December Car of the Month - McLaren MP4-12C '10 - COME JOIN THE FUN!

[Bowtie-muscle]

First thing's first. Thank you for bringing us all the CotM thread, it's been a great addition to the forum and hugely entertaining to read through the past few months. And thank you and everyone else for making this newbie (Bully!? ) feel at home. I would have loved to join in last month but my Maserati was driving me a little more than usual and I ran out of time.

Secondly. Sorry to be a pain, but mine is only 550pp at the moment. Don't get me wrong, it might work at 600 but I for one haven't tried it yet and I'd hate to be responsible for all those high insurance premiums. At least not based on that. If the 550 one does the same, sorry peeps

Thank you, and I fixed it.

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

@ImToLegitToQuit Review
MP4-12C '10

First off, it’s a pleasure to finally try one of your tunes 👍, you and a few others are on that long list of mine but it seems easier now that I think of it to let the tuners come to me.

Second, thanks, I tried your tuning on the TT and brought my time down from 1:36.814 to 1:36.444 👍.

Third since it’s the first time you get a review from me don’t take anything I say personally, especially the positive stuff, I’m a so-so driver and a “experimental” tuner (like I’ll try anything ), and I can’t change the oil in my car, but I sure know how to change a flat tire (4x in the last 2 years). I also like understanding how things work and just like having fun, sometimes that combination does weird things.

So I can’t mention on what tracks I tried it, I can’t tell you what your lap times were, but I can tell you this car is fast (compared to mine), and if I had a little more throttle control there are quite a few curves I could have taken so much faster. Your setup for your spring rate was unusual to me, it worked great but on certain tracks that I can’t mention, there were times when you could here the engine sound changing as the rear would lose grip on the pavement in a straight line, it was also quite sensitive to the rumble strips on the tracks, I know we should drive on the road but it’s a disease I have to cut corners . Medium and high speed curves are taken quite easily, but very slow curves are a pain, but this might be due more to the driver than the car. I always love it when people do things differently, can’t say I understand why you chose those transmission gear ratios or why you chose a high accel. sens. on the MLSD, but it worked and that’s great to see alternate ways. Great car, it was a blast on a few of the tracks 👍, bit scary on one , totally relaxing on an other and real fun on all, it’s to bad I can’t tell you so you could try it and see what I mean, but that day will come. BTW you’re ranked number 1 👍👍👍 right now in the championship, of course you are alone on the track so far.

Sorry for the late reply man, I haven't been getting updates lately. I appreciate the review even though it's highly redacted lol.

 

[Thorin Cain]

So, @TurnLeft. I was wandering around, minding my own business and all of a sudden. THUMP! What the....!?
It seems as though I stumbled into an Invisible car. ( Oh, come on! You knew it was going to happen!) So I get inside. And. Well......To be continued!

But seriously. I was inputting your clone's settings on to a nice shiny new Fire Black iPod and it seems we have a little issue. In your tune sheet there seems to be a little discrepancy with the weight distribution. It has 41:59 with 122 Kg @ -50? That Ballast data gives 48:52. It would seem that you may have +ed to many -es my friend

 

[TurnLeft]

So, @TurnLeft. I was wandering around, minding my own business and all of a sudden. THUMP! What the....!?
It seems as though I stumbled into an Invisible car. ( Oh, come on! You knew it was going to happen!) So I get inside. And. Well......To be continued!

But seriously. I was inputting your clone's settings on to a nice shiny new Fire Black iPod and it seems we have a little issue. In your tune sheet there seems to be a little discrepancy with the weight distribution. It has 41:59 with 122 Kg @ -50? That Ballast data gives 48:52. It would seem that you may have +ed to many -es my friend

Duh, those invisible kg are so tricky to count, sorry (just fixed it). I just raced both of the emu's last night, on the TT's the RX8 was much faster but in the game tracks it was the opposite, the Rocket whipped the RX8 'derriere' off, kinda of disappointed by both of them , but there's something to be learnt here, but what?????????

 

[TurnLeft]

Sorry for the late reply man, I haven't been getting updates lately. I appreciate the review even though it's highly redacted lol.

I fully understand about the alerts , I guess gtplanet does get colds once in a while. As for the reviews, yes they are not super informative, I usually will say where on a track I have an issue but for this month we decided to follow that idea you had for a one make race championship, and we want to keep the results and tracks used secret until everyone has been tallied up so I'm a little limited 🤬 to my comments. Also I'm not the greatest analyzer/driver/tuner there is so my reviews may not be to FITT standards. This being the last month of the year I just wanted it to be a fun and a relaxed event, at least that's what I aimed for, I think that this is what @Bowtie-muscle was looking to do with this thread, but if you want more meat and gravy in your dish I'm always open to discuss the car that I reviewed with the owner, really I do love that.

Also one little note, since your alerts were malfunctioning you may have missed the post right after where you were also tagged, just a small in house game we play between us. Take care, .

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

I fully understand about the alerts , I guess gtplanet does get colds once in a while. As for the reviews, yes they are not super informative, I usually will say where on a track I have an issue but for this month we decided to follow that idea you had for a one make race championship, and we want to keep the results and tracks used secret until everyone has been tallied up so I'm a little limited 🤬 to my comments. Also I'm not the greatest analyzer/driver/tuner there is so my reviews may not be to FITT standards. This being the last month of the year I just wanted it to be a fun and a relaxed event, at least that's what I aimed for, I think that this is what @Bowtie-muscle was looking to do with this thread, but if you want more meat and gravy in your dish I'm always open to discuss the car that I reviewed with the owner, really I do love that.

Also one little note, since your alerts were malfunctioning you may have missed the post right after where you were also tagged, just a small in house game we play between us. Take care, .

right on man, but by 1 make race i meant actual racing. It would be cool to have everyone choose their favorite tune from this thread and then get out on the track and have at it. we could even differentiate them by color so 550pp could all be blue and 600 could all be red, etc.

 

[TurnLeft]

right on man, but by 1 make race i meant actual racing. It would be cool to have everyone choose their favorite tune from this thread and then get out on the track and have at it. we could even differentiate them by color so 550pp could all be blue and 600 could all be red, etc.

Cool , would this be on line or in game? There could be a problem for on line race since there are tuners from different time zones.

 

[TurnLeft]

@ shaunm80

McLaren MP4-12C '10 550PP/SS

I’ll do like @cbarbosa 👍 and use few words to describe it, "smooth as silk" 👍. That's it man..................,well maybe just a bit more. I didn’t put TC1 because I think I’m faster without it, and honestly I think you should try it to, you’d be surprised at how well this one hugs the road. I can’t give away anything but so far your car is faring quite well. I really liked it and from now on when I try your cars I will always use TC0, it may be what has bothered me in the past. Great stability, in/through/out of curves, and believe me I really needed it on these tracks. The only reproach I can make to it is I wish it would have a little more speed because it could handle it. Maybe revising the transmission setup could help.
Now that's it, seriously. Great job shaunm80, just between you and me, on one particular track you are in the lead, 5 cars done and 3 or more to go, and from where he is @Bowtie-muscle can't even see your brake lights, but sssh, don't start teasing him yet .

 

[TurnLeft]

@shaunm80
McLaren MP4-12C '10 600PP/RM

Quite different in feel from the 550PP/SS model, more loose 👍, on track 1 & 5 it would take hairpin curves really well 👍, but sometimes in fast S type curves you could feel the body weight pushing the car out and I had to struggle to keep it in line . From all the cars I tried from you this one is different and I can’t put my finger on what it is. My lap times are usually pretty close together with your tunes but not this time . I might be pushing it too much when I should just let it go, great car but a bit over my driving skills for now. Just reread what I wrote and it sounds like your 10 miles behind the other car, but no your sometimes either in front or behind your arch rival (name= 🤬). Well I'm off to finish some unfinished buisiness with one of your cars, hum what could that be?

 

[shaunm80]

@ shaunm80

McLaren MP4-12C '10 550PP/SS

I’ll do like @cbarbosa 👍 and use few words to describe it, "smooth as silk" 👍. That's it man..................,well maybe just a bit more. I didn’t put TC1 because I think I’m faster without it, and honestly I think you should try it to, you’d be surprised at how well this one hugs the road. I can’t give away anything but so far your car is faring quite well. I really liked it and from now on when I try your cars I will always use TC0, it may be what has bothered me in the past. Great stability, in/through/out of curves, and believe me I really needed it on these tracks. The only reproach I can make to it is I wish it would have a little more speed because it could handle it. Maybe revising the transmission setup could help.
Now that's it, seriously. Great job shaunm80, just between you and me, on one particular track you are in the lead, 5 cars done and 3 or more to go, and from where he is @Bowtie-muscle can't even see your brake lights, but sssh, don't start teasing him yet .

Excellent news indeed, I won't start teasing @Bowtie-muscle just yet... but soon. No, It is not in my nature to tease, I take the good reviews with the not so good reviews and this is being filed in the good review pile. I am most intrigued into what tracks and challenges you are putting all of our cars through and look forward to finding out.

@shaunm80
McLaren MP4-12C '10 600PP/RM

Quite different in feel from the 550PP/SS model, more loose 👍, on track 1 & 5 it would take hairpin curves really well 👍, but sometimes in fast S type curves you could feel the body weight pushing the car out and I had to struggle to keep it in line . From all the cars I tried from you this one is different and I can’t put my finger on what it is. My lap times are usually pretty close together with your tunes but not this time . I might be pushing it too much when I should just let it go, great car but a bit over my driving skills for now. Just reread what I wrote and it sounds like your 10 miles behind the other car, but no your sometimes either in front or behind your arch rival (name= 🤬). Well I'm off to finish some unfinished buisiness with one of your cars, hum what could that be?

Knowing which car this was based on, I can't say that I am too surprised by your assessment of it. It was a experimental GT3 car which was very fast in a straight line, just felt odd through the corners and I never ironed that issue out. like you, I couldn't put my finger on why it was behaving that way. However, it was really fast and that made me happy at the end of the day. I have an arch rival.. nice. I look forward to finding out who this mysterious person is.. It must be someone from my FITT challenge friends.. I shall put my thinking cap on and figure out who my new arch rival is..

Thanks for the reviews. as always, they make this thread fun and interesting which is the whole point of this thread in my opinion. Great job! 👍

 

[TurnLeft]

@shaunm80

Well hello again, welcome to the 'Bowtie Games' previously know as the critic's challenge. There is no obligation of your part to participate to this but if you don't you'll be missing out on a unique experience.

Rules:
1. I choose the track, conditions, and time trial regulations.
2. Tuner and reviewer use the reviewed car for the time trial.
3. Times are posted by each of the drivers, there is a gentleman’s agreement that each person will put down the true time.
4. You must have fun doing this, this is not an option

1. Track: Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
2. Car tuned: Well look at the picture, notice the tires, notice the suspension, notice the engine went out to refuel, so these are the settings: Using your 550PP/SS model

TIRES: Comfort Hard (couldn't find any granite tires so I settled for these.)

SUSPENSION
Ride Height F/R =85
Spring Rate: F=15.50 , R=22.99 (it does look stiff on the picture)
Dampers Compression & Extension: everything at 10
Anti Roll Bars: F/R=7 ( those rock solid wheels act as ARB's, can't get any stiffer than that.)
Camber & Toe Angle: F/R= 0 ( just don't see any here)

4. Grip reduction on Wet Track/Track Edge = Real
5. All the rest stays as is
6. No driving aids what so ever, nothing, nada, no abs, SRF,TC, Active Steering, ControlSensitivity, you get the picture. (just didn't exist on this model)

7. 5 laps, best time wins. Laps invalid don’t count. Good Luck.


Advice: When you get to the top of the hill, jump out, it's the safest way.

TurnLeft's Time To Beat is 1:48.025

 

[shaunm80]

@shaunm80
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Well hello again, welcome to the 'Bowtie Games' previously know as the critic's challenge. There is no obligation of your part to participate to this but if you don't you'll be missing out on a unique experience.

Rules:
1. I choose the track, conditions, and time trial regulations.
2. Tuner and reviewer use the reviewed car for the time trial.
3. Times are posted by each of the drivers, there is a gentleman’s agreement that each person will put down the true time.
4. You must have fun doing this, this is not an option

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1. Track: Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
2. Car tuned: Well look at the picture, notice the tires, notice the suspension, notice the engine went out to refuel, so these are the settings: Using your 550PP/SS model

TIRES: Comfort Hard (couldn't find any granite tires so I settled for these.)

SUSPENSION
Ride Height F/R =85
Spring Rate: F=15.50 , R=22.99 (it does look stiff on the picture)
Dampers Compression & Extension: everything at 10
Anti Roll Bars: F/R=7 ( those rock solid wheels act as ARB's, can't get any stiffer than that.)
Camber & Toe Angle: F/R= 0 ( just don't see any here)

4. Grip reduction on Wet Track/Track Edge = Real
5. All the rest stays as is
6. No driving aids what so ever, nothing, nada, no abs, SRF,TC, Active Steering, ControlSensitivity, you get the picture. (just didn't exist on this model)

7. 5 laps, best time wins. Laps invalid don’t count. Good Luck.


Advice: When you get to the top of the hill, jump out, it's the safest way.

TurnLeft's Time To Beat is 1:48.025

Something tells me the corkscrew is going to be fun with this setup... Of course ill give it a bash and see what I can yabba dabba do!

 

[SPENCEINATOR]

It may be one of these 2, but only Badger knows:

• Ferrari 458 Italia '09 Grigio Ferro Met
• Ferrari California '08 Grigio Ferro Met

Hope it helps.

Nissan Skyline R32 '94 spec II (Premium Model) ;-)

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

Cool , would this be on line or in game? There could be a problem for on line race since there are tuners from different time zones.

Yeah I know everyone is around the world but we should be able to get a decent group on the weekend or something. Even just 4 or 5 guys would be a lot of fun.

 

[TurnLeft]

Yeah I know everyone is around the world but we should be able to get a decent group on the weekend or something. Even just 4 or 5 guys would be a lot of fun.

If the time works out for me I would be in, but I have no idea how online races work and I'm pretty much stretched out thin testing cars right now to find the time to organize it, but if someone wants to do it, I'm in, there's a first to everything.👍

 

[Thorin Cain]

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It makes me want to laugh so much, but I'm still shaking at the prospect of what I've got coming my way So, I'll just let him do it->

I've got to try this one out at some point Looks fun!👍

 

[Thorin Cain]

Sorry, for the double post! (Seems to be happening a lot these days.)

@TurnLeft. After building and having a quick test of your clone yesterday (Yes! That one!) I had a thought about how to best approach doing a review for it. I was hoping to keep it a secret from you and let you sweat a little. But truth be told, I actually would like to ask for your assistance with it.( Strange request I know folks, but the reason will become clear and fairly obvious once you read my request.👍)

I was wondering if you would mind using your Emulator's tyre compensator to provide a couple of sets of spring rate settings. One for your Clone and the other for the Donor car?

These are purely for the purpose of doing a full comparison and I understand any reluctance you may feel in doing this. But I hope you understand where I'm going with it and see the merits of it.💡 (Fun, yes. But just not the same without the light-bulb. I know the cursor says "Idea" but to me it says "Dude! Where's my hat?")

What I am asking for is a another set of spring rates for your MP4 for use on RS tyres and a set for the RX-8 donor car for SS tyres. If you don't mind of course.

You could send them by PM if you'd rather. Or just tell me to 🤬 off, I'd completely understand and would bare absolutely no ill will.👍 I can complete a review without them just fine.(There would be less testing involved at least.) And I promise no lap-times mentioned unless the iPod wins! And I'll give you 94% of the credit!

 

[TurnLeft]

Sorry, for the double post! (Seems to be happening a lot these days.)

@TurnLeft. After building and having a quick test of your clone yesterday (Yes! That one!) I had a thought about how to best approach doing a review for it. I was hoping to keep it a secret from you and let you sweat a little. But truth be told, I actually would like to ask for your assistance with it.( Strange request I know folks, but the reason will become clear and fairly obvious once you read my request.👍)

I was wondering if you would mind using your Emulator's tyre compensator to provide a couple of sets of spring rate settings. One for your Clone and the other for the Donor car?

These are purely for the purpose of doing a full comparison and I understand any reluctance you may feel in doing this. But I hope you understand where I'm going with it and see the merits of it.💡 (Fun, yes. But just not the same without the light-bulb. I know the cursor says "Idea" but to me it says "Dude! Where's my hat?")

What I am asking for is a another set of spring rates for your MP4 for use on RS tyres and a set for the RX-8 donor car for SS tyres. If you don't mind of course.

You could send them by PM if you'd rather. Or just tell me to 🤬 off, I'd completely understand and would bare absolutely no ill will.👍 I can complete a review without them just fine.(There would be less testing involved at least.) And I promise no lap-times mentioned unless the iPod wins! And I'll give you 94% of the credit!

For sure sir, and with great pleasure 👍, but if you checked in your Inbox you would have seen that they were already there , yes I do have ways of knowing certain things when my mind is not foggy,

but unfortunately there always seems to be a mist around me.

 

[cbarbosa]

McLaren MP4-12C '10 - 520PP/550PP/600PP - SH & SS Review, by @Bowtie-muscle

As i'm not a guy of many words, this is my review for "Car of the Month" McLaren MP4-12C '10, thread by @Bowtie-muscle.

OK, here we go:

The tuner - @Bowtie-muscle... Two things are certain for Mr. B., he likes to tune cars and if they can be in a gorgeous blue, even better... This is not the 1st tune I have of his garage in mine, as a matter of fact, I have several... So I was curious about this new creation...

The car - Made exactly has the tuner specs (color, tune and specs), it is a blue beauty, just look at her...

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As known, this car is a "3 in 1", meaning you get 3 different versions in one car... The 520PP was more focused on the BHatch seasonal, regarding made in Britain cars... I tried to cover all the stages of the car, testing all versions with all tyre range mentioned. So, taking the chance of being a way big review, i'll just focus on the seasonal races and the final race of the 3, from "Tour of Europe" and "SuperCar Festival"...

The review - 1st...

Brands Hatch Seasonal
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Being held on a great modern/classic track, the main target of this seasonal has been simply one - beat the LCC Rocket...
Well, this car did, and more...

Caterham Winner / LCC Rocket Winner / None Winner

And obviously both:

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Seasonal Driving Sensation/Notes:

The car did his job! A pleasure to drive, no oversteer in low gears acceleration and no understeer present in fast cornering (despite using Sports Hard). The car is extreme competitive and agile, keeping his pace while passing all opponents and on to a easy and smooth win.

All the race were relative easy to win, but I have to warn that against the LCC the car need to be pushed to the limit, because has we all know, the LCC is everything but slow...

Career Races/Driving Sensation/Notes:

Tour of Europe - Since the 520PP version was being so competitive, I decided to do it using Sports Hard and on 520PP...


The result was indeed a surprise! No competition what so ever, easy win... All the good things from the seasonal worked perfectly on the career race.


SuperCar Festival - Once again, since the 520PP version was being so competitive, I decided to do it using Sports Hard and on 520PP...

Well, was not as easy as the previous (especially in La Sathre), but it got the win! Even against the Huyaira... And this was a race at 630PP...

One note needs to be said, on La Sathre, the bumps made the car a little less competitive, so for an easier win 550PP or the 600PP is indeed better...

On the remaing versions (550PP and 600PP, both in SS), needless to say it was much easier...


Overall conclusion - Another great tune from Mr.B, a true versatile and fun car to drive... 👍 The McLaren has a great mechanical grip, which provides a great base to tuners create awesome machines like this one. Since my driving style suits fast and stable cars, this one is perfect.

Hope that who tests this car can enjoy it has much as I did...

 

[Thorin Cain]

For sure sir, and with great pleasure 👍, but if you checked in your Inbox you would have seen that they were already there , yes I do have ways of knowing certain things when my mind is not foggy, View attachment 270589

but unfortunately there always seems to be a mist around me.

Many thanks my good man! 👍 Now it's off to do what I'm sure will be one of the strangest testing sessions I've done so far.....and yet somehow not

I'll try and get the review in by the end of the week. I want to get the rest of my outstanding camber test runs done and out of the way first.

 

[Otaliema]

Ok I'll join the fray on this one.
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McClaren MP4-12C '10 Endurance tune
650 pp built to take on 20 Miles of Willow Springs driven at 85-95% will win pretty easily just keep it on the track. The tune is aggressive enough to let you hang it all out in regular races and just fly. It is tuned on SS so upping to RH or RM will just make it that much more grippie

 

[TurnLeft]

@praiano63
MP4-12 '10 600PP/SS & RM Review

Well good day praiano63, wondering why the sign 💡, No the car is not bad, it’s damn fast 👍, but using a ps3 controller might be too difficult to drive this for beginners and intermediate.

I don’t know if you were aware but were holding an in house race championship (me the driver ), I had two categories 550PP/SS and 600PP/RM, I figured that since there were different types of tires used by the tuners in the 600PP that I would equal it out by using RM for all, the worst scenario was they would grip to much, alas for some reason yours suddenly did not respond as I thought it would. It may be because of the weight distribution, the front end becomes over responsive with RM, I did a similar weight distribution on my first clone, and this does give you great acceleration and top speed, but the error window when turning is quite smaller (no mistakes permissible with RM), so short story long, I decided to redo all the cars tuned at 600PP with their original tires, but I did keep the lap times for RM also, so both will be posted at some time this month.

On SS, it’s real fast, sensitive to steering input and gas throttle, but manageable, just beware of the rumble strips they do tend to sometimes push you in a direction you hadn't thought of, With RM, maybe with a wheel, pedals and using a manual transmission it is a charm, I wouldn’t know, but other wise it will drive you up the wall (or more like you’ll drive it up a wall ), So fast yes, and I did you justice in my lap times with SS,(as long as you don’t post yours of course), but it’s one or two notch over my driving skills. I've tried a few of your cars and this one makes your Stratos look like a kitten, but when I'll be able to tame it, you might have some competition in the leader boards .

I will keep it to perfect my driving and for finding where to set my steering sensitivity level (using 0 right now), I think that finding the right setting would help me in my driving a bit.

So I have a challenge planned for you, but it will take a lot of patience from me to do it, so I will post it in a day or two after getting my nerves and patience back , sorry about the delay.

When this is all over, if you have the time I would ask you to try this car with RM on tracks 3,4, &5 (to be named at the end with the results) I would appreciate your view on how it handles on those tracks, maybe I’m just crazy but not that bad of a driver after all.

 

[TurnLeft]

Ok I'll join the fray on this one.
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McClaren MP4-12C '10 Endurance tune
650 pp built to take on 20 Miles of Willow Springs driven at 85-95% will win pretty easily just keep it on the track. The tune is aggressive enough to let you hang it all out in regular races and just fly. It is tuned on SS so upping to RH or RM will just make it that much more grippie

What did I ever do to you sir? Why do you do this to me? Really, 650PP, no front aero available, and you want me, a guy who tunes 2CV’s 👍, midgets 👍 and the likes to ride this, and you don’t even include a parachute 👎, really, and have you thought about insurance premiums going up ? I’m so surprised I ...... , and SS????, really. And, and, you don’t know where (and nobody does either) I’ll be driving these, .... this unwinged jet with mere brakes to slow it down? and have you thought it out ? Or is this a devious plan ? Oh maybe this was your toddlers idea and you found it funny ?


I work in the world of audio, and there are physic laws sir, that apply .... like there is a maximum amount of power you can put out in a room before the sound becomes confused & distorted, likewise there is a maximum amount of power you can put on a car before it confuses the track for a space launch.


Welcome aboard sir , I hope your enjoying ‘daddyhood’, savor it because it goes by faster than your MP4.
(no beer for you, hot chocolate it is.)

 

[Otaliema]

(no beer for you, hot chocolate it is.)

Nogged egg for me with brandy thank you
Hey it only does 350 km/h in 900 meters and stops in 400 meters , it turns on a dime and spins just as well I jest if you treat with kid gloves she will get you around any track fast with no headache and I use a DS3 so you can't use that excuse on this one.
I know what mean by it going by fast they are 4 and 2 and I swear it was last year that we brought home our oldest and looked at each other and said what do we do with it? as we laid him to sleep in a hamper cause we didn't have a bassinet

 

[TurnLeft]

@praiano63

Well I think must people who know you would hesitate to challenge you in any type of race from GT6 , but I figure I have a 50% chance of winning and a 100% chance if you don't show up , so here it is:

Rules:

1. I choose the track, conditions, and time trial regulations.
2. Tuner and reviewer use the reviewed car for the time trial.
3. Times are posted by each of the drivers, there is a gentleman’s agreement that each person will put down the true time.
4. You must have fun doing this, this is not an option

1. Track: Twin Ring Montegi West Course
2. Car tuned as per spec sheet with Sports Sports Soft.
3. Course Settings: as is
4. You must do the complete lap in reverse, simple.
5. No driving aids except abs1
6. 5 laps, best time wins. Laps invalid don’t count. Good Luck.

Advice: Use the hand brake to turn, it’s faster 👍👍👍.


TurnLeft's Time To Beat is 1:17.767

 

[praiano63]

You win.... i have a 1:17.854 , the problem with this track, at least for me is that the fast lap depend on how you take the blind chicane. If you nail it, i think i can go low around 1:17.4xx .
Also my car is just an all around tune, the gear are horrible on Motegi. I didn´t test your tune but i will soon when time.
Congrats for the fast time.

@praiano63
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Well I think must people who know you would hesitate to challenge you in any type of race from GT6 , but I figure I have a 50% chance of winning and a 100% chance if you don't show up , so here it is:

Rules:

1. I choose the track, conditions, and time trial regulations.
2. Tuner and reviewer use the reviewed car for the time trial.
3. Times are posted by each of the drivers, there is a gentleman’s agreement that each person will put down the true time.
4. You must have fun doing this, this is not an option

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1. Track: Twin Ring Montegi West Course
2. Car tuned as per spec sheet with Sports Sports Soft.
3. Course Settings: as is
4. You must do the complete lap in reverse, simple.
5. No driving aids except abs1
6. 5 laps, best time wins. Laps invalid don’t count. Good Luck.

Advice: Use the hand brake to turn, it’s faster 👍👍👍.


TurnLeft's Time To Beat is 1:17.767

 

[TurnLeft]

You win.... i have a 1:17.854 , the problem with this track, at least for me is that the fast lap depend on how you take the blind chicane. If you nail it, i think i can go low around 1:17.4xx .
Also my car is just an all around tune, the gear are horrible on Motegi. I didn´t test your tune but i will soon when time.
Congrats for the fast time.

I'm Speechless, thank you for participating, I have a tremendous respect for you and I am very honored and happy you took part in this little game. Most people in the rich hemisphere will never have an ounce of the ocean of class you have. Looking forward for that , um, review (no rush), if it may be of any consolation to your, uh, loss, here are two pictures of our beautiful weather today that we had, ...

... my consolation was that I drive a Subaru Outback and apart from not seeing where I was going I never got stuck, slipped or had the least trouble passing all those wannabe 4wd (from I won't mention any names) that were on the road.

Thanks and may you deliver enough pizzas to buy a real MP4 or whatever dream car your heart wants.

 

[praiano63]

I'm Speechless, thank you for participating, I have a tremendous respect for you and I am very honored and happy you took part in this little game. Most people in the rich hemisphere will never have an ounce of the ocean of class you have. Looking forward for that , um, review (no rush), if it may be of any consolation to your, uh, loss, here are two pictures of our beautiful weather today that we had, ...
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... my consolation was that I drive a Subaru Outback and apart from not seeing where I was going I never got stuck, slipped or had the least trouble passing all those wannabe 4wd (from I won't mention any names) that were on the road.

Thanks and may you deliver enough pizzas to buy a real MP4 or whatever dream car your heart wants.

Bad bad weather, this remember me when i had a girlfriend in Montreal , early 80´s, i had taken a plain with -40C° from Quebec and landed in Rio with +40C°. I prefer the + temperatures for sure. I never need even a shirt all year long here.
Pizza is going well, little business little money. I don´t dream about reals cars, i don´t need here and i don´t pretend buying one. I dream about a small sailboat to fish and cruise close to my villlage.
Back to the fakes cars, i´ve driven the Red Bull X2014 Junior today, wonderfull machine, very sharp to fine tune. I´ll do one for Brands Hatch soon.

 

[TurnLeft]

@xande1959
McLaren MP4-12C'10 Review

Hi xande1959, good to see your work again 👍, well your really getting good at this my friend, good grip and handling, and yes surprisingly quite easy to handle for me 👍. I have often struggled with some of your tunings, my way of driving 👎 and your way of tuning 👍 have not always been a match made in heaven, but this time was the charm . Since it’s almost christmas I’m going to leave it this way, this is probably the shortest review I ever made of one of your cars. The only negative thing was that with your transmission settings I couldn’t get a high enough speed on one of the tracks, but no one new which tracks I would test it on so it should even out in the end. Very good tuning 👍, point.
my friend, Tenham um lindo dia ( have a beautiful day)

 

[sinof1337]

Ok, a little late to the party this time around. None the less, I had time to review the car this month.

Test/Review Track: Circuito de la Sierra, 2 laps, real grip reduction, only ABS1.

After two laps, my fastest time with the MP4 was 8:59:329, making it just a hair faster than the GT-R NISMO '14(9:01:881), and the fastest road car that I have tested so far(also #10 overall, full list is here). While it is rated slightly higher than the GT-R, it also runs on Sports Hards while the GT-R runs on Softs, so its small advantage is nullified by less grip.

Now, lets talk about that grip a little bit more. This car understeers pretty badly. Turns that most other cars can make without leaving the throttle, this car needs a tap of the brakes to clear. Its enough that I don't think bumping it up to Softs would completely fix it. It also suffers from a bit of power oversteer, but not only would softer tires solve this, it is still quite manageable as it is.

That said, while it doesn't like to turn, it is still very fast. As I said, its the fastest road car I have tested so far, and that doesn't happen if the car isn't doing something right. The transmission isn't perfect(I never got it to 7th gear), but it also doesn't bog down at all. While it was hard to tell what state the differential was in(since if I pushed the car at all the rear started to slip), the stability even during power slides leaves me to believe it can't be too bad.

All in all, I think the MP4 is a solid car, it just needs some better tires and a little love in the suspension department. Hopefully, I will have a tune either this weekend or next, it depends on how much time I have and if I decide to tune the Subaru VGT first.