Do you believe in God?

[Imari]

In a nutshell:
In prehistoric times, religions arose as an organizing force in the economic, political and military affairs of humans. This is how tribes and clans were universally organized, and how civilization arose. The shaman came first, only then the king. Of course all these religions were founded on lies, first of which was eternal life.

So far, you're just describing history.

It was a lie necessary so that a group of believing, well-ordered and skilled followers could found and defend a walled city, and a civilization.

And there you've just made the leap from "this is what happened" to "so that is the only way it could have happened".

You're missing something in the middle.

Archeology, burial practices, and the emergence of written history support this view.

They support that your description of history is pretty much what happened. I don't dispute it.

I'm not aware of anything that supports the assertion that the idea of eternal life is necessary for civilisation. That's your argument, yeah? This started off around the idea that the lie was necessary, but we didn't specify what it was necessary for.

So let's clear this up early before we start talking circles around each other, the lie of eternal life is necessary for civilisation is your claim? If not, please correct me.

I don't want to speak for Imari on this, but from my perspective you've laid out why religion was successful, and why it became so widespread, but you haven't shown why it was necessary.

Was religion the only possible way to unite early civilizations? The only possible way to consolidate influence? If not, then it wasn't necessary. It just happened to be one useful tool among several.

This is basically it. Just because it was the most successful way, doesn't mean it was the only one.

If belief in dragons and their sacrifice for eternal souls had been a better lie than Jesus, then we would be debating dragons today, invisible or not.

You're aware that Jesus is fairly significantly after the start of civilisation, no matter how you want to define it? Your argument is that the lie of eternal life was necessary for civilisation, as I understand it. Jesus is way too late to help you establish anything, unless you want to argue that Christianity was necessary. I'd love to see someone try that one.

 

[DQuaN]

Why does God hate Asia so much? Tsunamis have killed hundreds of thousands there in recent years.

 

[jimipitbull]

Why does God hate Asia so much? Tsunamis have killed hundreds of thousands there in recent years.

Asia has the highest concentration of countries that eat dog meat.

 

[DCP]

You think God is causing tsumanis?
If you ask why doesn't He stop it, why should He? For people to continue to rebel against Him?
Why did he allow the atom bomb to fall, or why doesn't He cut my grass?
Why does He allow babies to be born without hands and feet?
Why doesn’t He grow hair on bald heads, make short people tall, replace missing teeth? Why does He put up with people who ask mindless questions? We don't know.

One thing we do know is that He is Holy and Perfect, and we have to face Him on Judgment Day.

 

[DQuaN]

He allows people to be killed in swathes by natural disasters.
Creates a world which contains minerals that can be harnessed to create nuclear bombs.
Allows babies to be born with deformities.

Holy and Perfect....

Yeah, right.

 

[Jet Badger]

Why does He allow babies to be born without hands and feet?

You tell me.

Why does your just god make babies be born with disabilities and death sentences off the start? Before you say it's because of their parents' wickedness, this happens to devout people just as much.

 

[Dotini]

@Imari
I'm saying that a pack of lies, foremost among them life-after-death, whether by resurrection or reincarnation, is at the heart of all successful religions on Earth. Shaman preaching a death cult. On some other planet, or even here, something else may work, but not near as well. Christianity, though now grown weak and flabby, eventually became the most successful of all religions because it preached the most beautiful lie, "The Greatest Story Ever Told".

I can't figure you out man. Are you a Born Again christian who believes in Christ?
Sorry, "christian", for me can mean anything in these last days.

How's the "quoting" now? Our technology isn't as good as you guys, sorry...

I was raised Unitarian in the extreme Christian environment of Texas. I rebelled. Of the 7 deadly sins, I excel in sloth, lust and gluttony. I've worked with religious people all my life and studied the religious experience deeply at times. I appreciate its beauty, utility and why it works as well as it does.

Your use of quotes and ability to survive here at GTP is commendable. Keep it light and you'll be welcome for a long time to come. You're so fun to abuse, it makes us all feel better about ourselves.

 

[DCP]

You tell me.

Why does your just god make babies be born with disabilities and death sentences off the start? Before you say it's because of their parents' wickedness, this happens to devout people just as much.

Off course it would. Do you really know what is in the hearts of devout people?
My very own brother's son is down syndrome, yet he and his wife are compassionate parents. They have two other kids as well. My dad always said that it was this kid that brought his parents together, and gave them so much patience?

I agree with him, because my brother can take literally 10 minutes to make 3 substitutes on Fifa 15.
My father failed to mention that they can also test patience.

By the way, the perfectly normal people have more troubles then a parent with a disabled child.

@TenEightyOne

You might like this one:

@Dotini

Thanks man. I have no intentions of being put off by these guys opinions.
There are great bunch, and I don't fall because of abuse.
I joined GTP in 2004, and made only a hand full of posts for the sole purpose of this site...
I've preached more then anything, yet I believe someone here is watching and changing.

 

[huskeR32]

You think God is causing tsumanis?

No, but it's a good question to ask of an omnipotent creator who claims to love us all.

If you ask why doesn't He stop it, why should He? For people to continue to rebel against Him?

Again, because he claims to love us, yes?

Why did he allow the atom bomb to fall

Another good question to ask of an omnipotent creator who claims to love us all.

or why doesn't He cut my grass?

That your list of tragedies includes your unkempt lawn shows just how much you refuse to look at any aspect of life, whatsoever, without the lens of religion there in front of you to cloud it all up.

Why does He allow babies to be born without hands and feet?

Yet another good question to ask of an omnipotent creator who claims to love us all.

Why doesn’t He grow hair on bald heads, make short people tall, replace missing teeth? Why does He put up with people who ask mindless questions? We don't know.

You're just all over the map here, aren't you?

Ya know what, I'll give the big fella a break on these. He's got too many tsunamis, atom bombs, and uncut lawns to worry about. He doesn't need these minor quibbles to worry about.

One thing we do know is that He is Holy and Perfect, and we have to face Him on Judgment Day.

Do we? How?

--

Seriously, these questions you just posed, are actually things we'd love for you to answer. How do you reconcile those horrible events with the benevolent creator you're so invested in?

 

[jimipitbull]

You think God is causing tsumanis?
If you ask why doesn't He stop it, why should He? For people to continue to rebel against Him?
Why did he allow the atom bomb to fall, or why doesn't He cut my grass?
Why does He allow babies to be born without hands and feet?
Why doesn’t He grow hair on bald heads, make short people tall, replace missing teeth? Why does He put up with people who ask mindless questions? We don't know.

One thing we do know is that He is Holy and Perfect, and we have to face Him on Judgment Day.

1. No, earthquakes cause tsunamis.
2. He is very lazy - only worked for 6 days in his hole life.
3.(a) Gravity (b) He created goats
4. Would you prefer he just killed more babies instead?
5. He is attracted to short bald men with poor dental hygiene.
6. It gives his followers a sense of purpose.

Your delusions do not speak for everyone, please refrain from using inclusive terms such us 'we'

 

[DQuaN]

My dad always said that it was this kid that brought his parents together, and gave them so much patience?

I agree with him, because my brother can take literally 10 minutes to make 3 substitutes on Fifa 15.

WHAT?!!

You might like this one:

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Jet Badger]

Off course it would. Do you really know what is in the hearts of devout people?
My very own brother's son is down syndrome, yet he and his wife are compassionate parents. They have two other kids as well. My dad always said that it was this kid that brought his parents together, and gave them so much patience?

I agree with him, because my brother can take literally 10 minutes to make 3 substitutes on Fifa 15.
My father failed to mention that they can also test patience.

By the way, the perfectly normal people have more troubles then a parent with a disabled child.

So you think the disabled kid was just an instrument to test/train his parents? It might be hard for parents with a mentally disabled child, but what about the child? Why does he/she have to have an inferior life, be unable to live without assistance and have complete self-sufficiency like other people do?

"You seem to be having problems. Here, have a disabled child. Lulz." What kind of god is that?

 

[Imari]

@Imari
I'm saying that a pack of lies, foremost among them life-after-death, whether by resurrection or reincarnation, is at the heart of all successful religions on Earth. Shaman preaching a death cult. On some other planet, or even here, something else may work, but not near as well.

I'll take that as a retraction then. It's not a necessary lie.

The two big religions are Islam and Christianity, and frankly they share a whole lot more than a similar approach to the afterlife. To pin their success on that one thing seems like a big reach to me. There are plenty of religions out there with afterlives that haven't been nearly as successful, and some with highly different versions like reincarnation that have been much more so.

Success as a religion is much more complex than "must have an afterlife". To say that any one component is necessary is an awful big call, and I don't think you can justify it based on what you've presented.

If you've got more, then have at it but I think you were in love with the snappy soundbite that wasn't actually all that accurate. And it was a good line, which is why I didn't bother hacking into it the first few times you used it. There's something to be said for a nicely crafted piece of prose, and it's a somewhat heart warming idea too. I'm not going to stomp on that just because.

But if you're going to be slinging it around all the time we need to establish that it's not strictly factual. I've seen it in too many places not to at least debate it with you in one of them.

Christianity, though now grown weak and flabby, eventually became the most successful of all religions because it preached the most beautiful lie, "The Greatest Story Ever Told".

Like I said, I'm not going to argue beauty. You think it's beautiful, and that's fine. Useful was debatable. Necessary was outright wrong.

I'd argue "The Greatest Story Ever Told" though. Again, that's your subjective opinion, but if you want to present that as objective then you're going to need more.

Christianity may have become the most successful because it had the most appealing story, although personally I think that there are other things that come into it. But let's not lie to ourselves by pretending that the lie was somehow necessary.

It makes for a good sounding line, "the most beautiful, useful and necessary lie ever told", but it is itself a lie.

 

[jimipitbull]

So you think the disabled kid was just an instrument to test/train his parents? It might be hard for parents with a mentally disabled child, but what about the child? Why does he/she have to have an inferior life, be unable to live without assistance and have complete self-sufficiency like other people do?

"You seem to be having problems. Here, have a disabled child. Lulz." What kind of god is that?

A generous, but very stupid kind of god. Down syndrome is the result of an extra copy of chromosome 21. Their life expectancy, education and job prospects is comparable to Jesus'.

 

[Eric Demory]

Every now and then, they will keep planting the seed. Just understand that they care.

Oh trust me. Dad's stop planting years ago.

Also, the governments fund the illuminati, that controls everything, besides the bible...

Must be trolling, I hope for your sake you aren't being serious

I can't help but imagine anthony Cumia doing his Jesse Ventura impression. "The word "God" is a secret undercover code for the Illuminati. Created by our very own fellow government. They're watching us and controlling our minds without knowing with harp units. Showing signs of mind control. MIND CONTROL!"

Why does God hate Asia so much? Tsunamis have killed hundreds of thousands there in recent years.

You think God is causing tsumanis?
If you ask why doesn't He stop it, why should He? For people to continue to rebel against Him?
Why did he allow the atom bomb to fall, or why doesn't He cut my grass?
Why does He allow babies to be born without hands and feet?
Why doesn’t He grow hair on bald heads, make short people tall, replace missing teeth? Why does He put up with people who ask mindless questions? We don't know.

One thing we do know is that He is Holy and Perfect, and we have to face Him on Judgment Day.

When horrific weather storms through an area and kills hundreds, even thousands, of lives, why did they die? I thought God was suppose to be the ultimate guardian. All of this praying business does not seem to be working out at all. Also, why is this called the sacred life? Life isn't so sacred if everyone and everything dies eventually. We just have to continue living with or without religion. Religion is only a life in our shoes, as George Carlin once said. But, hope doesn't seem to contribute to anything.

 

[sammy neuman]

I'll answer (because otherwise it might get ignored).

Yes, because it would force people to actually put a little thought into morality rather than trusting to a God who gets morality wrong A LOT!

God: "Man rapes a woman, that man must marry that woman."

Thanks God, you're the best. That's some sound morality if I ever heard it.

Edit:

I wonder how an all knowing omnipresent supreme being could be wrong so much.

I'm not certain that people in general would put more thought into morality in that world than they do in this one. I would point out that "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" requires much more thinking than "man rapes a woman..." The first sounds like something God might say. The second sounds like something Congress would come up with.

Random musing: If man has free will, then so does the rest of the universe.

edited to correct bad grammar.

 

[squadops]

...hope doesn't seem to contribute to anything.

Except Presidential campaigns.

 

[Mike458]

So I was on the Internet and I found this: http://www.youngdisciple.com/magazine/stories-online/science-and-the-spirit/health-helps1.aspx

No comment.

 

[Brett]

It is a double-edged sword - and it is also one of the most dangerous myths around, perpetuated by those who glorify death and killing, particularly in warfare and/or terrorism. In contrast, the 'ugly' truth - the possibility that you only get one shot at life - doesn't appear so ugly.

The one shot at life certainly change my outlook and how important some things are and how not so important others are.

 

[Dan]

... We have trillion of cells that form tissues, boners, hair, sensory and internal organs, and the chemical and hormonal systems that operate them all.

ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS.

 

[Eric Demory]

Except Presidential campaigns.

 

[Exorcet]

There are some people who think an elite cadre of secular tech-savvy Machiavellians established civilization in the Fertile Crescent, using religion as a tool to convert and control the masses. Some say it was aliens. I say it was shaman, and the death cult religions. If belief in dragons and their sacrifice for eternal souls had been a better lie than Jesus, then we would be debating dragons today, invisible or not.

We're social animals, before religion was invented we were already cooperating. I'm sure that religion has shaped civilization and that it could have been very powerful early on, but I think ultimate it was desire to simply survive that drove us into ever larger groups.

Since you not sure of the afterlife, is it wise to gamble on it by dismissing it, or perhaps pursue it without the influence of man, and perhaps just yourself?
Jesus promises life, and does so by showing love, peace, humbleness and joy.

It's not wise to bet on the unlikely. Theists bring up the risk factor, but honestly I say it hurts their argument more than anything.

For one, you're assuming there are two answer, Jesus or not. This is false, as possible answers include Allah, Zeus, Odin, Cthulhu, The FSM, etc. So there are infinite answers to the question and your probability of picking the correct one at random is 0%.

Picking at random is a poor idea though, let's factor out unlikely/poor ideas with logic. Which answer is most likely to be true? The one supported by evidence. What does evidence say? Nothing about god(s). So it's best to assume there isn't one. If you do assume, and you're wrong, you'll waste the one life you have. If you don't assume and you're right, then you can make the most of the one life whether you want to live for you or live for other people. If you don't assume, and you're wrong, you can still make the most of this life because honestly practicing medicine is going to do a lot more for people than sitting around believing in something that might not be there. Also, if you're wrong, but god(s) is truly good and mighty, then you'll probably get to go heaven anyway. If god(s) is evil or uncaring, nothing would save you.

It doesn't surprise me that others purposely kill themselves. It was, and always has been the will of the evil one.
The Shepard says " My sheep hear my voice and they come to me". If one is doing anything else, then they hear their own voice.

I'm surprised there isn't more killing. Christianity basically makes death the best thing that could happen to someone, yet christian complain about death.

You think God is causing tsumanis?

If he is all knowing and all powerful, he is at fault by definition.

If you ask why doesn't He stop it, why should He?

He knows about it, he can stop it with no effort, and it is harming innocent people.

For people to continue to rebel against Him?

Rebelling against a tyrant is a good thing. Not believing in someone is not a crime, nor are many of the arbitrary rules found in religions. So long as people are moral, they don't deserve punishment.

We don't know.

Actually, we do. Thanks to logic. If a being is all knowing and all powerful, that being is by default responsible for everything. If christian God exists, he's evil. This is proven. If God doesn't exist, that also explains why bad things aren't prevented. Yet another explanation is a lack of being all powerful. One thing is certain, there is no all powerful, all knowing, all good being watching us.

One thing we do know is that He is Holy and Perfect, and we have to face Him on Judgment Day.

Without evidence, this is just fantasy.

hearts of devout people?

It honestly doesn't matter. All that matters is that people act morally. Even a "twisted" mind that hurts no one can't be called evil. Religion will name many harmless things (pornography, homosexuality, eating a certain thing) twisted, but when you apply moral standards to the things in question, they pass easily.

You might like this one:

What does that have to do with the Bible quote? Serious question. Spell out what in the Bible indicates that machine specifically and why you didn't mention it before. You could have pulled up that video at any time, but you didn't. It makes it seem as if you're scrambling to find something to fit the words, rather than getting any insight out of them.

That is how false prophecies work.

 

[Scaff]

Because unlike evolution, they want to be sure of something they are claiming, and they have the faith that God will reveal it to them. Also, the governments fund the illuminati, that controls everything, besides the bible...

If they were so sure and able to prove it then a peer reviewed paper would be no problem at all. Try again.

Maybe so, but as dumb as you might see me, I still have achieved everything I have in life, which again proves that I don't need to understand something that doesn't benefit me. A thousand years ago, I'm sure I would still be blessed.

Which has nothing to do with the point, but thanks for the nonsense.

What do these gods offer you? Something convenient like doing enough good deeds, to get you to a better place.
Science gods offer you nothing, just becoming a plant, micro-organism or soil. Isn't that just an easy way to think that there is no negatives to worry about ever.
Jesus proclaims everything. Tells you why this world is suffering, and getting worse. He is trying to warn you through his words of what is to come, yet you make it seem too far fetched and impossible. You call His prophecies vague, and that you need more proof. Are these other gods warning you enough because they love you and want the best for you?

Science is not a god, this has been explained to you countless times. Stop making things up to meet your own set beliefs. Its dishonest and breaks your own moral code.

You cannot say you went down the prayer route already and nothing happened. Your heart is filled with many desires.
Jesus says you cannot serve God and mammon. it's why there is no connection.
Seek He "first", the Kingdom of God and His "righteousness". Go to Him with faith, not with desires.

How long have you been stalking me for?

Oh you haven't. Then stop claiming to know me, my past and what I have or have not done.

For some who claims modesty you make some rather grand boasts.

Thousands of people have died with seatbelts on. Were you racing, or just driving innocently. Lots of things to consider.
I've told you before, you have been given chances. I heard a powerful testimony from an ex Atheist Todd White. You'd be surprised what these people face, yet come out victorious, and are able to share it. I hope you could you tube him, and hear is story. I can find it for you if you want.

That's your idea of a rebuttal?

A heads up for you, I know how passive and active safety systems work in cars, I know the statistical difference in survival levels with and without active and passive systems. That is evidence to a peer reviewed, independently verifiable standard.

Okay yes, the devil wants people to believe something that is contradictory to the word of God. You are not killing yourself here and now in the flesh, but you are destroying yourself in the spirit. You haven't grasped the concept yet. Perhaps Todd White might help you understand this.
I cannot show you love with words on a forum. If you are not reading it, thinking I don't care, then obviously you would think I'm wasting your time.

That is not what you said, not even close.

The total sum evidence for the existence of the devil is exactly the same as for God. None.

We have slightly more evidence for Jesus, as Josephus was the only and closest non-biblical source of independent information on Jesus. He wrote a sum total of two things about him. A man called Jesus was baptized by a man called John and a man called Jesus was crucified by the Romans.

So unless you can bring slightly more to the table than 'its in the bible' then no, the devil is not making me kill myself (but banging my head at the mind-numbing level of blinkered nonsense you bring to the table might).

 

[MatskiMonk]

ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS.

I have many, many boner cells.

 

[EvanJamesLee]

I prefer to live in ignorance. I will know the truth when I die.

 

[LeMansAid]

I'm not certain that people in general would put more thought into morality in that world than they do in this one. I would point out that "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" requires much more thinking than "man rapes a woman..." The first sounds like something God might say. The second sounds like something Congress would come up with.

I think it's sad that sensible people like you are buried in a pile of @SuperCobraJet, @DCP, and @etc. Sad also that others get caught up in shoveling at this pile that seems to invariably never reduce in size.

Related - On the topic of the over-extrapolated wording for "yes" in the poll.....

The no option isn't any better.

To me, "No way!" is too strong to accurately reflect atheism, it's more like nontheism. It just sounds too much like a positive claim of divine nonexistence.

Agreed. Somehow the OP's apparent intentions still permeate the poll, and unfortunately far too much of the discourse. I love a good "pants-ing" of a God nutter every now and then, but I find the energy that goes in to provoked and even unprovoked deriding of religious stuff to be all too "No way!" on the part of some supposed true atheists. Time will roll on, @DCP will roll along, but someone else will surface in the same jester's garb. Worse still the wise "elders" will lower themselves to figuratively engaging in food fights with ye olde clown.

@sammy neuman I'm interested to know if you believe that The Bible should be taken literally, without the allowance for human interpretation, particularly in the area of specific culture(s). I find that people occupying the middle and balanced area, be they believers or non-believers, are able to have the more interesting discussions.

Note - as I typed "The Bible", I was reminded of a little thing that suggests a person is caught in a reactionary state in regards to God and religion. The Bible is a book, and book titles are written with capitals. When I see someone appear to deliberately use lower case for it, I often can't help but think that they don't have a balanced and unbiased approach.

 

[JockeP22]

How do you make Holy water? Boil the hell out of it.

 

[DCP]

So you think the disabled kid was just an instrument to test/train his parents? It might be hard for parents with a mentally disabled child, but what about the child? Why does he/she have to have an inferior life, be unable to live without assistance and have complete self-sufficiency like other people do?

"You seem to be having problems. Here, have a disabled child. Lulz." What kind of god is that?

Oh trust me. Dad's stop planting years ago.



I can't help but imagine anthony Cumia doing his Jesse Ventura impression. "The word "God" is a secret undercover code for the Illuminati. Created by our very own fellow government. They're watching us and controlling our minds without knowing with harp units. Showing signs of mind control. MIND CONTROL!"



When horrific weather storms through an area and kills hundreds, even thousands, of lives, why did they die? I thought God was suppose to be the ultimate guardian. All of this praying business does not seem to be working out at all. Also, why is this called the sacred life? Life isn't so sacred if everyone and everything dies eventually. We just have to continue living with or without religion. Religion is only a life in our shoes, as George Carlin once said. But, hope doesn't seem to contribute to anything.

We're social animals, before religion was invented we were already cooperating. I'm sure that religion has shaped civilization and that it could have been very powerful early on, but I think ultimate it was desire to simply survive that drove us into ever larger groups.



It's not wise to bet on the unlikely. Theists bring up the risk factor, but honestly I say it hurts their argument more than anything.

For one, you're assuming there are two answer, Jesus or not. This is false, as possible answers include Allah, Zeus, Odin, Cthulhu, The FSM, etc. So there are infinite answers to the question and your probability of picking the correct one at random is 0%.

Picking at random is a poor idea though, let's factor out unlikely/poor ideas with logic. Which answer is most likely to be true? The one supported by evidence. What does evidence say? Nothing about god(s). So it's best to assume there isn't one. If you do assume, and you're wrong, you'll waste the one life you have. If you don't assume and you're right, then you can make the most of the one life whether you want to live for you or live for other people. If you don't assume, and you're wrong, you can still make the most of this life because honestly practicing medicine is going to do a lot more for people than sitting around believing in something that might not be there. Also, if you're wrong, but god(s) is truly good and mighty, then you'll probably get to go heaven anyway. If god(s) is evil or uncaring, nothing would save you.


I'm surprised there isn't more killing. Christianity basically makes death the best thing that could happen to someone, yet christian complain about death.



If he is all knowing and all powerful, he is at fault by definition.


He knows about it, he can stop it with no effort, and it is harming innocent people.


Rebelling against a tyrant is a good thing. Not believing in someone is not a crime, nor are many of the arbitrary rules found in religions. So long as people are moral, they don't deserve punishment.


Actually, we do. Thanks to logic. If a being is all knowing and all powerful, that being is by default responsible for everything. If christian God exists, he's evil. This is proven. If God doesn't exist, that also explains why bad things aren't prevented. Yet another explanation is a lack of being all powerful. One thing is certain, there is no all powerful, all knowing, all good being watching us.


Without evidence, this is just fantasy.


It honestly doesn't matter. All that matters is that people act morally. Even a "twisted" mind that hurts no one can't be called evil. Religion will name many harmless things (pornography, homosexuality, eating a certain thing) twisted, but when you apply moral standards to the things in question, they pass easily.


What does that have to do with the Bible quote? Serious question. Spell out what in the Bible indicates that machine specifically and why you didn't mention it before. You could have pulled up that video at any time, but you didn't. It makes it seem as if you're scrambling to find something to fit the words, rather than getting any insight out of them.

That is how false prophecies work.

Here, maybe this will help you guys understand. I know how difficult it is to, with natural eyes though. I've been there.

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other

How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers.

Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

It's clear God is warning all of us of bad things happening, and bad things to come. The question is, are you prepared when you inevitably die? As I said, good people die at 12 or 25 in their sleep. If you die in Christ, you inherit His Kingdom.

If you want your questions answered, at least try reading with an open heart, instead of fulfilling prophecy all the time.. Here http://www.gotquestions.org/bad-things-good-people.html
It's pretty clear and straight to the point.

I mean, if a man could not give up on God in this condition, how much more for you who has everything?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Vujicic


So I ask you, if science is sharp, why can't they warn people in areas where is will happen?
I'll tell you, because there is someone sharper that you'll temporarily block out.

You see, man cannot stop the inevitable, no matter how much blood, sweat and tears come out of him.
The Bible is clear that the world has fallen, clear that people can escape it through Jesus, and it's also clear that no man is forced to do so.

 

[Liquid]

100% arsewater.

 

[Eric Demory]

if science is sharp, why can't they warn people in areas where is will happen?

It's called the weather channel. Though, it isn't always accurate. But, how would a god warn people about a tradgic event, such as a tornado, is coming along? Your thought would be God's first sign is the moment when the tornado hits the ground. "God has shown us a sign. Now let's get the 🤬 outta here!"