Daytona 24 Minute Race: Daytona Road Course

[WhoosierGirl]

Running out of fuel is a definite yes - I've seen that. I've also seen them start dueling with each other at the end - getting in each others way (especially if the guy in front slows down for lack of fuel; the guy behind slams into him, and then they dance around for a bit before righting themselves.)

The 'slowing down by themselves' bit is the mystery. Is it possible they 'give up' the race as soon as the Player registers the win? Only hard scrutiny by several players will confirm this for all of us.

Edit:

Here's another bit;
The fist race I ran was with a NASCAR stock car. I wanted to examine everything the AI did without the Player interfering, so I parked my car at the apron and watched them. After awhile, being a little bored, I snuck around the course trying to keep out of the AIs' way, and checked out the pits, and a few other areas. After that I did a few laps (The NASCAR stock cars chew up tyres) and then, six laps in all (for me), the clock stopped (metaphorically ) and I ran over the finish line and the race stopped. I noticed one of the cars pitting only once - to get IMs - then never pitted after that and ran the rest of the race on zero tyres. This guy caused a lot of trouble for the rest of the AI towards the end of the rest and many good runners got into trouble.
The next race, once again I took my trusty rover, the Carl Edwards Ford, parked it once again at the apron, and I had to leave the console - my life gets pulled around a bit so had to leave.
Came back to the console to find that the AI had done 35 laps. I did a lap to complete the race, and then saved and quit. Haven't looked at this replay in full yet - though it should have some quite weird info.
It's not the amount of laps that matters - but the time completion. So when they go down 2 laps the math totally puzzles me.
Maybe some maths whiz here can solve the problem for us.

The math works out just right for two laps down, think of where they are in relation to where I am on the track as I finish. The last two cars, the 390 and AMG are .3 behind me but have finished two less laps than I have. The second place car is 17 seconds behind on the track but another lap behind. I will have to take a picture of the 'live timing' on the replay but I am pretty sure I am on lap 16 and 2nd through 14th are on lap 15 and 15th/16th are on lap 14.

 

[skeagracing]

The math works out just right for two laps down, think of where they are in relation to where I am on the track as I finish. The last two cars, the 390 and AMG are .3 behind me but have finished two less laps than I have. The second place car is 17 seconds behind on the track but another lap behind. I will have to take a picture of the 'live timing' on the replay but I am pretty sure I am on lap 16 and 2nd through 14th are on lap 15 and 15th/16th are on lap 14.



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That woud be great if you could take a picture of the 'live timing'!! This whole topic is truly amazing. Thank you!!

 

[photonrider]

The math works out just right for two laps down, think of where they are in relation to where I am on the track as I finish. The last two cars, the 390 and AMG are .3 behind me but have finished two less laps than I have.

That's it. Delivered with surgical precision.

I got confused by the word 'laps' in relation to it being a 'time-based' event. The guy who is two laps behind is two laps behind in relation to the winner - in effect that lapped driver has to zoom forward two laps and overtake the leader (in the lead lap then) to take the win.

 

[RACECAR]

Just won it with the Pescarolo C60 Peugeot and once again, its the Nissan R92CP setup to the rescue. I managed to get the lead by the second pit stop and it was over at that point. Lapped the entire field as well, despite having nowhere near as much power as the Group C Cars I used. This car, despite all the aggressive pushing I was doing, was amazingly good on its rear tires thanks to that setup. I have no idea what I did when I made that setup for Le Mans but it appears around Daytona, the Tire Wear improves quite abit. Was able to do a 3 stop strategy and walk away with it. Going to do it now with the Pescarolo C60 Judd, which is abit more powerful.

 

[skeagracing]

WhoosierGirl said
The math works out just right for two laps down, think of where they are in relation to where I am on the track as I finish. The last two cars, the 390 and AMG are .3 behind me but have finished two less laps than I have.

That's it. Delivered with surgical precision.

I got confused by the word 'laps' in relation to it being a 'time-based' event. The guy who is two laps behind is two laps behind in relation to the winner - in effect that lapped driver has to zoom forward two laps and overtake the leader (in the lead lap then) to take the win.

That would mean that the 1 lap cars would have to do the same and zoom forward one lap and overtake the leader (in the lead lap then) to take the win.

 

[RACECAR]

Going to do it now with the Pescarolo C60 Judd, which is abit more powerful.

Won with this car. Only took me four tries as I had to get used to the massive power difference, it gets to the corners a lot sooner then I was expecting Once I got it, I was flying. Again, the magic Nissan Daytona setup was at play and despite this car being more tail happy out of the corners, again the rear tire wear was good. Was on a 3 stop strategy, I got the lead just before the second stop and had it from that point on.

 

[WhoosierGirl]

That woud be great if you could take a picture of the 'live timing'!! This whole topic is truly amazing. Thank you!!

That's it. Delivered with surgical precision.

I got confused by the word 'laps' in relation to it being a 'time-based' event. The guy who is two laps behind is two laps behind in relation to the winner - in effect that lapped driver has to zoom forward two laps and overtake the leader (in the lead lap then) to take the win.

These are pictures from 'live timing' at the finish of the race. Lapped 2nd through 14th once and 15th and 16th twice. Hope this helps.

Picture 1 highlights me at the finish line completing lap 15 at just past 24 minutes.
In the column you see lap 15, which is the lap I just finished, lap 16 is displayed on the right because the race has to run the timer out and the front of the car has passed the line. Cool down lap, lol.

Picture 2 highlights second place and show he/she on lap 14, which is -1 lap and a gap of 6.876 seconds in 'track position' at the last timing marker.

Picture 3 is last place who is on lap 13 and a few cars behind my actual position on the track and about to start lap 14. This is the third time I passed this car and the 15th place car, making them both 2 complete laps and a few seconds behind me.

Picture 4 is 14th place can and shows -2 laps but that will change as soon as he/she passes the first timing marker.

The timing markers around the track are what makes up the finishing time of all cars that don't finish the race in the minute and half the race runs after you finish your last lap.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

I just can't get past how stupid it is with this level of tire wear and fuel consumption. I'm not even gonna bother.

I'd rather take 24 hours of nurburgring for half as much money, than 24 minutes of this.

I agree the tyre wear is ridiculous, the way the car handelling changes so quickly is far too dramatic.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

The C60 is insane, almost too powerful and a huge fuel tank. If you don't crash or get any penalties you WILL win.

 

[K1LLD0z3R]

I stand corrected. I passed the P2 787 for the second time on my 15th lap and he was on his 14th. And the board shows only 1 lap down.

That for some reason doesn't seem right or even how it is scored in endurance racing. All I know is I'm having a blast and getting bank.



Also, anyone having trouble check out the 905B. I like @praiano tune. The most recent race that felt the best I used RH tires, pit end of lap 8 and install RM tires for the remaining 7 laps. You may have to fuel save just a bit.

 

[photonrider]

These are pictures from 'live timing' .......xsnipx....... Cool down lap, lol.

Yup. That 'cool down' lap had me befuddled.

Picture 2 highlights second place and show he/she on lap 14, which is -1 lap and a gap of 6.876 seconds in 'track position' at the last timing marker.

It is that additional time (not mentioned) when they say '1 lap' that could be confusing. All those '1 lap' cars have also a gap between them and the leader which is an addition in time to the lap owing.

The timing markers around the track are what makes up the finishing time of all cars that don't finish the race in the minute and half the race runs after you finish your last lap.

👍 About as plain as daylight now.

 

[Rickster]

I finally did it in my BMW LM V12, gosh what a struggle this was.


But at least I know that track off by heart.

 

[soupcan]

These are pictures from 'live timing' at the finish of the race. Lapped 2nd through 14th once and 15th and 16th twice. Hope this helps.

Picture 1 highlights me at the finish line completing lap 15 at just past 24 minutes.
In the column you see lap 15, which is the lap I just finished, lap 16 is displayed on the right because the race has to run the timer out and the front of the car has passed the line. Cool down lap, lol.

Picture 2 highlights second place and show he/she on lap 14, which is -1 lap and a gap of 6.876 seconds in 'track position' at the last timing marker.

Picture 3 is last place who is on lap 13 and a few cars behind my actual position on the track and about to start lap 14. This is the third time I passed this car and the 15th place car, making them both 2 complete laps and a few seconds behind me.

Picture 4 is 14th place can and shows -2 laps but that will change as soon as he/she passes the first timing marker.

The timing markers around the track are what makes up the finishing time of all cars that don't finish the race in the minute and half the race runs after you finish your last lap.

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Great info Whoosier, my guess is with two pit stops and as easy as the 787 is on tires you were coasting the last lap. The 20+ second slow down on lap 15 is what I am referring to.

 

[SmileyOr]

Each time we restart a race with a different car there are different opponents that drive different lap times.

Of won races with 5 second slower lap times than my best performance in a different car.

 

[BRP17]

I've done this several times, using the Hybrid R/H
Winning by a large margin every time.
Today I tried a different strategy.
I started the race on softs, which enabled me to get through traffic quicker.
1st pit I switched to mediums. Once I caught and passed the leaded {2 laps} I pulled away.
Had a 59 second lead coming into the last pit with just over 8 minutes left.
I blew the stop and had a drive through with no pit adjustments.
I was nearly out of fuel so I had to limp around the track {2:28} as opposed to the 1:28's I had been doing.
Once I pitted I got passed for 4 positions.
Again on mediums. I caught and passed back into the lead and won by 27 seconds.
Leaderboard showed me being +1 lap.

 

[MSZ]

I finally did it in my BMW LM V12, gosh what a struggle this was.


But at least I know that track off by heart.

I just won the race Today after many tries too, 550km to be exact. This is almost as hard as the 550pp street car event at the ring back in few months ago.

 

[Draggon]

My game must be broken. 🤬 Even with Praino's tune on the R18 I'm soon a minute behind fighting for 16th place. I figure I need to pick up at LEAST 10 seconds per lap. And its not like I'm a total newbie or something, I have occasionally placed in the top 1000 or 2 in the seasonal super laps.

 

[MSZ]

My game must be broken. 🤬 Even with Praino's tune on the R18 I'm soon a minute behind fighting for 16th place. I figure I need to pick up at LEAST 10 seconds per lap. And its not like I'm a total newbie or something, I have occasionally placed in the top 1000 or 2 in the seasonal super laps.

You need a 1:33 lap or under 8 or 9 times during the race to get it done. Good luck.

 

[RACECAR]

The C60 is insane, almost too powerful and a huge fuel tank. If you don't crash or get any penalties you WILL win.

You're talking about the 2005 Hybride, right? Just looking at the HP, its another massive leap in comparison to the 2004 C60 Judd I was driving. I think I'm gonna excel with it, I'll just have to drive like I do the Group C cars: A handful of finesse and a dash of aggression.

 

[coryclifford]

I'll just have to drive like I do the Group C cars: A handful of finesse and a dash of aggression.

And a sprinkle of fuel savings if you one stop it. Car is still fast if you way short shift it.

 

[RACECAR]

Probably would've listened if I didn't already run the race just now with it and won

Just as I predicted though, it was faster (even though I had to bring down some of the power just for it to fit in the PP). Still good enough for FUUUULLLL POWEEEEEER on the oval and to my surprise, I actually could take 4th gear through the Bus Stop as I was doing with the other Pescarolos. Once again, the Magic Nissan setup gave me excellent rear tire wear. Sure I could've done it on one stop but with a car that has this much power and can easily zoom by other cars at will, I didn't mind the usual 3 stopper (even though I had a close call on the final pit stop as I ran out of fuel coming to pit lane ). Didn't even lose the lead so it was just a giggling moment as to how far ahead I was.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

Yes the Pescarolo Sport C60 Hybride Judd with Playstation on the front. It's a beast in speed and fuel
capacity

 

[Draggon]

Whew, finally got this one! Praino's tune for the Judd hybride, changed the LSD to 9-5-18 and used RM tires. Pit at end of laps 5 and 10. Due to an huge spin at the banking the rear tires went away fast, I was down to 2 on the last lap. Nursed it rather than lose time in the pits, still won by 18 seconds. The key for me was to take it easy on the road course section, not spin the tires, and not go into the grass. I am SOOOOO glad to have gotten this over with. It was pretty fun though, once I got the hang of it.

 

[mustafur]

Won the race with a TS030 Hybrid, it's easy if you go for a 2 stopper but 3 stopper is more fun as there is quite a challenge.

 

[CinnamonOD]

You need a 1:33 lap or under 8 or 9 times during the race to get it done. Good luck.

What?
I am able to win it with high 1:35's with one stop.

 

[BenMillard]

Bentley EXP Speed 8 wins this easily, once you get used to very early upshift and coasting through the first half of tight turns. Still using @Highlandor tune for the Bentley with some little changes.

Does using a turbo part increase fuel use? I have to save a lot to 1-stop the Bentley. After removing the High RPM Turbo and driving both styles on one race, it's driving style that makes the difference.

Coasting at the ends of straights and staying in a high gear in tight turns makes the biggest difference.

Drove maximum fuel saving from the start. Perfect fuel use to pit at the end of lap 8. With the turbo part and mild saving I was running out at the end of lap 7! About 1 litre left as I stopped in the box at about 13:30 into the race.

I took on 85 litres as I only needed 6 or 7 laps to finish a 14 or 15 lap race.

C60 Hybride passed me as I exited my pit box. It was a few seconds ahead as we exited pit lane. Rain had started...drama! It crawled along the tiny pit lane exit so I went straight onto the track. 5 second lead for me!

Decided to drive this stint fast. I got up to 7 seconds quickly, then got into traffic. Worked my way past it safely and held the 7 second gap for the next lap. Then I started driving the bus stop chicane cleanly and gained 2.5 seconds. Again the next lap!

Was getting good tows in helpful places, too. 1:30, 1:34, 1:33, 1:31 a string of fast lap times on Racing Hard tyres. (For me, anyway!)

But then I span off while trying to get past traffic! Just got a wheel on the dirt in the bus stop and span all the way to the low tyre wall. 1:45 this lap. One small mistake in traffic lost me all the time I gained from driving fast.

Tyres were wearing a lot faster. 1 or 2 points lower by lap 6 of driving fast compared to after 8 laps with maximum fuel saving.

Around this time I noticed I was 50+ seconds head of the C60. You won't beat it on pace but as mentioned, the AI seem to use Racing Soft which wear out ultra fast.

Then I ran out of fuel exiting the bus stop chicane on my 15th lap! 3:20 my last lap. Good think the C60 didn't start lap 15 because I would've been done for. Got the win thanks to C60 bad fortune.

1-stop on Racing Hards can be the biggest margin of victory. But cars which are marginal on fuel definitely need to be driven with fuel saving and no crashes. Driving style makes a huge difference to range in this event.

 

[mustafur]

Tbh winning in any LMP or Group C car other then a R18 and TS030 is rediculiously easy.

 

[MSZ]

What?
I am able to win it with high 1:35's with one stop.

What?

Not everyone is using the same car, those who need two stops at the pit will not win with 1:35.

 

[crooky369]

Tbh winning in any LMP or Group C car other then a R18 and TS030 is rediculiously easy.

And the Audi R10 as well. Which makes you realise straight away how messed up all the relative car speeds are because the Pescarolo Hybrid is miles quicker than the R10 despite the R10 being quicker in real life.

Would be interesting to rank the Le Mans cars slowest to fastest on the game and real life and see how they compare. Would be good to throw in a laptime as well to see how close they are that way. Like I reckon the R18 is too slow compared to real life and the 787B is far too quick.

 

[BlueArtic]

Why this event will be removed? I watched my stats and i drived about 2700 Km on this seasoal . I won it with R18, R10, R8, C60 Hybride, Speed 8, GT-One, 787B, V12 LMR, R92CP, XJR-9, C9 and multiple times with the 905B (all at stock except with R18, where i installed the High RPM Turbo) and i'm still enjoying it. Today i will try in the TS030 .