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EvergreeDrift lobby is up right now and livestreaming http://www.justin.tv/uko_driftninja
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Oh btw we on CH lol
EvergreeDrift lobby is up right now and livestreaming http://www.justin.tv/uko_driftninja
Wrong topic?
Here's my argument Against Comfort hard tires. The Truth is using Comfort Hard tires is the Beginners way to learn Drift. With CH tires it's easy to Break traction making it easier to focus on Counter steering and Acceleration. They are usually better when running stock tuning on your car, but CH tires do not offer the control needed for highsppeed drifting nor aggressive angles. I learned drift on GT5 with a stock PT-86 on Comfort hard tires, but I outgrew them and any car I tune ends up on Sport Soft. Now I do understand why people use CH tires because seasonal drift event require CS or lower tires, but when I drift online, it's Sport soft. Also look at Real D1 drifters and they don't use comfort tires, they use sport tires like Falken Azenis or Ziex.
daltonlmNot exactly. I mentioned the EvergreeDrift at the OP and UKO was the "friend of mine". And besides, i did knew UKO and his lobby by this streaming, even before have a PS3+GT5.
Thank you UKO, for provide a fair lobby with really good drifters with CH as standard and for livestream it all.
And:
Sorry by my ignorance, but what is a PT-86?
SKOT_FREEHere's my argument Against Comfort hard tires. The Truth is using Comfort Hard tires is the Beginners way to learn Drift. With CH tires it's easy to Break traction making it easier to focus on Counter steering and Acceleration. They are usually better when running stock tuning on your car, but CH tires do not offer the control needed for highsppeed drifting nor aggressive angles. I learned drift on GT5 with a stock PT-86 on Comfort hard tires, but I outgrew them and any car I tune ends up on Sport Soft. Now I do understand why people use CH tires because seasonal drift event require CS or lower tires, but when I drift online, it's Sport soft. Also look at Real D1 drifters and they don't use comfort tires, they use sport tires like Falken Azenis or Ziex.
P.S. The real reason you guys mess up tandems is because you use CH tires you take horrible lines! Tsukuba for example usually i see guys trying to take the inside line but enter the Turn Slow, then they power over through the turn....ThAts way too slow! In a battle I would always out pace you with lesser HP, and if I chase I will always close the gap, meaning u will lose! If anyone wants to test my theory we can go one on One to prove my point.
As for tandem drift the real problem to overcome is familiarity with your partner! I don't tandem with people I don't know, unless we do laps and have similar skills and we both understand the RACING LINE. You cannot both enter turns on the same line or lines that'll cause you to cross at The exit and maybe crash. Another example, you don't want a slow drifter to lead a tandem line nor do you want to drift with someone of weaker skill because it's not going to work. You must be in perfect sync.
SixCylSamuraiSo you use a tire compound that your not even able to compete with, and claim it's better cause CH drifters are too slow? Last time I checked it's the chaser that has to follow and HOLD the leaders line. See what has happened is you didn't get too good for CH, your ego just overinflated and your intellectual capacity diminished.
Sorry I may not of been clear enough, first I would never say that people who run CH tires lack skill. I was actually talking about Battle Drift AND Tandem and didnt define which i was talking about so, If I came across like I was dissing CH users,sorry. I'm saying The Reason People who use CH tires are slow is because of the tire choice not lack of Skill. All I know is I get complaints that I'm too fast etc, but that's what D1 drifting is...I'll say one last time I defy you to show me one pro drifter who uses comfort tires in competition. Practice maybe, but serious comp no way.
It's the Revised Toyota Trueno (AE86)coming out. PT= ProtoType 86. Get it?
Stupid just stupidSorry I may not of been clear enough, first I would never say that people who run CH tires lack skill. I was actually talking about Battle Drift AND Tandem and didnt define which i was talking about so, If I came across like I was dissing CH users,sorry. I'm saying The Reason People who use CH tires are slow is because of the tire choice not lack of Skill. All I know is I get complaints that I'm too fast etc, but that's what D1 drifting is...I'll say one last time I defy you to show me one pro drifter who uses comfort tires in competition. Practice maybe, but serious comp no way.
DrifTa-AJVStupid just stupid
You just quoted d1 and guess what D1GP Street legal uses the equivalent to comfort tyres
Know what your talking bout before you say anything.
And 1 more point I might add is that if you do a bit of research on gtp u might find that cm and cs are the closest tyre to a real life sports tyre than the actual sports tyres in game.
Sports tyres in gt5 are a semi slick tyre the only drift comp I know of that allows these tyres is formula-d
Oh so we are going to be Childish about this? Who said anything about Street Legal D1? If you want to get technical, Street Legal D1 also says your car needs to be basically stock and have the Cat Converter on. Now go look where I said previously that CH tires are okay for stock cars. What im talking about is after you tune your car to say anything over 300HP. As for the tires in D1/FD competition both of which I have personally went to and walked the Pits, most of The Drivers drifted on Falken Azenis with the Treads shaved off to Achieve MORE GRIP! Again i am not attacking CH users, I'm trying to let you know you are basically handicapping yourselves, I'm guaranteeing u that if you drift hella good on CH, you will be amazing on Sport softs. All I'm trying to say. Again if anyone wants to test the theory we can Hit up Tsukuba and drift together, not even on a competitive level, but to just examine the difference, I'm down anytime. In fact I'll be on tonight.
Pretty sure it's an FT-86 buddy and your theory is completely wrong...
On sidenote:
I guess this discussion is drained already, and we realized that as into any AWD discussion, always will be people caring about more of himself than the room harmony. Even if some points i mentioned in the OP hadn´t be debated, at least im glad to know that most people here (witch sims to be experienced drifters, at least) are on the CH side. Would be great to see this majority also inside the game, but probably most of donkies in there cant hold a corner in sideways with CH without eat some grass, nor visit this GTP drift forum to gain some knowledge.
Here's my argument Against Comfort hard tires. The Truth is using Comfort Hard tires is the Beginners way to learn Drift. With CH tires it's easy to Break traction making it easier to focus on Counter steering and Acceleration. They are usually better when running stock tuning on your car, but CH tires do not offer the control needed for highsppeed drifting nor aggressive angles. I learned drift on GT5 with a stock PT-86 on Comfort hard tires, but I outgrew them and any car I tune ends up on Sport Soft. Now I do understand why people use CH tires because seasonal drift event require CS or lower tires, but when I drift online, it's Sport soft. Also look at Real D1 drifters and they don't use comfort tires, they use sport tires like Falken Azenis or Ziex.
P.S. The real reason you guys mess up tandems is because you use CH tires you take horrible lines! Tsukuba for example usually i see guys trying to take the inside line but enter the Turn Slow, then they power over through the turn....ThAts way too slow! In a battle I would always out pace you with lesser HP, and if I chase I will always close the gap, meaning u will lose! If anyone wants to test my theory we can go one on One to prove my point.
As for tandem drift the real problem to overcome is familiarity with your partner! I don't tandem with people I don't know, unless we do laps and have similar skills and we both understand the RACING LINE. You cannot both enter turns on the same line or lines that'll cause you to cross at The exit and maybe crash. Another example, you don't want a slow drifter to lead a tandem line nor do you want to drift with someone of weaker skill because it's not going to work. You must be in perfect sync.
Oh so we are going to be Childish about this? Who said anything about Street Legal D1? If you want to get technical, Street Legal D1 also says your car needs to be basically stock and have the Cat Converter on. Now go look where I said previously that CH tires are okay for stock cars. What im talking about is after you tune your car to say anything over 300HP. As for the tires in D1/FD competition both of which I have personally went to and walked the Pits, most of The Drivers drifted on Falken Azenis with the Treads shaved off to Achieve MORE GRIP! Again i am not attacking CH users, I'm trying to let you know you are basically handicapping yourselves, I'm guaranteeing u that if you drift hella good on CH, you will be amazing on Sport softs. All I'm trying to say. Again if anyone wants to test the theory we can Hit up Tsukuba and drift together, not even on a competitive level, but to just examine the difference, I'm down anytime. In fact I'll be on tonight.
Someones taking a game pretty seriously.2 - If you are into a Drift room, then drift!
If you are into a track with 8 driftable corners or links, will u feel happy if you drift only 5 or 6 of them? And even worst, a full chase tandem depends of discipline about lines, if you disrespect the rigth lines and links, you will injury yourself and ur mates. So even confort soft can make you ignore the best line and mess up a tandem. Besides, if you win a drift race, the first thing that people will do is check your tires, and easily you will be marked as a cheap win abuser.
3 - Train on hard, then the easy will become easier.
Some people complain that Confort Hard is too slippery, or simply dont fit with his "fast drift style". IMHO the lowest tire is the most credible and replicates better the real driving situations. If a drifter domain the lines and entry speed using these tires, he will not be afraid of push the car to the limit because he knows already the risk liminal. So if you cant stand with so much slides, try finetune your car (specialy camber) instead simply get a more grippy tire.
Thats it, sorry for my bad english... i hope you understand and share your oppinion.
jimy281090Some of the comments coming from people are just unbelievable lmao
SKOT_FREE this one is for you
Point 1. Some people mess up there tandem drifting because they have not had enough practice and haven't properly revised there setup so they do not know the correct line and speed needed going into a corner! Also they do not have good enough car control while in the corner side by side with another car so they are more than likely going to crash! It has NOTHING to do with the Tyres that you are going to crash LMAO!!! Myself and GTWelsh can Tandem the most epically way on some ocassions without 1 touch of bodywork in 20 laps! Proven on more than 1 ocassion
Point 2. Me on the other hand, I can use a 650 BHP Corvette Z06 (Primary Drift Car) and have it literally licking the door of an S13 Silvia Dia's Selection all the way round Tsukuba Circuit! I have more than just the couple of people who will still up for me!
Point 3. You do not need a fast lead drifter if you are good enough to control you're car and slow it down. Also the driver you are Tandem Drifting with does not need to be the best out there! I have Tandem Drifted with multiple people who cannot keep the car together in the corners but once you have a groove going it goes well!
Point 4. The whole point of each Tyre is exactly what you are saying, GRIP LEVELS! Therefor the higher spec of Tyre you are usig such as Sports Hard you are going to go faster! It has absolutely nothing to do with skill taking into effect the challenge of breaking traction. I can break traction on Sports Soft in a Stock RX7. Why you would even bother using ANY Sports Tyre in the first place is a total mystery as it really is TOO fast for me!
"Entry Entry oops EXIT already!!!"
Comfort Softs in my opinion are far too fast!.. So to put an end to this Tyre choice is to do more with Speed Levels of you're drift NOT Skill level And I WILL stick by that..
Exhibit A I got this from just one site named Driftjapan.com but just about every discussion on Drift tires is the same.....Drift Tires Explained: Size? High Grip? Air Pressure?
>> High Grip vs. Low Grip
Again it depends on the car. If it's a high powered turbo car and you are an advanced driver not scared of high speed drifting, then high grip tires are good.
Popular high grip tires here in Japan are Yokohama Neova. For beginners, usual normal cheap tires are good for praticing in as they are easier to spin and if you're not going too fast, can stop you if you need. Just make sure they have grip "
That's all I'm saying man. I dive into corners and Drift fast through them. There's no way I should be catching a guy in A Skyline in my 342 HP S14 in a corner. Here's how it usually Goes: Mr Skyline or Supra or whomever beats the crap out of me in the straightaways, only to have them slow down for the turn because of the Low Grip of their tires, and I just slam my Ebrake and away I go.
Here's the Kicker, if I drive my 86 it's on Comfort Soft, because as dude stated in the quote I posted, it's a lower HP car.
Oh and Jimmy, everyone isn't the same, I have a friend who can Hang with me on Comfort tires, but the Majority I usually out drift.
zedfonsieIm sorry but thats not the point. Out drifting is not a way you should look at it. The point of drifting is tandeming, Overtaking in a corner just ruins the purpose.
Even if you have a low hp car you can still keep up with comfort hards.
I use a 370z with about 530 hp. Yet I can keep up with those pesky rx7s which are just little rockets when drifting.
Because this is GT5 and not real life, We don't "actually get a choice of tires that we would see professionals use" Drifters use almost racing slick tires. But they are a special compound that actually makes them drift better. The ones in the game are for racing not drifting.
jimy281090Some of the comments coming from people are just unbelievable lmao
SKOT_FREE this one is for you
Point 1. Some people mess up there tandem drifting because they have not had enough practice and haven't properly revised there setup so they do not know the correct line and speed needed going into a corner! Also they do not have good enough car control while in the corner side by side with another car so they are more than likely going to crash! It has NOTHING to do with the Tyres that you are going to crash LMAO!!! Myself and GTWelsh can Tandem the most epically way on some ocassions without 1 touch of bodywork in 20 laps! Proven on more than 1 ocassion
Point 2. Me on the other hand, I can use a 650 BHP Corvette Z06 (Primary Drift Car) and have it literally licking the door of an S13 Silvia Dia's Selection all the way round Tsukuba Circuit! I have more than just the couple of people who will still up for me!
Point 3. You do not need a fast lead drifter if you are good enough to control you're car and slow it down. Also the driver you are Tandem Drifting with does not need to be the best out there! I have Tandem Drifted with multiple people who cannot keep the car together in the corners but once you have a groove going it goes well!
Point 4. The whole point of each Tyre is exactly what you are saying, GRIP LEVELS! Therefor the higher spec of Tyre you are usig such as Sports Hard you are going to go faster! It has absolutely nothing to do with skill taking into effect the challenge of breaking traction. I can break traction on Sports Soft in a Stock RX7. Why you would even bother using ANY Sports Tyre in the first place is a total mystery as it really is TOO fast for me!
"Entry Entry oops EXIT already!!!"
Comfort Softs in my opinion are far too fast!.. So to put an end to this Tyre choice is to do more with Speed Levels of you're drift NOT Skill level And I WILL stick by that..