Daytona 24 Minute Race: Daytona Road Course

[scholesy1899]

You are 100% correct and yes a sure way to kill some driver including you.

Well done on providing a video for the folks that needed a reference point, I'm lazy in this respect. I'm not actually commenting on this quote, apologies.

Just a tip. I think your a little bit like I used to be, almost inhibited to use the whole track for fear of dropping a wheel. And in these beasts it's easy to understand.

You've said you've run the track many times, and I can't help thinking, that in that time you would have experimented with different lines, but in the video you almost start to corner cut and bash over every curb. This is because your initial turn in is far too early and your line becomes shallow as a result. Pretty much every infield corner needs opening up.
You could go a lot faster if you used the whole track. Be braver. Sometimes cruising a free run helps, it takes you out of that bat out of hell mentality for a while and you can be surprised how smoother a different line works out.

Watch a replay in the default replay cam, it shows a nice overhead shot of the first horseshoe hairpin. You should be kissing that curb as that's the apex point, nowhere do you need to mount the grass first. Remember out-in-out. The last infield left hander is painful to watch, keep right, kiss curb and out to the right again, that's why that little yellow strip is there, don't think you can even see it from where you are on the track. Same for the infield kink, small curb on the right, your in the middle of the track, you should be out wide touching that, continuing on the White line then turn in. You will gain time I assure you.

Just my observations, this is how I used to drive, just needed to open up tracks and this is actually quite hard to overcome, not counter intuitive as such but hard to make yourself do it.
Please take comments in the constructive manner they were intended, I'm not bashing on your driving Skeag.

I only saw you lap up to the R390 GT1, certainly not the whole field.

 

[TheLuigi755]

What would it be like to do the race in the Nissan GTR LM Nismo that was unveiled just today?
I wonder...
FWD sportscar racer with 600bhp? What would it be like?

 

[skeagracing]

Well done on providing a video for the folks that needed a reference point, I'm lazy in this respect. I'm not actually commenting on this quote, apologies.

Just a tip. I think your a little bit like I used to be, almost inhibited to use the whole track for fear of dropping a wheel. And in these beasts it's easy to understand.

You've said you've run the track many times, and I can't help thinking, that in that time you would have experimented with different lines, but in the video you almost start to corner cut and bash over every curb. This is because your initial turn in is far too early and your line becomes shallow as a result. Pretty much every infield corner needs opening up.
You could go a lot faster if you used the whole track. Be braver. Sometimes cruising a free run helps, it takes you out of that bat out of hell mentality for a while and you can be surprised how smoother a different line works out.

Watch a replay in the default replay cam, it shows a nice overhead shot of the first horseshoe hairpin. You should be kissing that curb as that's the apex point, nowhere do you need to mount the grass first. Remember out-in-out. The last infield left hander is painful to watch, keep right, kiss curb and out to the right again, that's why that little yellow strip is there, don't think you can even see it from where you are on the track. Same for the infield kink, small curb on the right, your in the middle of the track, you should be out wide touching that then turn in just after. You will gain time I assure you.

Just my observations, this is how I used to drive, just needed to open up tracks and this is actually quite hard to overcome, not counter intuitive as such but hard to make yourself do it.
Please take comments in the constructive manner they were intended, I'm not bashing on your driving Skeag.

All your comments are spot on, thank you. In GT6 it's a lot different than when I have run there in real life. As I am new to the GT6 game it’s not easy to replicate but with your template I have a good base line from which to work. Thank you for all your great observations.

 

[scholesy1899]

What would it be like to do the race in the Nissan GTR LM Nismo that was unveiled just today?
I wonder...
FWD sportscar racer with 600bhp? What would it be like?

Pretty planted I expect because bespoke P1 race car, not economy driven lowest denominator FWD road car. Engine mounted behind front wheels low a midship, custom suspension geometry that would I expect nullify any inherent problems FWD road car would face, massive front tires, plenty of downforce etc. etc. etc.

This is not going to be like ragging a Focus ST.

 

[BlueArtic]

I don't understand why i can't lap all cars . I've done a madman race with the 905B, two pit stops, laps always between 31.3 and 31.7, no penalties, and still lapped only 10 cars. (I crossed the line of 15th lap with 1 minute and 12 seconds left).

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Finally golded this event with my Jaguar purple racing beast !

 

[crooky369]

I don't understand why i can't lap all cars . I've done a madman race with the 905B, two pit stops, laps always between 31.3 and 31.7, no penalties, and still lapped only 10 cars. (I crossed the line of 15th lap with 1 minute and 12 seconds left).

Try the Pescarolo Hybrid '05 using the same strategy. I managed three consecutive laps around the low 1:27 / high 1:26s in the two stints after the first five laps where there's quite a bit of traffic and I guess you're still getting settled in.

Also a lot depends on who decides to spin. If Besson has a perfect race I've found him to be 15-20 seconds quicker than the rest of the field which is loads when you're trying to lap them. So try a few times and you might find the front runners have a bit of a shocker and the job of lapping them is easier.

 

[BlueArtic]

Try the Pescarolo Hybrid '05 using the same strategy. I managed three consecutive laps around the low 1:27 / high 1:26s in the two stints after the first five laps where there's quite a bit of traffic and I guess you're still getting settled in.

Also a lot depends on who decides to spin. If Besson has a perfect race I've found him to be 15-20 seconds quicker than the rest of the field which is loads when you're trying to lap them. So try a few times and you might find the front runners have a bit of a shocker and the job of lapping them is easier.

I must try this! I tried with C60 Hybrid, but was with standard tune and i needed 3 stops (i won anyway but by 3 seconds). But other people lapped them all with much slower times, oh well, probably i just got a race where no one made big mistakes

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

You've said you've run the track many times, and I can't help thinking, that in that time you would have experimented with different lines, but in the video you almost start to corner cut and bash over every curb. This is because your initial turn in is far too early and your line becomes shallow as a result. Pretty much every infield corner needs opening up.
You could go a lot faster if you used the whole track. Be braver. Sometimes cruising a free run helps, it takes you out of that bat out of hell mentality for a while and you can be surprised how smoother a different line works out.

Of course one of the best ways to learn the fastest lines of a (real) race on GT6 is to simply watch real world drivers on board video of the tracks via Youtube! I find it really helpful. I watched Daytona and Tsukuba and it's fun to see if your own lines etc match. It's really interesting to see real drivers thinking process, you almost feel a connection with their thinking. I now watch all the real tracks onboard cameras and make mental notes.

I once heard a few years ago an F1 driver say he used a Playstation to help him learn and practice courses before a race ha. I wish I could remember who it was.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

I know Sean Edwards who was killed in 2013 used computer simulation/video game setups to practice for real races. I think we will see this increase dramatically in the future where video game simulation will be used far more seriously for real drivers.

I watched his Daytona 24H on board camera, very interesting.

 

[scholesy1899]

Of course one of the best ways to learn the fastest lines of a (real) race on GT6 is to simply watch real world drivers on board video of the tracks via Youtube! I find it really helpful. I watched Daytona and Tsukuba and it's fun to see if your own lines etc match. It's really interesting to see real drivers thinking process, you almost feel a connection with their thinking. I now watch all the real tracks onboard cameras and make mental notes.

I once heard a few years ago an F1 driver say he used a Playstation to help him learn and practice courses before a race ha. I wish I could remember who it was.

That's a given in my book.

I've done this race with only two cars so far because of other commitments. DeltaWing '13 at 350bhp and Audi R8 Race Car '01 with real world 670bhp, very pleasant seasonal indeed, hasn't stretched me very much because I knew I didn't need to shred tires right out the gate, in turn not needing to come here even for car suggestion (I know exactly what I want run on this one)

But I trawl GTP every day so I was always going to come here eventually, so it has been nice seeing the thread develop. From quite a few people having trouble with it and through good suggestion and tips, realising they may be a bit of a throttle masher, to probably now looking at and playing GT6 in a whole different way.

As in the vids you've watched and certainly in GT6, smooth inputs, good throttle/brake modulation, using the whole track, not always so desperate to get past an opponent, so choose the incorrect passing point instead of staying patient will help you improve as a driver.

There is no substitute for real world racing or racing against clean humans on GT6 that you can get from the single player mode.
But if PD worked on the AI, a little better implementation, race length etc. these kind of seasonals could become really good if not great and help people get a better taste and experience from GT and actually become better drivers! even helping in dismissing there worries about going online with other humans, which they obviously want.
Well thought out single player races like this would even help the transition, teaching strategy, patience and that it's not all about chasing down the rabbit by using AI as brakes because the race is so short.

This thread is a testament to that, too many seasonals are a short sprint thrash, who can find the legal corner cut first, who picks the GSX/2J first or whatever unrealistic advantage.

PD need to develop these kind of seasonals more, the standing start argument will not last forever, along with poor AI this is how PD extrude the perception of a race and real competition.
Posts suggest nobodies worried about the unicorn car, because we're all having fun with it, rather than how quickly can I clear it. Also judging by the posts, some players have had epiphanies at how GT could be played.....'you mean I don't have to bash my way to the rabbit in 3 laps!!!! Wow!!!'

Apologies for rant and wall of text, carry on trying more cars on this seasonal.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

This thread is a testament to that, too many seasonals are a short sprint thrash, who can find the legal corner cut first, who picks the GSX/2J first or whatever unrealistic advantage.

Don't get me started on the GSX. I've been "attacked" before for saying I won't pick that car out of principle and get sick of so many online jumping to it in the quick match or seasonals. I'd rather try a range of cars than just stick to one that wins easiest. I understand on the time trial if that is literally the only way to get top 10, but c'mon.

I guess everyone has their own mentality, some just want to win regardless, and will select every advantage possible to achieve that, even if it means missing out on experiencing challenges or alternatives that won't always "win".
Some go to the mega extreme such as Lance Armstrong.

It was definitely an eye opener this Daytona having to think more than just going full speed and trying out pit stop and fuel saving strategies. Although It is refreshing to see cars crashing or spin out for once and hitting you ending your race, something I have never seen before. But yes of course it doesn't compare to real drivers.

Likewise in FIFA games, playing online is infinitely more interesting than the computer. But sadly too many people default to every exploitative repetitive tactic rather than play realistically. Which in turn can drive people who wouldn't normally do it feeling forced to do it.

 

[WhoosierGirl]

I don't understand why i can't lap all cars . I've done a madman race with the 905B, two pit stops, laps always between 31.3 and 31.7, no penalties, and still lapped only 10 cars. (I crossed the line of 15th lap with 1 minute and 12 seconds left).

If the AI has a good race, from what I have witnessed, it will take laps under 1:30 to lap them all. Getting into the 1:25/6's and they can be lapped without the extra lap. Keep at it and you will get them all soon enough. I bought a Mazda 787 last night with all the extra money I have been making on this one. Also having a blast with the C60, Wow is it fast!! First place on lap 2.

 

[Xposed2Play]

First place on lap 2

As was stated earlier, clearly you are the perfect woman...

 

[Cowboy]

Ladies and gentlemen, on my second try i did it. View attachment 301788

Any ideas for other cars i should try the race with? I've the done the 2012 Deltawing as shown above, the C9 and the GT-One. I tried doing it with the Viper Team Oreca and the Zonda R but i failed

Try the 787b, it can win fairly easily. Just be careful not to slam on the gas on the tight corners and you should be fine.

 

[NandoRock]

I've won with Chaparral 2J, 1 stop, 7.5 seconds of difference.

 

[MustangManiac]

Just call me...



...Mr. consistency Four different cars covered by 2 seconds. Trying to hit close to that 24:00 mark so I don't have to make an extra lap. Even managed to finish in the Jag without running out of fuel on the front stretch 👍

 

[skeagracing]

Audi R8 Race Car ’01. Cockpit race. No Penalties. Tune by me. Lapped the entire field. Fast laps of 1:32. Started on racing hard tires. Two pit stop strategy. First pit stop at the end of lap 5 taking full fuel and racing hard tires Second pit stop on lap 10 taking full fuel and racing hard tires. 55 inch TV is a great help to see the corners of the track.

 

[mustangxr]

I have a question about exiting the pits in this race. You are given control of your car back to you before the pit exit lane starts making a sweeping left hand turn, however, you can also drive straight back onto the race track right in the braking zone and turn in point of Turn 1. I can't imagine that they allow that in real world racing. You're basically putting lives at risk pulling onto the track at that point with the rate of speed cars are coming into Turn 1 with. Is the pit lane exit only like this for this particular race? Or do you always have two choices of how to exit the pits on the Daytona Road Course in GT6?

Forgive me if this has been discussed. I have been terribly sick for the past couple of weeks and I haven't been on top of the entire thread...

Yeah, I've tried both track entries, and driving straight out onto the track is faster and wider too, Ha Ha. The "official" track re-entry road from the pits is ridiculously narrow and non-realistic. (Maybe OK for a motorcycle) I just use my map to avoid being rear ended by race cars entering turn one. This is not a realistic game in the first place. The inside area of the track is not as wide as the real inside track. Just watch some IRL videos to see what I mean. The GT-6 inside track is narrower with some painted curbing additions also. And what kind of a race do you know of, that will start with the last place car 27 seconds down from the lead car??? And what race do you know of that will allow grass excursions like the "Bus Stop"? Sometimes I think I am back on my Motocross bike LOL.

Anyway, I use whatever I can get! Hope you are feeling better.

Yesterday, I was so tired from an early morning and then driving my F-350 all day (moving daughter) that I had trouble finishing with any car?!?! I find this seasonal odd, in that one day nothing you do will go wrong, and the next day Murphy takes over in the driver seat, and everything that can go wrong, will go wrong! Ha Ha.
Cheers, Pete

 

[skeagracing]

Yeah, I've tried both track entries, and driving straight out onto the track is faster and wider too, Ha Ha. The "official" track re-entry road from the pits is ridiculously narrow and non-realistic. (Maybe OK for a motorcycle) I just use my map to avoid being rear ended by race cars entering turn one. This is not a realistic game in the first place. The inside area of the track is not as wide as the real inside track. Just watch some IRL videos to see what I mean. The GT-6 inside track is narrower with some painted curbing additions also. And what kind of a race do you know of, that will start with the last place car 27 seconds down from the lead car??? And what race do you know of that will allow grass excursions like the "Bus Stop"? Sometimes I think I am back on my Motocross bike LOL.

Anyway, I use whatever I can get! Hope you are feeling better.

Yesterday, I was so tired from an early morning and then driving my F-350 all day (moving daughter) that I had trouble finishing with any car?!?! I find this seasonal odd, in that one day nothing you do will go wrong, and the next day Murphy takes over in the driver seat, and everything that can go wrong, will go wrong! Ha Ha.
Cheers, Pete

I use pit exit and still lap the field.

 

[iharrison9]

At last I've finally managed to win after over 30 attempts. Tried numerous cars and managed 2nd with most of them. I ditched the Praiano Tune on the Pescarolo C60 Hybrid and went with my own, better handling and faster top speed, 2nd attempt and a win. I run several identical races and only when the lead Rabbit makes a small mistake was it possible to win. Looking forward to next on line event, hopefully not 24 mins and a better track.

 

[soupcan]

I use pit exit and still lap the field.

I just watched your R8 video, you pass for the lead at the beginning of lap 12 and never pass second place again. Maybe there a miss understanding of what lapping the field means, I take it as passing all cars twice. The finishing order would show all cars -1 lap and they would have a higher finishing time than the winner.

 

[photonrider]

.......... Here is the original if you want to cut it, it's at 4128x2322:

Thanks, Mustang - it was the other graphic I was interested in; much appreciated. I have used it at the AI Center to post pretty much the hardest challenge any Rabbit hunter is going to have. You may actually end up on the Wall of Fame . . .

Thanks, again. And Good Luck! 👍

 

[BlueArtic]

If the AI has a good race, from what I have witnessed, it will take laps under 1:30 to lap them all. Getting into the 1:25/6's and they can be lapped without the extra lap. Keep at it and you will get them all soon enough. I bought a Mazda 787 last night with all the extra money I have been making on this one. Also having a blast with the C60, Wow is it fast!! First place on lap 2.

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Are you The Stig?

I tried the C60 Hybride, and i can only get 1.27.78X in time trial with RS . But i haven't tried yet a race with tuned C60, at stock i did 3 stops and won by 15 seconds. I will try tomorrow

 

[skeagracing]

I just watched your R8 video, you pass for the lead at the beginning of lap 12 and never pass second place again. Maybe there a miss understanding of what lapping the field means, I take it as passing all cars twice. The finishing order would show all cars -1 lap and they would have a higher finishing time than the winner.

I show the other 15 race cars 1 Lap with no time when the race was over.

 

[soupcan]

I show the other 15 race cars 1 Lap with no time when the race was over.

I have noticed the finishing order do that at times also but, it doesn't mean you did pass them all. What normally happens is when you win the race your total time is displayed and then the time that all the other cars finished their last complete lap is displayed. If you truly lapped them then their time is more than your winning time, if you did not pass them then their time is less.

I have been trying to pass them all and was confused myself when it showed I had passed all and I knew I had not.
I came here and looked at all the posts to figure it out, once WG posted her pictures I seen my what was happening.

Here are examples from this thread showing what I mean, the first pic is one from @ALB123 where it shows he lapped all of them but in reality he lapped up to the 11th place car, second one is from @WhoosierGirl with all cars lapped.

 

[skeagracing]

I have noticed the finishing order do that at times also but, it doesn't mean you did pass them all. What normally happens is when you win the race your total time is displayed and then the time that all the other cars finished their last complete lap is displayed. If you truly lapped them then their time is more than your winning time, if you did not pass them then their time is less.

I have been trying to pass them all and was confused myself when it showed I had passed all and I knew I had not.
I came here and looked at all the posts to figure it out, once WG posted her pictures I seen my what was happening.

Here are examples from this thread showing what I mean, the first pic is one from @ALB123 where it shows he lapped all of them but in reality he lapped up to the 11th place car, second one is from @WhoosierGirl with all cars lapped.


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I want my stuff that I put out there to be 1000% correct so what was my finishing order?? How many cars did I lap at the finish?? And how do I prevent this from happening? I am confused too!! Need help!!

 

[soupcan]

At 18:40 you pass for the lead which is the beginning of lap 12, the only cars you appear to lap are the R390 as it is leaving the pits at the beginning of lap of lap 14 and the AMG at the line on lap 15. If you watch from 18:00 minutes on in your video you will see what I am talking about.

I am trying, unsuccessfully so far, to lap the field myself and I was confused by how you could be doing it with 1'34 lap times. I can see that it would take under 1:28's to have a chance to do it.

 

[skeagracing]

At 18:40 you pass for the lead which is the beginning of lap 12, the only cars you appear to lap are the R390 as it is leaving the pits at the beginning of lap of lap 14 and the AMG at the line on lap 15. If you watch from 18:00 minutes on in your video you will see what I am talking about.

I am trying, unsuccessfully so far, to lap the field myself and I was confused by how you could be doing it with 1'34 lap times. I can see that it would take under 1:28's to have a chance to do it.

Thank you!! I owe you big time. I will take a look. I think from now on I am just going to post a race and let whoever figure it out what the finishing order is...LOL!

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

Thank you!! I owe you big time. I will take a look. I think from now on I am just going to post a race and let whoever figure it out what the finishing order is...LOL!

Is that you in the photo?