Daytona 24 Minute Race: Daytona Road Course

[mustangxr]

So I completed the race with the Jaguar XJR-9. Took several attempts as I found out it wasn't as generous on its tires as the R92CP was and was abit more thirsty. Had to do a 4 stop strategy (every 3 laps), which took abit longer to get to the lead but it worked out despite a spin just before the third pit stop. Decided I'm gonna have one more go and that would be with the R89C. Will it have the tire wear and fuel sipping of its younger sibling or will it be just as vicious on tire and thirsty as the Jag? I'm going to find out.

Good for you Mr. Racecar,
I have been watching my tires after a particularly lurid spinout, and I have noticed that one big spinout will deplete my tires as much as one whole laps worth of wear. Yeah, like most of my tire numbers will go down one whole digit after a spin!?!? This is probably real, although we are under accelerated wear world here in this race.

Makes avoiding spinouts and penalties all the more important, GULP!

Cheers, Pete

 

[1Lambofan]

I have not done it yet, but in the description it says something about the pit limit being 60mph and do not exceed it or you'll have 10 sec added to your pit stop. Does this mean that you will pace your self?

 

[mustangxr]

I have not done it yet, but in the description it says something about the pit limit being 60mph and do not exceed it or you'll have 10 sec added to your pit stop. Does this mean that you will pace your self?

I'm not totally convinced of being right about the pit entry strategy here, although I have stopped getting pit penalties. There is an extra yellow line just prior to entering pit lane and I make sure my speed is 50 mph by the end of that yellow line and all is well. I just watched Skeagracing's video and he enters around 100 mph?!?! I think car placement is key here but being a bit slower is the cautious approach and the other danger is not being in the right placement for entry and finding NO SCREEN for tires and fuel or A SCREEN THAT JUST FLASHES UP and then it's gone, then you get what you are given with no choice! I really dislike that!

Once the autopilot takes over and steers/controls the speed, the car sits at 49 or 50 mph so what does it cost to be at 50 BY THE END OF THAT YELLOW LINE!
Cheers, Pete

 

[Scuderia Paul]

What's your average lap time?

I was doing 1'33.2 - 1'34 during a stint when not being bullied or when I had my big off as I calculated fuel when I was battling away.

The 908 was my favourite GT5 car, the TS030 pips it now, and any excuse to break it out is welcome.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

I always short shift, to save the rear tires, are there any 1st gear corners on this track?

There are plenty of 1st gear corners, watch skeagracing video he uses 1st gear where I do. So it was a conscious effort for me not to use 1st.

However he has shown you can drive normally full throttle in every gear and pit twice.

 

[cjr3559]

I never use the cockpit view because of the sensorial deprivation I experience. I figure that we are operating with less than half of what we would normally have IRL from the deprivation of peripheral vision, sound, feel, etc. So I run with the top of the windshield view, if only to faster identify incipient yaw preceding a spinout! I figure I need to make up the difference somehow. In a real race car, the feel is key to anticipating a slide. There is no way we can get that with our one dimensional screen and howling tires so.......

Going to chime in on the cockpit view --

I agree about the sensory deprivation, but I use the cockpit view whenever I can. It's certainly a challenge in the closed cockpit LMP's that's for sure. (nice work, skeagracing!)

Selecting the right car for my tastes was probably the most fun part of this event. I love the open cockpit cars but the only problem is, even though PD claims the Pescarolos have 'detailed interiors', they're of the PS2 low definition type with no functioning gauges. And since I find it extremely difficult to see the tachometer when using the cockpit view on these cars, I ultimately use the 'normal view' which in turn makes it considerably easier to see the apexes.

I still want to win this event with the Audi R10 TDI using cockpit view, but the best I managed is 4th.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

I'm not totally convinced of being right about the pit entry strategy here, although I have stopped getting pit penalties. There is an extra yellow line just prior to entering pit lane and I make sure my speed is 50 mph by the end of that yellow line and all is well. I just watched Skeagracing's video and he enters around 100 mph?!?!

When I enter the pits the car automatically goes down to 49 MPH, so I don't know about the penalty, I've never
seen it. How do you know when you have got a penalty? I have never not had the screen come up.

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

Like a bat out of hell....!!!

That was my instinct from the beginning, to just drive it like a madman and fast. But I kept running
out of fuel and not being ahead of 1st enough. But I will keep trying it.

If you do it the speed route, you have to be fast every lap. If you do it the economy route it is less stressful.
So I guess both work?

In terms of fun I much prefer the Bat out of hell method.

 

[RACECAR]

I'm not totally convinced of being right about the pit entry strategy here, although I have stopped getting pit penalties. There is an extra yellow line just prior to entering pit lane and I make sure my speed is 50 mph by the end of that yellow line and all is well. I just watched Skeagracing's video and he enters around 100 mph?!?! I think car placement is key here but being a bit slower is the cautious approach and the other danger is not being in the right placement for entry and finding NO SCREEN for tires and fuel or A SCREEN THAT JUST FLASHES UP and then it's gone, then you get what you are given with no choice! I really dislike that!

Once the autopilot takes over and steers/controls the speed, the car sits at 49 or 50 mph so what does it cost to be at 50 BY THE END OF THAT YELLOW LINE!
Cheers, Pete

I usually do the WTR style charge in, getting the speed down to just at or under 50 at the last possible second (thank you, based ABS).

 

[mustangxr]

When I enter the pits the car automatically goes down to 49 MPH, so I don't know about the penalty, I've never
seen it. How do you know when you have got a penalty? I have never not had the screen come up.

Alex,
You know you have a pit penalty when the tires are changed, the car is back on the ground, the fuel is full, and the red brake light is on in the cockpit. You then sit there swearing until all the fast guys have gone zipping by, watching the red light and waiting with the gas pedal depressed to the floor, and did I mention swearing alot?? Ha Ha!
Cheers, Pete

 

[mustangxr]

I usually do the WTR style charge in, getting the speed down to just at or under 50 at the last possible second (thank you, based ABS).

Ummm, what does Whiskey Tango Romeo stand for??

 

[RACECAR]

Ummm, what does Whiskey Tango Romeo stand for??

I was referring to Wayne Taylor Racing, when they were charging into pit lane at the 24.

 

[mustangxr]

That was my instinct from the beginning, to just drive it like a madman and fast. But I kept running
out of fuel and not being ahead of 1st enough. But I will keep trying it.

If you do it the speed route, you have to be fast every lap. If you do it the economy route it is less stressful.
So I guess both work?

In terms of fun I much prefer the Bat out of hell method.

I know, going fast is always more fun. Although I kind of miss the real 24 hour races we had in GT-5, where you could actually drive for 24 hours. That is where I learned the consistency factor that really pays off. Like making very few mistakes while driving in the dark, wet night on the Nordschliefe, for hours and hours. The satisfaction of seeing yourself one lap ahead on the Nordschliefe was well earned. With real tire wear and fuel consumption etc.

Cheers, Pete

 

[mustangxr]

I was referring to Wayne Taylor Racing, when they were charging into pit lane at the 24.

Oh, I see. I missed watching that

 

[Alex Ojideagu]

Alex,
You know you have a pit penalty when the tires are changed, the car is back on the ground, the fuel is full, and the red brake light is on in the cockpit. You then sit there swearing until all the fast guys have gone zipping by, watching the red light and waiting with the gas pedal depressed to the floor, and did I mention swearing alot?? Ha Ha!
Cheers, Pete

Ha oh I see! So you just wait longer while the Stig holds a sign in front of you for longer.

 

[RACECAR]

Finally won the race with the R89C. What did I do differently? Well, something I didn't even think could work: Using the R92CP's Suspension setup. It would appear that was what made the difference as not only was the car actually easier to drive, but it was much nicer on the tires and enabled me to use the three stop strategy (Every 4 laps). It got to a point where I was just as relaxed in it as I was in the R92CP despite the qualifying laps I was putting on. I got the fuel wrong but thankfully, it waited until I had a massive lead on the final lap to run out so I just coasted to the line and barely got the flag after the time ran out

 

[WhoosierGirl]

I have admittedly spent way more time than I should getting two or three races in before bed every night but, I enjoy these events so much. I have used everything from the Pescarolo Hydrid which is crazy fast (1:23's on RS's) to the RX-7 touring car (2nd place, oh so close). Had my closest finish yet (.600) in the Viper and got taken out by Pescarolo Sport in a fit of road rage, lol. Also turned my Mazda GT300 into a flying saucer, lol.

Latest winners;

Pescarolo Hybride RS/RH/RS
Zonda R RHx3
Panoz GTR-1 RHx3
XJ200 LM RH/RH/RM
GT-R concept LM RH/RH/RM
Supra GT-500 RHx3
Viper GTS-R RHx3
Nomad Diablo GT-1 RHx3

The not quite there yets;

RX-7 GT-300 7th place RHx2
RX-7 touring car 2nd place RHx2
Audi TT-R 5th place RHx2
BMW M3 GTR 4th place RHx2

Watch out for flying pink objects.

 

[RACECAR]

Wow,

Much speed, so fly.

 

[1Lambofan]

I'm not totally convinced of being right about the pit entry strategy here, although I have stopped getting pit penalties. There is an extra yellow line just prior to entering pit lane and I make sure my speed is 50 mph by the end of that yellow line and all is well. I just watched Skeagracing's video and he enters around 100 mph?!?! I think car placement is key here but being a bit slower is the cautious approach and the other danger is not being in the right placement for entry and finding NO SCREEN for tires and fuel or A SCREEN THAT JUST FLASHES UP and then it's gone, then you get what you are given with no choice! I really dislike that!

Once the autopilot takes over and steers/controls the speed, the car sits at 49 or 50 mph so what does it cost to be at 50 BY THE END OF THAT YELLOW LINE!
Cheers, Pete

Ok. Thanks

 

[skeagracing]

I usually do the WTR style charge in, getting the speed down to just at or under 50 at the last possible second (thank you, based ABS).

I tested the entry speed to pit lane and any speed up to a 100 miles will work without incurring a penalty. Just make sure that you stay on the right of the yellow line and you will be fine. The difference between 50 and a 100 miles into pit lane does make a difference in your overall time so I go to as close to a 100 as possible during entry. On exit from pit lane I stay in first gear until I clear the left hand turn on the way out and then it pedal to the metal until the first turn as your tires will be like ice for a few corners until they come up to speed.

 

[BenMillard]

Managed to 1-stop the Bentley EXP Speed 8 2003 using same tune as my 2-stop win.


Strategy

Start:
RH
Full tank

End of Lap 7, about 11m30s into race:
No penalty. (It really is a full 10 seconds if you trigger it! Check @WhoosierGirl photos for entering pit lane correctly.)
RH
+101 litres of fuel
Drive more gently!

Story

This was my 3rd ever time trying to do the proper 'endurance style' of racing:

• coast toward the end of long straights;
• brake gently, pump it if struggling for finesse;
  
• never use 1st or 2nd gear;
• shift 500rpm before the redline;
• and use slow cars as a chance to draft rather than overtake - especially at the ends of straights!

Won by ~53 seconds over...another Bentley!

Luckily they didn't quite get to the 15th lap. I ran out of fuel exiting the final banking on my 15th lap. Was driving that 15th lap extremely gently, barely going over 250km/h outside of the tow. AI is very slow at this stage of the race so the slipstream is easy to get into and I leapfrogged several cars without much throttle.

Also ran out of fuel at the end of my 7th lap, about 200m from the pit lane entry. Was driving too hard through the first part of the race. This might have given me good tows and I was keeping it clean.

Seems important to pass the 'tortoise' AMG CLK GTR-LM early on, as it's much slower than everything else.

Coasting into turn one and braking gently was saving the tyres a lot and sparing me penalties from crashing or ramming. Also doing this into the bus stop chicane. Avoided spinning the wheels or even making them screech, where possible.

 

[N0t_L3fty]

The question remains, did you have fun? Worrying about your tires & fuel. About collecting some penalty because machine head is an idiot. Drive it like you stole it!!! Not sure what the point of proper is, do you get extra credits? No... So there is no point. Oh well whatever trips your trigger... Snag those credits you have a couple of weeks left. (Madrid 3 million credits/hour) More bang for your buck...
Never mind me, just flapping my jaws...

 

[ALB123]

I have a question about exiting the pits in this race. You are given control of your car back to you before the pit exit lane starts making a sweeping left hand turn, however, you can also drive straight back onto the race track right in the braking zone and turn in point of Turn 1. I can't imagine that they allow that in real world racing. You're basically putting lives at risk pulling onto the track at that point with the rate of speed cars are coming into Turn 1 with. Is the pit lane exit only like this for this particular race? Or do you always have two choices of how to exit the pits on the Daytona Road Course in GT6?

Forgive me if this has been discussed. I have been terribly sick for the past couple of weeks and I haven't been on top of the entire thread...

 

[N0t_L3fty]

I believe you are required to use the pit lane exit, I don't believe you can enter traffic in that corner. Seems that would be a sure way to kill some folks & drive up ratings...

 

[ALB123]

I believe you are required to use the pit lane exit, I don't believe you can enter traffic in that corner. Seems that would be a sure way to kill some folks & drive up ratings...

Oh, I have no question that you can't do that in real life racing. I'm just curious why it's allowed in GT6? Has it always allowed you to get off of pit lane this way on the Daytona Road Course? This race is the only time I've ever experienced the pits at Daytona Road Course.

 

[N0t_L3fty]

I doubt that it has ever crossed their minds either, we are talking about PD here. They are some what out over their skies any more.

 

[RACECAR]

I have a question about exiting the pits in this race. You are given control of your car back to you before the pit exit lane starts making a sweeping left hand turn, however, you can also drive straight back onto the race track right in the braking zone and turn in point of Turn 1. I can't imagine that they allow that in real world racing. You're basically putting lives at risk pulling onto the track at that point with the rate of speed cars are coming into Turn 1 with. Is the pit lane exit only like this for this particular race? Or do you always have two choices of how to exit the pits on the Daytona Road Course in GT6?

Forgive me if this has been discussed. I have been terribly sick for the past couple of weeks and I haven't been on top of the entire thread...

You do have the choice of using the actual pit exit as the AI do, or just going out straight onto the track. Just because I'm sort of a stickler for real life, I tend to use the actual pit exit (that and the chances of being hit by the AI as they fly into the corner are drastically reduced). As far as I'm aware, you've always had this choice.

 

[skeagracing]

I believe you are required to use the pit lane exit, I don't believe you can enter traffic in that corner. Seems that would be a sure way to kill some folks & drive up ratings...

You are 100% correct and yes a sure way to kill some driver including you.

 

[MustangManiac]

The question remains, did you have fun? Worrying about your tires & fuel. About collecting some penalty because machine head is an idiot. Drive it like you stole it!!! Not sure what the point of proper is, do you get extra credits? No... So there is no point. Oh well whatever trips your trigger... Snag those credits you have a couple of weeks left. (Madrid 3 million credits/hour) More bang for your buck...
Never mind me, just flapping my jaws...

Personally, yes, I have fun worrying about fuel & tires. It's called strategy and is an extremely important part of actual endurance racing. For me, we have more than enough hot lap and chase the rabbit events in GT6 and not near enough endurance ones so it's not surprising to see many of us enjoy that aspect in this event. Like you said, to each their own

 

[RACECAR]

I personally enjoyed it. While I didn't use as much strategy, it was fun to run it like a real race.