Deciding factor on damage - Nissan GT-R?

[Dijital Majik]

The bit about "GTR team is independent from the rest of Nissan on many levels, one of them being licensing" seems plausible seeing as Prince Motor Company retained development of all Skylines even under the Nissan brand. It could be that they are responsible for the GTR too.

We also know Nissan doesn't like any modifications to the GTR (even though it's being done more and more), they won't even let Nismo sell an aftermarket ECU, only rent it out:

http://www.bespokeventures.com/blog/2009/05/15/nismo-renting-tuning-parts/

Perhaps in light of the warranty debacle they've become more protective of the brand, hence it was acceptable at the time of Pro Street and not anymore?

Don't know how much I actually believe that, I personally still think it's because of the car's ties to PD/GT, but it could explain things.

 

[The359]

I'm a member of this forum that you're a member of. I work for PD. That must mean I'm telling the truth.

But you're not. He is. I trust it, I personally have no reason to trust some random person spouting random things, but I know he works for the company and I know he'd have some idea what goes on at that developer. Now he may not have been directly involved with the Nissan people and he may only be hearing things from others in the company, but I see no reason to dismiss it simply because "it's a guy on a forum".

 

[McLaren]

But you're not. He is. I trust it, I personally have no reason to trust some random person spouting random things,

That's an absurd way of thinking.

but I know he works for the company and I know he'd have some idea what goes on at that developer. Now he may not have been directly involved with the Nissan people and he may only be hearing things from others in the company, but I see no reason to dismiss it simply because "it's a guy on a forum".

Oh really? So he has shown you actual evidence he works for Turn10? Because according my source at FC, even he doesn't fully believe your buddy.

I've known Jay V on here for a couple years now. I guess that means I can fully tell everyone's he's legit if he told me about what's going on behind PD's doors?

 

[The359]

He's been right so far from the days of Forza 2, no reason to think he isn't right now.

LOL, retorting with "my sources" while arguing that I shouldn't believe someone because he's just a guy on an internet forum is brilliant, really. I mean everyone here runs around like a chicken with their head cut off everytime Amar posts something cryptic, but I post something from a guy who I know works for the development company and I get a bunch of children running their mouths.

I certainly wouldn't take some random internet posting when it comes to the GT5 Car List, so I think it should carry some weight when I say that this is in fact a trustworthy posting.

 

[RacingFreak2k3]

That's an absurd way of thinking.


Oh really? So he has shown you actual evidence he works for Turn10? Because according my source at FC, even he doesn't fully believe your buddy.

I've known Jay V on here for a couple years now. I guess that means I can fully tell everyone's he's legit if he told me about what's going on behind PD's doors?

So how is Amar at this forum any different than the guy at the other forum that The359 is referring to?

Amar IS our inside source here, and everyone knows it. He's proven it time and time again that he's a reliable source...

So in the eyes of The359, the Forza guy could be just as reliable for the Forza series as Amar is for our GT series.

 

[McLaren]

He's been right so far from the days of Forza 2, no reason to think he isn't right now.

Amar has been right on mostly everything as well. Doesn't mean he works for PD.

Has this guy actually ever showed proof?

LOL, retorting with "my sources" while arguing that I shouldn't believe someone because he's just a guy on an internet forum is brilliant, really.

Your guy gives everyone reason to doubt him (See the GT-R BS). My source doesn't as all his work actually has *gasp* evidence to back him up.

Your guy just typed a bunch of crap, and called himself a developer as far as I can see. Tell him to release a new screenshot (he's a developer for Turn10, he must have access), then I'll believe him.

So how is Amar at this forum any different than the guy at the other forum that The359 is referring to?

Amar IS our inside source here, and everyone knows it. He's proven it time and time again that he's a reliable source...

So in the eyes of The359, the Forza guy could be just as reliable for the Forza series as Amar is for our GT series.

Amar doesn't claim to be a developer, and he's physically proven he's an insider. I asked The359 if the guy has ever proven himself and he just ignored it, so I now have reason to doubt.

 

[The359]

Amar has been right on mostly everything as well. Doesn't mean he works for PD.

LOL, but you still believe him.

Your guy gives everyone reason to doubt him (See the GT-R BS). My source doesn't as all his work actually has *gasp* evidence to back him up.

I see no reason to doubt him, we know Nissan's already a bit odd when it comes to the GT-R in real life, and we know the GT-R isn't in FM3, so how is this explanation BS?

What source? What evidence? All you've said is "I don't believe it!". That's not evidence...

Your guy just typed a bunch of crap, and called himself a developer as far as I can see. Tell him to release a new screenshot (he's a developer for Turn10, he must have access), then I'll believe him.

LOL, because you've known him for years clearly.

Amar doesn't claim to be a developer, and he's physically proven he's an insider. I asked The359 if the guy has ever proven himself and he just ignored it, so I now have reason to doubt.

I don't see anything in the post I link where my guy claims to be a developer either. I only said he worked for Turn10. And I've already told you he's proven himself, because he's been correct about FM2 information, just as Amar has been correct about GT information in the past.

Read, dude.

 

[McLaren]

I see no reason to doubt him, we know Nissan's already a bit odd when it comes to the GT-R in real life, and we know the GT-R isn't in FM3, so how is this explanation BS?

No, we don't. That's just what your source claims....

 

[The359]

No, we don't. That's just what your source claims....

LOL.

 

[McLaren]

LOL.

Just because you're guy was correct on FM2 does not make him a credible source just like your GT5 list isn't a credible source for GT5 (according to some people on this forum). I'll bet all his FM2 information came directly from someone like Amar or BADNED on another forum.

Or again, has he actually proven he works for Turn10? And why is his reasoning for the GT-R seem false when EA has obviously been allowed otherwise?

None of the dev's on FM's forum has even hinted at this (or in reality, hinted otherwise).

 

[The359]

Just because you're guy was correct on FM2 does not make him a credible source just like your GT5 list isn't a credible source for GT5 (according to some people on this forum). I'll bet all his FM2 information came directly from someone like Amar or BADNED on another forum.

Oh even better, attack my credibility now. Now you're really barking up the wrong tree. And if you read for more than 2 seconds, people have a problem with what I include on the GT5 list, not it's credibility.

I really love the "just because he was right before doesn't mean he's right now" idea. Clearly this doesn't apply to Amar or anyone else, but somehow this guy's good record has no weight. Oh, but he stole the information from someone else to get that good record? Brilliant deduction!

Would you like a shovel to help dig yourself into a larger hole?

Or again, has he actually proven he works for Turn10? And why is his reasoning for the GT-R seem false when EA has obviously been allowed otherwise?

He's proven enough for me to trust him. If that's not enough to satisfy you, oh well, guess you're SOL. You've done nothing to prove his claims about the GT-R are false. We don't know how EA got the deal, so you can't say with any proof that Turn10's dealings with Nissan didn't go like this.

None of the dev's on FM's forum has even hinted at this (or in reality, hinted otherwise).

So in other words this statement does not prove or disprove any of this. That really helps your case!

 

[McLaren]

Oh even better, attack my credibility now. Now you're really barking up the wrong tree. And if you read for more than 2 seconds, people have a problem with what I include on the GT5 list, not it's credibility.

Nope, I'm not. But there are people on this forum that apparently do not see the cars in GT5 (which is where many of your cars come from) as credible sources for what will be in GT5.

He's proven enough for me to trust him. If that's not enough to satisfy you, oh well, guess you're SOL. You've done nothing to prove his claims about the GT-R are false. We don't know how EA got the deal, so you can't say with any proof that Turn10's dealings with Nissan didn't go like this.

The only plausible conclusion I can see is that EA offered more money & Turn10 didn't, but I don't believe that.

Every single item/feature he says Nissan did not want in FM3 has suddenly appeared in Shift. That makes no sense. If Nissan's GT-R team is that anal, why would they let Shift (& probably GT5) have those features & not Turn10?

 

[newbielives]

It could also be possible that PD is playing some politics in the background to stop their main competitor in the simulation market from having the car they helped designed the interface for.
EVIL EVIL PD MAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Every single item/feature he says Nissan did not want in FM3 has suddenly appeared in Shift. That makes no sense. If Nissan's GT-R team is that anal, why would they let Shift (& probably GT5) have those features & not Turn10?

 

[MaccGyver]

I was about to post that myself.

Also maybe they were the reasons that Nissan gave Turn10 for not letting them have the car.
They were probably taking the piss because turn10 were never gonna get the car in the first place,Turn10 being PD's biggest rival and being on the Xbox wich is Sony's biggest rival.

 

[The359]

NFS is an arcade racer, Forza is more sim. Nissan probably doesn't care what happens in an arcade game where that sort of stuff is common and the cars are not realistic.

The only plausible conclusion I can see is that EA offered more money & Turn10 didn't, but I don't believe that.

Gran Turismo doesn't have Porsche and Lamborghini for these reasons. Why is it not plausible Turn10 may not pay out for one car?

Nope, I'm not. But there are people on this forum that apparently do not see the cars in GT5 (which is where many of your cars come from) as credible sources for what will be in GT5.

LOL, what sort of moron thinks that cars in GT5 aren't going to be in GT5? Seriously. It even says right at the top that it's not a list of confirmed cars in the game, it's a list of cars which may or may not be in the game.

R-E-A-D.

 

[Kryz11]

This was posted on another forum by a member who is part of the team working on Forza 3, discussing why the Nissan GT-R is not included in their game. Emphasis mine.

No R35 GTR, because they are a bunch of [Censored]. Apparently the GTR team is independent from the rest of Nissan on many levels, one of them being licensing. The only way they would allow us to use the R35 was if it had no damage, no rollover, no custom wheels, no custom parts that improved performance, no painting, and no livery. So we said no thanks.


So the old belief that some manufacturers would not allow damage therefore nothing had damage might still ring true. Now of course PD have a special relationship with Nissan and specifically GT-R, so they might get a special deal, but it seems unlikely that Gran Turismo will include damage, but only on certain cars...

Something to ponder.

If the FM3 guys did say that... It's very unprofessional. Heck some car companies don't want to have damage if the statement is true, and calling them 🤬 is very unprofessional if if GTR team have hear it, so would Nissan and other car companies withdrawing their cars from their games.

 

[The359]

I don't know why everyone's hung up on him calling Nissan out over something. It's not a damn press release.

 

[ZANELE]

What goes around comes around remember what PD had to go trough to get permission from some car companies in the past. They went through hell with some of them until they came around.

 

[Jegato]

The359/Reventon - easy there! No reason to get into a pissing match.
Those of us at the other forum have more familiarity with Tofu and hence are more trusting of his information. Just as much as many members here are trusting of Amar's.
Regardless, it's all speculation until the two games actually come out later this year, at which point both Amar's and Tofu's reps will be judged. Until then, be thankful that there is some additional insight into either game prior to release.

Back on topic, now if the Nissan/GT-R team has restrictions placed on their licensing it is understandable why Forza wouldn't include it in the game. You don't let one car dictate the mechanics of the overall game, especially when it's (simulated damage) always been one of the major selling points. PD may be under the same restrictions but have managed a way around it because they've never yet included simulated damage, hence the rumor that there will only be damage for race-spec vehicles.



edit: Damn! 7 years and still a "New Member"

 

[X-Power]

Isn't it obvious? Nissan don't want their GT-R to be in anything forza related. Everyone knows that Nissan have a very close relationship with PD. PD even designed the GT-R's display/interface so obviously Nissan aren't going to let GT's "rival" (if you can call forza a rival) use the GT-R.

 

[XTR-KingTuna]

This was posted on another forum by a member who is part of the team working on Forza 3, discussing why the Nissan GT-R is not included in their game. Emphasis mine.

Quote:
No R35 GTR, because they are a bunch of [Censored]. Apparently the GTR team is independent from the rest of Nissan on many levels, one of them being licensing. The only way they would allow us to use the R35 was if it had no damage, no rollover, no custom wheels, no custom parts that improved performance, no painting, and no livery. So we said no thanks.

this guy is a liar (not op, but the supposed F3 team member..if he's that). the '08 Nissan GT-R is in nfs Undercover, and you can change aero kits, wheels, spoiler, hood, the whole works. you can paint it, you can sticker it, you can even put them dumb vinyls on it. you can most definately put mod parts on to soup it up. it rolls over, and it most certainly does take damage.

 

[steve30x]

I realy dont understand the big Hoo Haa about damage. I couldnt care less if there was no damage.

 

[The359]

this guy is a liar (not op, but the supposed F3 team member..if he's that). the '08 Nissan GT-R is in nfs Undercover, and you can change aero kits, wheels, spoiler, hood, the whole works. you can paint it, you can sticker it, you can even put them dumb vinyls on it. you can most definately put mod parts on to soup it up. it rolls over, and it most certainly does take damage.

Calling someone a liar usually requires proof in my book, and the GT-R in NFS has already been discussed.

 

[Fishfingers1966]

Nissan is in the game, and is playing the game...

I would think the key word is game. x

 

[Dave A]

That's an absurd way of thinking.

No more or less absured than anyone here trying to tell a newer member that Amar is the real deal when it comes to insider information on games. There is no reason to doubt what The359 is saying, at the same time there isn't much reason to believe, but there's even less reason to kick up a fuss about it since you both know it's not going anywhere.

 

[McLaren]

NFS is an arcade racer, Forza is more sim. Nissan probably doesn't care what happens in an arcade game where that sort of stuff is common and the cars are not realistic.

Shift isn't arcade. You obviously haven't spent any time looking at it, or you'd see it's becoming very promising.
BTW, your source just got put in the dog house by Turn10 themselves.

Hey all,

Just wanted to chime in here quickly. It's safe to say that Forzamotorsport.net is the one and only place to go for official details about Forza Motorsport 3.

In the coming months we will be revealing more details about the game, including cars tracks and features. I say all this because I'd hate for you all to get riled up over random forum posts.

When you see it here on Forzamotorsport.net...that's when you know it's official! Until then don't believe everything you read

Thanks!

 

[The359]

For an arcade game.

 

[Viscerous]

I thought Shift looked awful from what they showed at E3.

 

[Tenacious D]

I'm particularly pumped to see the GT-R in the GT5 video sporting racing livery. Let's hope we get a livery editor and race mod, or at least can paint race cars.

 

[lildomplaya]

I don't want to get too off-topic but NFS happened to get the Veyron for the first time, & includes damage. Such as the 370z in Undercover.