Do you believe in God?
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Right, so those people I know that have gone from being poor to having millions in property and assists don't exist
Honestly, based on your attitude, it sounds like the bolded part might be your own life that you assumed everyone else lives. I've met people that do live that life-style and it is very depressing. One could use the many opportunities to better themselves, given the Internet and financial support options for higher education at community college. There is plenty of freedom, it just sounds like you want to bitch and moan about how horrible the world is while doing nothing else besides that.
Well, that was enlightening.
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Most people live that lifestyle. You must be sheltered or something. Almost everyone I know has a 9-5 and is too tired afterwards to do much besides vegetate at home until bedtime. I don't know anyone who's out there climbing mountains all day every day or anything awesome like that. A very tiny percentage of people are actually out there living life. The rest sit at home playing GT5 with a beer after a long day at work.
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Is that how you live? It wouldn't surprise me if it was.
Because I'm pretty sure I go to work, come home, eat dinner, watch TV to entertain myself or come on here to see what the topic of the day is, then sleep. Add in the occasional Friday & Saturday nights where I go out & Sunday dinners with friends.
Are you sure it has nothing to do with the majority of people only wanting to grow it for illegal drug use, rather than actual products?
You do also know that you can grow hemp legally for medical use if you're prescribed to do so.
Oh, what slavery I can not grow food in the front of my house, but I can grow it on the sides & rear.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they have work the next morning.
But, you've stated you're unemployed, so that might be a foreign concept. Or you're just not willing to give up your freedom of being able to do whatever you want & not letting the evil corporate world make you a slave 5 days a week, man.
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I get up at six to help make sure my kids and wife are up and ready for school/college/work, I practice guitar for 30 mins before leaving to start work at eight.
I will work straight though arriving back home at 6:30, I will then cook a meal from scratch for the family and we will eat and talk together, at around 7:30/8 I will practice guitar for another 30 mins or spend some time with my wife away from the kids.
We will watch TV or listen to music until around 10/11 when the rest of the family go to bed, I'm a night owl and will stay up until around 1am. I may play on the PS3/360 or watch a film, read, listen to music, etc during this time.
One evening a week we will go and see my family and the wife's family and I make sure I get to the gym at least three times a week.
I'm not sheltered or something, I just don't sit on my arse and moan about how unfair the world is.
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This gets brought up all the time, but something is always skipped. People say DNA is super complex and they never explain why.
Organic stuff is mostly made out of Carbon and a few other elements that love reacting together, and they all have low atomic numbers so it doesn't take much Hydrogen crashing (Stars) to end up with a few pouches full of organic matter. As they love to react and can form very long molecules, it's no surprise that given time they can form things that are pretty complex. Oddly though, it was organic life that came before computer codes and bluray disks. It seems like the latter is harder to make, as the universe took longer to make it. It had to go through the trouble of making DNA first.
Yes they did, although only if I paraphrase your words. They didn't create themselves. The simply reacted. Living matter is non living matter, so it's not like there was some boundary where magic happened and living things exploded from rocks. It's just a big on going chemical reaction.
I guess I'm sheltered too, don't know anyone who lives in a place like that. Or maybe I'm in the top 1% of wealth and don't know it.
I go to work 9 to 5, have a good time, come home and then continue having a good time. Some off days every now and then, but basically anything I do is my own doing and I tend to enjoy a good deal of it.
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Considering I've worked hard labor at shops, been a janitor, had several 8-5 jobs, and have had to ration out Ramen packets for months, I not as sheltered as you seem to think. And because I've worked those types of jobs and known people on those routines you've described, I've made an effort to push myself towards being self-employed and more "free."
Frankly, it just looks like you have a horrible outlook on life and anyone doesn't agree with you is just sheltered or part of the conspiracy. You just sound like another one of those people that claims to have it all figured out while in fact being ignorant to most everything.
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It's all about taking responsibilty for yourself, isn't it? Yes, you can sit on your rear end all day and blame the fact that you sit on your rear end all day on the government, where you were born, your class, your education or lack thereof or whatever or you could get up and do something about it.
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I got around 6 hours last night and I didn't want to get up this morning.
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I don't believe in god(s) but I don't bash others who do.
In fact I think it's interesting to hear someone else's beliefs from their point of view.
Good read. Thanks for sharing.
In fact I think it's interesting to hear someone else's beliefs from their point of view.
Good read. Thanks for sharing.
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Just like what the atheists are doing. Select the traditions they want and strip religion out.
Did I say it causes problems?
Ah, yes they rebel, but in their own way. I probably tried to explain it in a bit difficult way; they don't rebel like in the west. In Pakistan in the tribal areas the generation that is now adults rebelled against their parents through religious and political extremism, but not directly shouting to their parents like in the west.
However the penalties limit the amount of possible criminals, because the more cunning may want to avoid crimes that will lead to harsh penalties.
Yet you replied to my post in which I opposed the view that God doesn't care about animals; initially I said nothing that would question our reign over the nature:
Why quote and reply to a post in a manner it is easily interpreted as it is not meant to: yours is easily seen that God wouldn't care about animals:
Oh, and the Finnish translation might also have changed the meaning a bit. In our language, the word that means 'reign' has a two-way meaning, the rulers rule, but also have the responsibility to defend those whom they rule. The word's meaning comes from the old times when the noblemen, mainly the king ruled the lands and people (in Sweden there was no feudalism), but they were also responsible to defend and also look after (the rights of) the citizens - hence why 'reign' in our language has those two aspects.
I don't know what the Greek version's wording is or the words' exact meaning is, though.
You've got to understand that other languages may have multiple meanings in a word (meanings that in English are the meanings of separate words), or then they may have words that are more specific than their English counterparts. For example, we have specific words for "father's brother" ('setä') and "mother's brother" ('eno'), while they both are just "uncle" in English. Now if somewhere read "uncle" and there is no more specific information, the interpreter must choose either "setä" or "eno". He might as well choose the wrong one without anyone noticing, while making a crucial mistake. That translated back to English would work, because it would become "uncle" again. No-one sees the mistake, but the Finnish version has a more limited meaning than the English one. Similarly the meaning may widen during translation.
That's why our language version has a bit different meaning, and without knowing Greek, we can't know which is more correct.
Angels aren't mentioned in the Genesis (at least not in the Creation), but just later on. So isn't Satan mentioned - they clearly give hints of a not-so-monotheistic base, but with one God (Yahweh, the creator) above the other divine creatures.
A monotheistic religion popping out of nothingness is as likely as a polytheistic religion popping out of nothingness. A single god is easier than a pantheon of gods, because
I'd see it more likely that Yahweh was Israelites' own God/god, but due to the mixing of the cultures, the Israelites took some aspects from Assyrians and Canaanites and vice versa. Some Romans took God, or Yahweh as one god of their pantheon (that was originally Etruscan) from the Jews, somewhat like how they did with the Greek gods.
In Germanic religion, there were some tribes who had extra gods/divine creatures whom the other tribes regarded as gods unique to that tribe. Similarly, some tribes considered particular gods belonging to them. Israelites could have seen Yahweh as their God/god, while not necessarily denying the existence of the other peoples' gods until later.
Since there is and might never be enough evidence to prove it any way, we can just speculate.
I don't see your point. Because Christianity has been around for only a fraction of the life span of the Earth, it is logical to stick calling the Christianity-based system the one that is the "common era"? The only thing I see is a logical fallacy.
You have to agree with me that the contradictions are caused by men - because the Bible was written by men, even the Orthodox Jews and Catholics agree with that it was written by men.
The only thing that the Old Testament says having come from God himself are the Ten Commandments. Now they don't conflict with the New Testament much, do they?
Lutheran/Protestant/Anglican church ≠ Luther himself. The view of the churches is to follow their time, with the core of the belief still in God.
Does the Great Commandment contradict with the Ten Commandments, unless you are a maniac who wants all what the Ten Commandments forbid to be done to you? And of course the Great Commandment isn't Christian in its origin, because it had already been surfaced, eg. in that line from Talmud I quoted, but probably in other cultures too. Anyway, what makes it important in Christianity is that it is the Great Commandment of Christianity.
Also, to regard the sin, who over 2 years old has never thought or said anything bad about others? But finally sin is not that important, because it is forgiven through belief. The Orthodoxes think there is a (rain)storm in which you go after death which washes the sins away, similarly the Catholics have the purgatory where the sins are burnt away. The (mainstream) Protestants think they are forgiven in a way or other, not sure if it is a storm or fire or whatever.
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I do believe that god may or may not exist and that there is no way to prove that he does or does not exist.
I also believe that all my shotguns are horribly nerfed on Borderlands 2, and they should support modders while still letting legit players play legit.
2 possible facts, 2 opinions.
I also believe that all my shotguns are horribly nerfed on Borderlands 2, and they should support modders while still letting legit players play legit.
2 possible facts, 2 opinions.
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You believe or know? You should know that because God is un-falsifiable - you can't possibly say there is no God, because God can always be placed on the outside of our knowledge. God as like that can't be proven either.
Belief is different from facts, which needn't be believed in because they are.
Oh, and don't believe in scientific hypotheses (ie. unproven theories). Science is all about questioning, not believing.
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If I walk into a dark room with no windows, it will always be dark until someone installs a window or a light bulb. Imagine the dark room as the universe before there was a universe at all. No air, no molecules or atoms, no gravity.
Now, how did the dark room become lit without someone coming by to install a window or a light bulb?
Now, how did the dark room become lit without someone coming by to install a window or a light bulb?
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Is that a reference to creationism vs evolution? I'm not sure if you can discuss it in this thread if there is a thread specifically made for this argument. Allow me to guide you to this thread:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=51448
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That is just another way of asking the question I asked: How did the room become lit, meaning how did the universe flash into existence if there was no electrical wiring (no air, energy, gravity, or atoms) or someone coming by to install a window (God?) If energy can't be created, then how did it come to exist in the first place? Why would there have been a need for it, if there was pure black nothingness? What was the purpose of energy? Lots of questions that science can't and won't ever be able to answer. I'm a philosopher, not a scientist or a clergyman. My job is to make people realize that God is a possible explanation for life on Earth, and science only proves what can be proved while failing to take into account the power of imagination.
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Not even slightly.
Your question analogises the initial conditions of the Big Bang - something without defined form or structure - to a building with an electrical supply and the Big Bang itself to a complex tool.
Since the initial conditions are not a structure and the Big Bang was an inevitiable - and single - physical process, the analogy is terrifyingly inane.
Oh, that old chestnut. If I had a dime for every time I'd heard the First Law of Thermodynamics being misrepresented as a foolish disproof of the Big Bang I'd need a new universe just to store my money.
IN A CLOSED SYSTEM, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, merely changed to other forms. The universe can be considered a closed system. The sum total of energy (and matter) that exists in the universe now existed in the initial conditions of the Big Bang.
Why would it be black?
That's the strangest question I've ever seen written down - and ironically I cannot determine the purpose of it.
No. No, you aren't.
Which God? Why that one and not any of the others? By what mechanisms is this possibility manifest?
Or, to invoke your own questions, where did God come from if all that existed was an empty room? What was the purpose of God? That alone should have you realising the inaccurate mundanity of your analogy.
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If there was no purpose for energy to exist prior to the Big Bang, then why was it there? And if there was a purpose for energy to exist, what was that purpose? The Big Bang? So the Big Bang knew the Big Bang was coming? How?
There was no universe before the Big Bang. Black is the absence of light and of color, so it had to be pure black nothingness prior to the Big Bang.
There was no universe before the Big Bang. Black is the absence of light and of color, so it had to be pure black nothingness prior to the Big Bang.
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The concept of "before" requires time. Sadly the existence of time is contingent on the existence of the universe, since the universe contains all spacetime.
The universe was present at the Big Bang. All the matter and energy that is in it now was in it then.
But with no light, no space and no time, there isn't an absence of colour - there's an absence of the concept of colour. You may as well ask what colour is the outside of the universe - it's a ludicrous question because, aside from the concept of being beyond dimensions and thus having no spatial position meaning you can't be "outside" the universe, there's no light, no space and no time there for the concept of colour to even exist. It's not "black" - it's "isn't".
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If all of this "wasn't" prior to the Big Bang, why and how "was" energy?
If the universe could somehow disappear tomorrow and nothing remained, no planets or stars or air or gravity or molecules or light, then would energy still exist? It wouldn't make sense! And for that energy to spark another Big Bang makes even less sense!
When two people are debating, where one denies to his core the possibility of a creator God, and the other cannot be sure, then both sides are bound to be offended by each other.
If the universe could somehow disappear tomorrow and nothing remained, no planets or stars or air or gravity or molecules or light, then would energy still exist? It wouldn't make sense! And for that energy to spark another Big Bang makes even less sense!
When two people are debating, where one denies to his core the possibility of a creator God, and the other cannot be sure, then both sides are bound to be offended by each other.
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