop unnecessary duplicates, the reward should be a ticket designated to a certain class of car. So for example, you can win a ticket for say Gr.3, which you can trade in at any time for any Gr.3 class car of your choice.

Job done.

Again, that gives the illusion of choice.



If they intend to keep the daily mileage bonus as configured, then a simple garage showcase of the new gift car would suffice.

Lose the smoke and mirrors of the roulette and just show the user the predetermined car by 100% random chance (it's a weighted chance nowadays but you get what I mean). Also, as others have stated, allow the user to sell the gift cars.

 

[fatkid]

Again, that gives the illusion of choice.

Did you even watch the video? How is giving the player full control of a choice of choosing between anyone of 3 boxes "the illusion of choice"?

GT Sport's daily roulette is the complete opposite and an absolute tease. Shows 4 cars on a spinning roulette, but you have no control over it and it is always a predetermined outcome. The method I suggested gives far better options. And the abilty to sell gift cars is something that goes without saying at this point. Not like people haven't been asking for it for over 15 months now?!

 

[Dave A]

Did you even watch the video? How is giving the player full control of a choice of choosing between anyone of 3 boxes "the illusion of choice"?

Because you aren't picking whats inside the box, only the box itself. That doesn't mean that the game isn't predeterming what you will "choose" regardless. GT Sport could present you with 4 keys for the Daily Mileage Reward for example, and you pick one and win an R8 Gr.3 But it doesn't mean that picking a key is giving you a real choice, whichever key you pick you could get the same R8 Gr.3.

 

[Stephan]

I wouldn't mind if the daily workout reward presentation would go back to looking like this instead from the closed beta.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Add expert difficulty to arcade mode and give a free spin of the carousel of Doom each time you win and is repeatable as often as you like.

As an example currently it's 2 laps at easy 2 laps at normal and 3 laps at Pro at Dragon Trail so expert would be 5 laps.

 

[fatkid]

Because youaren't picking whats inside the box, only the box itself. That doesn't mean that the game isn't predeterming what you will "choose" regardless. GT Sport could present you with 4 keys for the Daily Mileage Reward for example, and you pick one and win an R8 Gr.3 But it doesn't mean that picking a key is giving you a real choice, whichever key you pick you could get the same R8 Gr.3.

People are asking for alternatives and then when offered them are complaining that it is the same thing when it most definitely isn't! Each box in Super Mario Bros 3 wasn't predetermined and even if it was, why does it have to be in this GT Sport? And when did I say anything about being awarded a car, like a R8 Gr.3? To give even more choice I clearly stated, instead of cars, you are awarded a ticket. For example; you choose the box on the left and are awarded a ticket that represents Gr.3 class. That you can then trade in at anytime for any Gr.3 class car in the game. Choose the middle box and you get a ticket which can be traded in for any N300 class car and the box on the right gives you a ticket for any Gr.X car. And just to make it clearer, each day the contents of each box changes to contain any of tickets of any of the different classes available in the game.

Now please do not say this is anything like the current system. I cannot make it clearer then that. Not that the first post I made on this topic was difficult to understand in the first place.

 

[TT92]

Make an auto drive endurance lobby with friends or with randoms, get everyone on track, and start the race.

Take the first corner to gain enough speed, then hit pause and let the car run for the allotted time you chose.

With only two people in the lobby and the race running for 12 hours, the max payout is 1.7mil credits and around 20k mileage points.

It increases exponentially with each additional racer on the grid.

And the participants dont even need to be in the race. They can help you start the race and back out. You will still be rewarded for racing against X amount of people.

Gee that is a lot of effort for a very small reward. I get 4.7mil every 20hrs and it takes about 3 minutes to set up the race. The ideal set and forget and it doesn't need a bunch of other people.

BTW if I let it run for a full 24hrs it is 5.7mil.

 

[StirlingMoose]

Monty Hall, with one car and and two goats. You can never have too many goats.

 

[Canucks_9419]

I don't know why anyone would waste their system's well being running a12-24 hour race when many options exist to run the 'clean race & power limited' route and earn more credits in 1/4 to 1/12th the amount of time IMO.

As for the roulette the Beta option posted earlier would be most logical, but I wouldn't expect anything to change in this games lifetime and don't bother watching the wheel of disappointment. Only hope they never do something this style again in the series.

 

[Dave A]

People are asking for alternatives and then when offered them are complaining that it is the same thing when it most definitely isn't! Each box in Super Mario Bros 3 wasn't predetermined and even if it was, why does it have to be in this GT Sport? And when did I say anything about being awarded a car, like a R8 Gr.3? To give even more choice I clearly stated, instead of cars, you are awarded a ticket. For example; you choose the box on the left and are awarded a ticket that represents Gr.3 class. That you can then trade in at anytime for any Gr.3 class car in the game. Choose the middle box and you get a ticket which can be traded in for any N300 class car and the box on the right gives you a ticket for any Gr.X car. And just to make it clearer, each day the contents of each box changes to contain any of tickets of any of the different classes available in the game.

Now please do not say this is anything like the current system. I cannot make it clearer then that. Not that the first post I made on this topic was difficult to understand in the first place.

To be fair your initial post wasn't hard to understand, but I wasn't raising any issue with that, or what you meant by it.

However, you asked how the opening of the box was only giving the illusion of choice and I provided the explanation for that, hopefully in an easy to understand way.

I know this is an internationally used site and I don't know of English is your first language, so I won't jump to a hasty reaction to your reply to me, but my reply to you wasnt an attack just a response to your question which I quoted 👍.

 

[Team THRT Drift]

I wouldn't mind if the daily workout reward presentation would go back to looking like this instead from the closed beta.

That's exactly what I was thinking of. Didn't know they had it in the beta but that is perfect.

Gee that is a lot of effort for a very small reward. I get 4.7mil every 20hrs and it takes about 3 minutes to set up the race. The ideal set and forget and it doesn't need a bunch of other people.

BTW if I let it run for a full 24hrs it is 5.7mil.

Again, that is only two people in the lobby and it greatly increases with each additional player but yes I get what you mean.

Just one of the few methods to gain credits and mileage points.

 

[Stencedaddy]

i just take my trash and keep it moving.

 

[fatkid]

To be fair your initial post wasn't hard to understand, but I wasn't raising any issue with that, or what you meant by it.

However, you asked how the opening of the box was only giving the illusion of choice and I provided the explanation for that, hopefully in an easy to understand way.

Well evidently by your comments it seems you did have a problem understanding my post, as nowhere did I put anywhere in my suggestion about giving an illusion of choice by it being predetermined and instead suggested giving an actual choice from out of three boxes. I don't see why you have to be so condescending to say you provided an explanation that is hopefully easy to understand, when I know exactly what I posted and what I meant. Please don't make wrong assumptions or try to put words in my mouth.

I know this is an internationally used site and I don't know of English is your first language, so I won't jump to a hasty reaction to your reply to me, but my reply to you wasnt an attack just a response to your question which I quoted 👍.

Ironically for you implying my English might not be good, you claimed to clearly understand my previous post, but in actuality misunderstood it. Your comment sounds slightly elitist, boadering on racist, for you to bring up comprehension and language on a topic as frivolous as a video game. I thought this topic was about making sugesstions about improving the reward system on GT Sport. If your participation here is otherwise or directed towards me, than I don't intend to converse with you about it any longer. No video game discussion is important enough for me to comment towards another in the manner you have towards me.

Do not reply back. GT Sport seems to be a far more close and important subject for you than it does for me. I don't intend this discussion to go on the path you have tried to take it with me. I am only interested in sugesstions about improving the daily reward system and is what I originally only commented on before you decided to direct unrelated topics towards me.

 

[TT92]

I don't know why anyone would waste their system's well being running a12-24 hour race when many options exist to run the 'clean race & power limited' route and earn more credits in 1/4 to 1/12th the amount of time IMO.

You have not thought these comments through very well. How on earth do you consider my "system's well being" to be in in any sort of jeopardy? I have a SSD so there is only some electrons running around and because there is little load the cooling fan doesn't even come on.

Where as, in your case you are *needlessly* flogging your wheel, pedals and TV to death for no reason. Not to mention all the free time that I have to do other things

All my gear runs quietly in the background doing its own thing. No TV on, no input device wear, no HD wear etc etc. Oh you could say that the rubber bands get weakened but they are recycled ones that the mailman leaves anyway ;-)

And this: "earn more credits in 1/4 to 1/12th the amount of time". This is also blatantly just wrong. I can earn in a 24hr period 4.7mil credits with about 2 minutes of my time. You do not seem to value your time or how you waste it where as my time is very valuable to me. You seem to rate your PS4's time running more than your own time. A novel idea but if that's what you do that's fine. Where as I am indifferent to my PS4's time whether is is quietly running in the background or in standby mode.

Last comment from me. Even *IF* I was concerned about my PS4 Pro's well being I could always dust off my spare gen1 PS4 and use that instead ;-)

 

[ARTAsean]

I don't know why anyone would waste their system's well being running a12-24 hour race when many options exist to run the 'clean race & power limited' route and earn more credits in 1/4 to 1/12th the amount of time IMO.

Power cycles are more taxing on a console’s components than running for extended periods of time. Literally.. Turning your console on every day and grinding a couple hours at a time is worse than just leaving your console on for the 24 hours. Plus it’s less taxing on your TV and peripherals as well.

 

[Dave A]

Well evidently by your comments it seems you did have a problem understanding my post, as nowhere did I put anywhere in my suggestion about giving an illusion of choice by it being predetermined and instead suggested giving an actual choice from out of three boxes. I don't see why you have to be so condescending to say you provided an explanation that is hopefully easy to understand, when I know exactly what I posted and what I meant. Please don't make wrong assumptions or try to put words in my mouth.

You really are missing my point in a huge way. I didn't refer to anything you said in your first post, I only responded to you asking how your suggestion was only giving the illusion of choice. No words are being put into your mouth, nor was my last post in any way condescending.

Ironically for you implying my English might not be good, you claimed to clearly understand my previous post, but in actuality misunderstood it.

I completely understood your post, it's you who didn't understand mine and you still don't.

Your comment sounds slightly elitist, boadering on racist, for you to bring up comprehension and language on a topic as frivolous as a video game.

Now you're going too far, in what way was my comment bordering on racist? Please do enlighten me. Is this not an internationally used site? Yes it is. Do I know you personally? No I don't. Have you completley failed to understand the point of my post? Yes you clearly have. There was no need for your quick agressive response, let alone this one. Either get over yourself or re-read my post.

I thought this topic was about making sugesstions about improving the reward system on GT Sport.

It was, and if you weren't interested in an answer to your question you shouldn't have bloody asked it should you? Ironically my answer wasn't totally on the head of the nail anyway, as even if what's in the box isn't predetermined regardless of which box you open, by not knowing what's in the box in the first place you aren't really making a choice. It is still just an illusion of choice.

If your participation here is otherwise or directed towards me, than I don't intend to converse with you about it any longer.

Good to know.

No video game discussion is important enough for me to comment towards another in the manner you have towards me.

Really. Let me get this right, you post an idea, nothing wrong with that. Someone else tells you that's just giving the illusion of choice. You ask why and I provide an answer, that's what, rude??? You then reply to me in an agressive way to which I respond again pointing out that you have misunderstood my post and that again is what??? Rude??? You're the one who has been rude here, you are not a victim, you have overreacted in a big way. I don't care who you are, but I will enter discussion. For it to be a discussion though you have to discuss something, not throw your toys out of the pram if you don't get absolute agreement with your idea.

Do not reply back.

Oops . On a more serious note, you DO NOT get to call me rude and suggest I'm racist and then tell me not to reply. That's as rude as it comes and if you call me or suggest I am racist again you will be reported because that's unacceptable behaviour on a forum like this.

GT Sport seems to be a far more close and important subject for you than it does for me.

It's not that important to you then at all because it's really not very important to me.

I don't intend this discussion to go on the path you have tried to take it with me. I am only interested in sugesstions about improving the daily reward system and is what I originally only commented on before you decided to direct unrelated topics towards me.

Good for you, that's what I was interested in too. Maybe if you don't want to get into a discussion you don't like, don't reply to a comment agressively in the first place in future 👍.

 

[serlemke]

The returned/give-away car is probably defined before the roulette appears, it then kind of pulls 3 more cars.. in the end returns the chosen one anyway.
So the build up is like:

$give_away = "Atenza";
load_and_play_roulette_with($give_away, return_3_random_cars_but_not($give_away));

 

[Team THRT Drift]

The returned/give-away car is probably defined before the roulette appears, it then kind of pulls 3 more cars.. in the end returns the chosen one anyway.
So the build up is like:

$give_away = "Atenza";
load_and_play_roulette_with($give_away, return_3_random_cars_but_not($give_away));

Yea the community has determined that the roulette is predetermined so there really is no need for the smoke and mirrors.