Diversifying the Car Base

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I even had a hard time finding the premium RX7

I don't mind having lots of duplicates AS LONG AS they simplified the car selection menu..

I have a great idea for this actually, instead of showing us all of those RX7s, Skylines, Miatas, etc cluttering those dealership, why not just show us only ONE Skyline (for example), then you click on it, inside you can choose the variety ranging from years, type, etc you want.

Hope they would consider my idea

Thank you this is what I too have been saying and wanting all along. Just like when I go to car manufacture's website and pick a car they have package options. I don't go to the Audi website and have to look through each A4 model they have it under one tab (or at least last time I was on one) and you pick from that base what options you'd like. Really any dealer works that way, so why can't PD do this with GT. People would stop complaining on both camps I think if it were to go this route.

 

[yabiggoose]

.....I have a great idea for this actually, instead of showing us all of those RX7s, Skylines, Miatas, etc cluttering those dealership, why not just show us only ONE Skyline (for example), then you click on it, inside you can choose the variety ranging from years, type, etc you want. (similar to color selection menu)

Hope they would consider my idea

That really is a genius idea!

 

[TopGearFTW]

I even had a hard time finding the premium RX7

I don't mind having lots of duplicates AS LONG AS they simplified the car selection menu..

I have a great idea for this actually, instead of showing us all of those RX7s, Skylines, Miatas, etc cluttering those dealership, why not just show us only ONE Skyline (for example), then you click on it, inside you can choose the variety ranging from years, type, etc you want. (similar to color selection menu)

Hope they would consider my idea

I've been thinking this would be a great idea for a long time now. That way you could add tons of different engine specs for each car without having to clutter up the dealerships unnecessarily. Like if you wanted an NSX, or an NSX Type R, or Type S, etc, they'd all be grouped under one listing.

 

[yabiggoose]

Sort of like in Test Drive Unlimited 2, you could choose (factory) wheel options, trim options etc.

 

[eran0004]

Sure it is, because they transferred that bias over from the game you're talking about that was ten years ago.

Yeah, but the only way to fix it would be to delete cars.

 

[nursemorph]

I agree with the OP. While it is obvious that a Japanese game maker would have some bias towards Japanese car makers, there is a limit to it. 1200 cars was one of their biggest "boasts" when advertising the game and, yes there are 1200 in the game (well, I assume so, haven't bought them all obviously!) but it is misleading when you add up the huge number of different variations of the same car: I counted 35 MX-5s the other day (or thereabouts, can't remember the exact number) and probably about 20 RX-7s. That is 50+ cars from 2 models of the same manufacturer...then you get similar numbers with Nissan Skylines etc. I am all for having a huge number of cars but when maybe 5 cars are the same model from the same year but with a slightly different name (same horsepower, same weight etc), then it becomes a bit annoying...it probably wouldn't be so bad if it was "decent" cars that people wanted to use but these are mid-90s MX-5s!!

Countering this, there is a larger variation of European and American cars in GT6. People will argue there's not enough and they do have a point but I am certainly much happier with the selection of non-Japanese cars than I was with GT5. I also like that there is a greater selection of different manufacturers (even if some only have one car in!).

Ultimately, this will be an issue that divides people....some people will be happy to have 1200 cars regardless of the fact that a significant number are, essentially, identikit cars (with minor differences) whereas others will prefer to have less cars but a greater variation of models and manufacturers. And, of course, there is the issue of Premiums....personally, it makes no difference to me as I don't use cockpit view but I can understand the complaints. I guess we can only hope that, with the advancements due to the better technology of PS4 that they will be able to include a lot more Premiums and more cars in GT7....of course, we could end up with more cars but no greater variation!

 

[Chainsaw_Jack]

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something (else) to hate about this game. OP should have read his own post before posting and would have found his own answer to his rant.

Plenty of mustangs, vipers, camaros, corvettes in the game too.

Or maybe there's some kind of conspiracy here, where PDI caters to the buyers who complain the least about the game. Think about it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yeah, but the only way to fix it would be to delete cars.

Read my last post.

 

[eran0004]

Read my last post.

I agree, that would be a better way of organizing the dealership.

Doesn't really change anything when it comes to bias, though.

 

[SCER]

I agree, that would be a better way of organizing the dealership.

Doesn't really change anything when it comes to bias, though.

Chances are they'll get rid of anything they can't make premium for GT7, which will almost certainly get rid of any imbalance.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I agree, that would be a better way of organizing the dealership.

Doesn't really change anything when it comes to bias, though.

Sure it does, considering most of the bias comes from multiple models of the same year that have no variation other than being a special color edition or from a different region and so on. I'd say Jawhawk was right and there isn't a bias so much as a hording of cars from previous gens to make some advertised number to sale games.

 

[andy0a]

Now I've seen everyones posts, and I see everyones valid arguments and reasons. I especially agree with simplifying the dealership so as to make it like an actual dealership, with the package options or base models, red brake calipers anyone?

That being said, I see how some people may disagree in how they have done more to balance the car base in terms of adding more corvettes or muscle cars and that sake.

Maybe I'm being a bit sensational with my original post in how grossly biased PD is, but that was a rant, so after a little bit of calming down, I'll budge a little bit. Everyone is free to their own opinions, but when people say things like "stupid" or "dumb thread" that doesn't validate or support any argument or claim. Even though my OP was ranting and downright whimsical at times, we should discuss things calmly and consider both sides of the argument.

I don't hate this game, in fact I quite enjoy it, having played this nonstop since it came out, but when people say that "its always been like that since GT3 or GT4", that doesn't necessarily mean that is a good thing. If there was a glitch in the system in a game that existed since the first series game came it, does that make it okay to leave things like that?

Its like saying (out of context and a bit of a stretch) robbery is just a part of life, who cares, its been there since the dawn of time.

The advertisement on GT6 is over 1200 models, yes, technically, 1200 "models" but how many of them are truly different models? Such a polarizing issue means that if PD takes away cars, people will complain, and if they simplify it, PD might complain. What about if they add more cars, I'm not suggesting at all they take away Skylines and Silvias to only 2 each, but they spread out even further, there are car bases and brands that haven't been tapped.

I don't see an issue with adding more cars, separate different modeled cars, possibly in the next game by that time. That way they could have stronger support for their 1200 car claim.

 

[Rionmoon]

Polyphony Digital is of course a Japanese company and I've noticed it since playing the GT series, but I get it, Japanese company, give some love to the car manufacturers over there. Throw in every possible offering and differing model of Nissan production cars, from Silvias to Fairlady's to Skylines. I understand, PD wants to get cozy with their sponsor, but in GT6 and before that GT5, its a bit outta hand.

Tell me if you guys feel the same way.

You're right BUT it's never going to happen.

Well never say never but part of the problem is licensing and what amount of cooperation manufacturers want to give. We all know - or should know by now - that Porsche would probably LOVE to take part in the GT world but EVIL Electronic Arts has an EVIL long term contract that Porsche can't get out of (although I wonder if Porsche could prove that EA hasn't fulfilled some promise in the contract and could thereby get out of said contract). As for the rest of the manufacturers, they have to approve what cars go into the game and want some kind of licensing agreement / money or something. In fact I'm suprised GM allowed the Trans Am into the game. If I remember, EA had a game called Motor City Online - which at the time was a LOT of fun but was canceled so resources could be dumped into the POS game Need for Speed - and had licensing on the Trans Am

In short, I don't know how most people think the cars get into the game, but PD does not just borrow or rent a car they want in the game, make some scans, take a few notes and measurements then put the car into the game. There is licensing and other fun legal stuff to consider. Plus I'm sure some car executives aren't willing to put a car into a game that doesn't perform as well as they would like it to just to have it criticized and trashed by game players (I.E. Potential buyers). Putting cars into games has also become major advertising as well so we shouldn't forget that aspect either.

 

[Rionmoon]

In short, we could actually think about a petition and if we get enough people on it, petition PD to diversify their brands, that doesn't mean cut out your Skylines, Nissan has been a loyal sponsor of PD and I respect that, but add more to balance it out. If anything write a letter of grievance with a couple thousand signatures.

Letter of grievance from the European and North American players...and nothing from the very happy Asian-Pacific fans who's home town favorite cars dominate the game.

Good luck there.

That's like England writing a letter of grievance to the American FCC that Americans show to much Football and not enough cricket on American TV.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@Rionmoon Porsche is as much to blame as EA, actually more. They went to EA and sold the exclusive rights for video game use. Porsche doesn't feel like they're losing out and doesn't seem to care if they're in GT or not so Porsche actually could get out if they wanted.

 

[Rionmoon]

@Rionmoon Porsche is as much to blame as EA, actually more. They went to EA and sold the exclusive rights for video game use. Porsche doesn't feel like they're losing out and doesn't seem to care if they're in GT or not so Porsche actually could get out if they wanted.

Not doubting you but I would like to read or see where you're getting that information from. Really. I'm one of the people who would love Porsche in the game and I feel that the RUF cars don't perform anywhere near their real life counterparts or most RUF drivers would be dead.

I also have a problem believing that Porsche is sitting idly by watching their direct competition in the sales market - Mercedes, BMW and Audi be represented in the GT series and they are not. Adverting in video games is now considered a VERY important marketing strategy by car companies

Putting Cars In Video Games Is Now A $2.8 Billion Industry

Also it's been stated multiple times by multiple sources that EA is the problem with Porsche not being in the GT series. Even Kaz himself has said as much and that its an issue with EA in a recent interview that's been posted right here on GTPlanet.

 

[andy0a]

These car companies, they're being treated in a way almost like Suge Knight treating his artists. They're making EA look as if they bully these car companies to sign only with EA and hold all rights to them, I mean Porsche we don't know the full details of their deal with EA. Unless someone here is a Porsche or EA exec with the whole contract at their disposal, we don't know the full details of their agreement between EA and Porsche besides EA having Porsche's entire licensing rights for a few years.

Like @LMSCorvetteGT2 said, Porsche could be at fault, nobody is forcing them to sign a contract, they were dumb enough or greedy enough to sign a contract for exclusive rights, when they could've done what other car brands do and sign individual rights, (Ferraris and Lamborghinis in several different racing games) but instead they weighed the advertisement revenue to contract revenue, and chose contract.

@Rionmoon theres also the side that EA is at fault. Some people look at EA almost as small businesses look at Wal Mart or little children looking at members of the Vatican church, its horrid. EA has several issues such as DRM and game locking software, but the thing is, EA could've presented an individual licensing deal as well, but maybe EA figured to steal Porsche all for themselves, and cut out from the competition.


In the end, the biggest issue is probably money. Money is at fault, both companies wanted money, one wanted licensing money and advertisement money, and EA won out, the other wanted to undercut competition by getting a big name luxury brand all to themselves, and Porsche sold it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@Rionmoon Why considering only a few years ago Porsche was the most profitable auto maker in the world and is still doing quite well. Either way I'll find you the articles and if you want I can show you them being one of the still most profitable groups around.

And yes I agree EA is the problem to a degree, them owning the rights at this time prohibit use in GT and I read the article myself I read everything here just in case little debates like this come up. I have no life for certain periods in the day and debating makes up for it

Anyways that article from what I saw was saying no more than "well EA are what stops us from getting the cars because they own exclusive rights" not EA are the evil empire and they don't wanna share. For the right price PD could have Porsche and model them as well.

EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention Porsche has had a long standing contract and talked about how they're happy to team up with EA. Porsche has opted to deal with EA all the way back to NFS Porsche in the late 90s (or was it 2000?)

 

[andy0a]

@LMSCorvetteGT2 Why doesn't anyone license Dacia? Then I could go on GTPlanet all day, and say "Good news, The Dacia Sandero is in Gran Turismo 6!"