Do you believe in God?

[DCP]

What happens when you think negatively about someone = nothing.

What happens when you hurt someone = you hurt someone.

No, they are not the same. You're not promoting high standards, but nonsense.

What happens is the wicked mind, thoughts and deeds go before the true Uncorrupt perfect Judge. That perfect Judge who offers eternal salvation, but also perfect and offer eternal punishment. The victim or suspect decides their fate. The severity of the punishment is based on His perfect judgment.

But I didn't.

If he wants to make that promise, he sounds like a real :censored:hole.



No. They point is I don't get a choice. Whatever I do, I have to live with the punishments inflicted upon me for things that I didn't do. Things that were done before I was born.



I don't. Do you see me consuming any forbidden knowledge? I can't continue their sins even if I wanted, because the option isn't available to me.



There's nothing to forgive. Finding your treatment of others to be disgusting is not a sin. Feeling sick that you would punish a child for something that their parent does is not a sin. It means that I'm a compassionate human.

Try it, it's nice.



Ah, abuse.

This is not a thread about Christ. It's about belief, and one of the options is "no, I don't believe". Which means that people who don't believe are just as welcome to take part as those who do.

GTFO is not a reasonable response to an argument that you find difficult.



I'm not painting any picture, I'm merely looking at what He's painted himself. But unlike you, I don't restrict myself to only what I want to see. If all of the universe is God's creation, then all of it reflects upon Him. I don't look at all the great stuff and say "Oh, what a nice guy" while ignoring all the death, destruction and suffering. It's all together.


What's this about persecution? I'm not being persecuted. Unless you're trying to persecute me, in which case you're doing a terrible job because I didn't notice.

You do have a choice. Eternal salvation or eternal condemnation. You've obviously made the choice now, come on. You only kiddin yourself.

The things you didn't do. Who is the judge of that? If it's yourself, obviously you won't see anything wrong. You break the ten commandments everyday, through thought and deed somehow. Only you can take your own punishment without Christ.

I mean, if you abused your children, does that mean they must abuse their children?
If Adam sinned and must no pay the price, that doesn't mean you have to continue in that manner. Christ changed that, but the choice to accept that change is down to you my friend.

Why I say rather not respond, because all you ever do is blame God, and mock God, like the scripture says. It doesn't end well down that road, that's why it's best to rather move on, than debate something you refuse to believe in.

 

[zzz_pt]

@DCP

Imagine we started killing the children of every criminal. Do you think that would be just and perfect?

You have to say that should be the way to deal with crimes since you think is perfectly moral and good to punish me (and every other person) for something someone did thousands of years ago.

You fail to realize that we don't have the same options (imagining Adam existed for sake of argument) Adam had. So, if we don't have the same options, we can't be accused of having made a decision about anything.

No son or daughter of a murderer is born a murderer without any choice to be something else. Every person born has the choice to be or not to be a murderer.

 

[DCP]

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@DCP

Imagine we started killing the children of every criminal. Do you think that would be just and perfect?

You have to say that should be the way to deal with crimes since you think is perfectly moral and good to punish me (and every other person) for something someone did thousands of years ago.

You fail to realize that we don't have the same options (imagining Adam existed for sake of argument) Adam had. So, if we don't have the same options, we can't be accused of having made a decision about anything.

No son or daughter of a murderer is born a murderer without any choice to be something else. Every person born has the choice to be or not to be a murderer.

That's very easy to imagine, but that still doesn't answer the question, as to why you and I, and everybody else in this world still sins, if they refuse to take punishment of their parents. If they don't want that punishment, then why don't they stop sinning? It's a simple question.

if you say they can't stop sinning, then you know the events in Genesis are 100% correct. If you rebelled after being warned of the consequences, then why still rebel? Simple. Free will. What you had was not enough, that you wanted to actually become like a God. All non believers have that wish. They are all their own gods and go by their own rules and thoughts.

So, if you took on the same sins as your parents, you can't actually blame them for it, when you have the will to change all that, right?

 

[Imari]

You do have a choice. Eternal salvation or eternal condemnation. You've obviously made the choice now, come on. You only kiddin yourself.

No, you're arrogating yourself to think that you know me as well as God does.

You have no idea what I've chosen, or even if I have chosen. It is my understanding that if at any point before I die I repent and accept Christ, I will be saved. So why choose now?

The things you didn't do. Who is the judge of that? If it's yourself, obviously you won't see anything wrong. You break the ten commandments everyday, through thought and deed somehow. Only you can take your own punishment without Christ.

You see how again you're arrogating yourself that you know my behaviour as well as God does. You know that I'm breaking commandments daily.

Are you spying on me?
Do you simply think that it's appropriate for you to judge and sentence someone over the internet, someone whose face you have never even seen?

What sort of Christian are you, that you think it's appropriate for you to judge others like this? And you're trying to tell me that I'm a sinner?

Pot, please meet my friend Kettle.

I mean, if you abused your children, does that mean they must abuse their children?

Well, if you'd actually read what I said it would be "if you abused your children, does that mean that you must abuse their children?"

And the answer is no. In a reasonable world, with reasonable people who aren't horrible to each other, no one would dream of doing such a thing.

But God would. God punished Adam and Eve, and all their children, forever.

If Adam sinned and must no pay the price, that doesn't mean you have to continue in that manner. Christ changed that, but the choice to accept that change is down to you my friend.

Do you know the difference between presumed innocent and presumed guilty?

According to you, because of Adam's sin every single human is presumed guilty. Even if they are a child who has literally done nothing except be born. And so they are subjected to the punishments that Adam was. As you are, and as we all are, at the very least until the day we die. So that's at least one lifetime of earthquakes and tsunamis and AIDS and wars, regardless of what you believe or how devoted to Christ you are. There may be more punishments for the unbelievers afterwards, but we all get the punishments available in this world.

Why I say rather not respond, because all you ever do is blame God, and mock God, like the scripture says. It doesn't end well down that road, that's why it's best to rather move on, than debate something you refuse to believe in.

It is not blame to assign responsibility to God for the things that He has done. He claims responsibility for all things, I merely point out that some of them are pretty awful things for someone to do. Especially someone who claims to be compassionate and all-powerful.

I do not mock God. I mock the idea that there is a God that does these terrible things. I think that if there is a God, he is not what you say he is. He does not punish people for the sins of their ancestors, because that would be cruel. He does not send people who have lived good lives to hell simply because they did not worship Him, because that would be childish and petty. He is, in fact, very little like the God you describe. He is a kind and loving being who is willing to accept anyone who tried to do their best.

I think that if there is a God, He is disturbed by the idea of people like you. I suspect He will be giving you a talking to and pointing out that all those silly rules were made up, because no superior being needs to be praised and worshiped. He is proud if He sees people doing good things and enjoying themselves, because that's really the point. People who go around trying to make themselves feel like they're better than others because they'll be getting into the good afterlife and everyone else is going to hell are not only wasting their time, they're bringing everyone else down, and that's totally counterproductive to the whole exercise.

I could be wrong, in which case I'll have a chat with Him when I get there. He's omnipotent, He can take as much time as He needs to explain to me exactly how I'm wrong and why. And then I'll understand, and I'll be totally on board with it. And He'll be cool, because He's like that. Not some sort of vengeful :censored:hole who would burn me for eternity simply because I didn't follow some list of wacky rules. He'll be pleased that I was trying to figure things out for myself, even if I ended up being wrong.

So you see I'm fine with it, because your god doesn't exist. I don't know if mine does, but if He does then He's totally fine with the way I live my life. He's totally fine with the way most people live their lives. He's not going to send me to hell, and he's not going to send you to hell for worshiping the wrong God either. He's just not that sort of fella. You tried and you did your best, even though you were kind of a jerk to other people about it.

 

[Danoff]

What happens is the wicked mind, thoughts and deeds go before the true Uncorrupt perfect Judge. That perfect Judge who offers eternal salvation, but also perfect and offer eternal punishment. The victim or suspect decides their fate. The severity of the punishment is based on His perfect judgment.

Proof by assertion.

You do have a choice. Eternal salvation or eternal condemnation.

False dilemma.

You've obviously made the choice now, come on. You only kiddin yourself.

argumentum ad lapidem

The things you didn't do. Who is the judge of that? If it's yourself, obviously you won't see anything wrong. You break the ten commandments everyday, through thought and deed somehow.

Red Herring, proof by assertion.

I mean, if you abused your children, does that mean they must abuse their children?
If Adam sinned and must no pay the price, that doesn't mean you have to continue in that manner. Christ changed that, but the choice to accept that change is down to you my friend.

Non-sequitor

Why I say rather not respond, because all you ever do is blame God, and mock God, like the scripture says. It doesn't end well down that road, that's why it's best to rather move on, than debate something you refuse to believe in.

Ad hominem, appeal to authority, appeal to consequences, appeal to fear

That's very easy to imagine, but that still doesn't answer the question, as to why you and I, and everybody else in this world still sins, if they refuse to take punishment of their parents. If they don't want that punishment, then why don't they stop sinning? It's a simple question.

if you say they can't stop sinning, then you know the events in Genesis are 100% correct. If you rebelled after being warned of the consequences, then why still rebel?

False dilemma.

Simple. Free will. What you had was not enough, that you wanted to actually become like a God. All non believers have that wish. They are all their own gods and go by their own rules and thoughts.

Non-sequitor, staw man

So, if you took on the same sins as your parents, you can't actually blame them for it, when you have the will to change all that, right?

ignoratio elenchi

 

[CodeRedR51]

Perhaps read His word...

You know, I was in a hotel this weekend and found a bible in a drawer (common in the states, not sure where else) and upon opening it to a random page, it took me less than 30 seconds to find a passage talking about killing people, and even less time to find one talking about slavery.

I wish there was a fire place in that hotel room, because I would have thrown it in there.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I wish there was a fire place in that hotel room, because I would have thrown it in there.

Intolerance, leading to book burning?

Seriously though, what's the thought process? This closed book in a closed drawer will offend me, so I'll open it and read some, so I can be offended enough by it to want to destroy it?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Intolerance, leading to book burning?

Seriously though, what's the thought process? This closed book in a closed drawer will offend me, so I'll open it and read some, so I can be offended enough by it to want to destroy it?

It was better off as a tree in the first place.

 

[MatskiMonk]

It was better off as a tree in the first place.

Should've nicked it and put it in the re-cycling then. Save a tree.

 

[Exorcet]

What happens is the wicked mind, thoughts and deeds go before the true Uncorrupt perfect Judge. That perfect Judge who offers eternal salvation, but also perfect and offer eternal punishment. The victim or suspect decides their fate. The severity of the punishment is based on His perfect judgment.

There being a judge does not make a crime. Negative thoughts do nothing. They will do nothing even if someone somewhere gets really mad when they pass through a person's mind. Said mad person should do a priority check if he lashes out at people for doing nothing wrong.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Should've nicked it and put it in the re-cycling then. Save a tree.

Best to compost it, save a cabbage.

 

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That's very easy to imagine, but that still doesn't answer the question, as to why you and I, and everybody else in this world still sins, if they refuse to take punishment of their parents. If they don't want that punishment, then why don't they stop sinning? It's a simple question.

if you say they can't stop sinning, then you know the events in Genesis are 100% correct. If you rebelled after being warned of the consequences, then why still rebel? Simple. Free will. What you had was not enough, that you wanted to actually become like a God. All non believers have that wish. They are all their own gods and go by their own rules and thoughts.

So, if you took on the same sins as your parents, you can't actually blame them for it, when you have the will to change all that, right?

Danoff already smashed your fallacious arguments but I'll leave a reply here nontheless.

Sin is an invention of religion. It doesn't mean anything for anyone in the real, non theocratic world. Is just another imaginary concept of an imaginary thing, suposedely created by an imaginary being that religious people imagine every other person is bonded to.

To much imagination...

 

[Sir Tuddle]

Danoff already smashed your fallacious arguments but I'll leave a reply here nontheless.

Sin is an invention of religion. It doesn't mean anything for anyone in the real, non theocratic world. Is just another imaginary concept of an imaginary thing, suposedely created by an imaginary being that religious people imagine every other person is bonded to.

To much imagination...

God's brownie points

 

[DCP]

No, you're arrogating yourself to think that you know me as well as God does.

You have no idea what I've chosen, or even if I have chosen. It is my understanding that if at any point before I die I repent and accept Christ, I will be saved. So why choose now?



You see how again you're arrogating yourself that you know my behaviour as well as God does. You know that I'm breaking commandments daily.

Are you spying on me?
Do you simply think that it's appropriate for you to judge and sentence someone over the internet, someone whose face you have never even seen?

What sort of Christian are you, that you think it's appropriate for you to judge others like this? And you're trying to tell me that I'm a sinner?

Pot, please meet my friend Kettle.



Well, if you'd actually read what I said it would be "if you abused your children, does that mean that you must abuse their children?"

And the answer is no. In a reasonable world, with reasonable people who aren't horrible to each other, no one would dream of doing such a thing.

But God would. God punished Adam and Eve, and all their children, forever.



Do you know the difference between presumed innocent and presumed guilty?

According to you, because of Adam's sin every single human is presumed guilty. Even if they are a child who has literally done nothing except be born. And so they are subjected to the punishments that Adam was. As you are, and as we all are, at the very least until the day we die. So that's at least one lifetime of earthquakes and tsunamis and AIDS and wars, regardless of what you believe or how devoted to Christ you are. There may be more punishments for the unbelievers afterwards, but we all get the punishments available in this world.



It is not blame to assign responsibility to God for the things that He has done. He claims responsibility for all things, I merely point out that some of them are pretty awful things for someone to do. Especially someone who claims to be compassionate and all-powerful.

I do not mock God. I mock the idea that there is a God that does these terrible things. I think that if there is a God, he is not what you say he is. He does not punish people for the sins of their ancestors, because that would be cruel. He does not send people who have lived good lives to hell simply because they did not worship Him, because that would be childish and petty. He is, in fact, very little like the God you describe. He is a kind and loving being who is willing to accept anyone who tried to do their best.

I think that if there is a God, He is disturbed by the idea of people like you. I suspect He will be giving you a talking to and pointing out that all those silly rules were made up, because no superior being needs to be praised and worshiped. He is proud if He sees people doing good things and enjoying themselves, because that's really the point. People who go around trying to make themselves feel like they're better than others because they'll be getting into the good afterlife and everyone else is going to hell are not only wasting their time, they're bringing everyone else down, and that's totally counterproductive to the whole exercise.

I could be wrong, in which case I'll have a chat with Him when I get there. He's omnipotent, He can take as much time as He needs to explain to me exactly how I'm wrong and why. And then I'll understand, and I'll be totally on board with it. And He'll be cool, because He's like that. Not some sort of vengeful :censored:hole who would burn me for eternity simply because I didn't follow some list of wacky rules. He'll be pleased that I was trying to figure things out for myself, even if I ended up being wrong.

So you see I'm fine with it, because your god doesn't exist. I don't know if mine does, but if He does then He's totally fine with the way I live my life. He's totally fine with the way most people live their lives. He's not going to send me to hell, and he's not going to send you to hell for worshiping the wrong God either. He's just not that sort of fella. You tried and you did your best, even though you were kind of a jerk to other people about it.

Why choose now? What silly question is that? You could not wake up tomorrow morning, but rather wake up in a place you will immediately know you deserve to be. Not sure if you a gambler, but that sure is a gamble of a life time. Eternal life.

You right, I don't know that you sin everyday, but God does, hence telling us in his word what unbelievers do daily. SIN.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

Sorry to be blunt, but you fit this category, simple because you reject God, His word, and His promise.
No two ways about it. We respect your choice, as we cannot force you to do what you don't want.
No man here on this earth can convert you. Only the Holy Spirit can draw you to God, since He knows the condition of your heart.

Again, God rightfully and justly punished Adam and Eve, because He warned them so of the consequences.
Babies are not punished, since babies go straight to heaven. Children who practice sin because of their parents teaching them the wrong ways, will be punished, and the parent can expect even worse punishment. Off course no one wants punishment, but this is the reality. No one can practice evil and wickedness and go unpunished. That only works in a Godless worldview.

Again, don't be mistaken, as every other religions gods accept good deeds.

The God of the bible makes it very clear that no good deeds can get a man saved.
We are saved by Grace, as it is a free gift from God, who didn't need to do anything to save us from our decision, yet He is the only God who dove into this world to give us a chance to re-unite with Him, through His Son.

Don't be mistaken. I'm not making anything up. It's straight from the scriptures.
It doesn't matter what you say, or what god you paint to suit your lifestyle. Judgment will fall upon the earth once and for all, and those who choose to keep practicing evil, wickedness, and remain conformed to this world, and the things of this world, will not escape. It's pretty clear.

The wages of sin is death, and sin separates us from God. If we say we are without sin, we deceive ourselves, for NO ONE is good but God. We have all sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God.
If sin was imaginary, then the people thinking that are even more deceived, as perhaps they think the sin they commit daily is imaginary.

If you don't know about Christ, how could you know how I perceive Christ?
Just remember that when the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.

 

[Denur]

You right, I don't know that you sin everyday, but God does, hence telling us in his word what unbelievers do daily. SIN.

Why do you contradict yourself here? You do know that His word is the ultimate truth, right?

 

[GBO Possum]

Why choose now? What silly question is that? You could not wake up tomorrow morning, but rather wake up in a place you will immediately know you deserve to be. Not sure if you a gambler, but that sure is a gamble of a life time. Eternal life.

You right, I don't know that you sin everyday, but God does, hence telling us in his word what unbelievers do daily. SIN.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

Sorry to be blunt, but you fit this category, simple because you reject God, His word, and His promise.
No two ways about it. We respect your choice, as we cannot force you to do what you don't want.
No man here on this earth can convert you. Only the Holy Spirit can draw you to God, since He knows the condition of your heart.

Again, God rightfully and justly punished Adam and Eve, because He warned them so of the consequences.
Babies are not punished, since babies go straight to heaven. Children who practice sin because of their parents teaching them the wrong ways, will be punished, and the parent can expect even worse punishment. Off course no one wants punishment, but this is the reality. No one can practice evil and wickedness and go unpunished. That only works in a Godless worldview.

Again, don't be mistaken, as every other religions gods accept good deeds.

The God of the bible makes it very clear that no good deeds can get a man saved.
We are saved by Grace, as it is a free gift from God, who didn't need to do anything to save us from our decision, yet He is the only God who dove into this world to give us a chance to re-unite with Him, through His Son.

Don't be mistaken. I'm not making anything up. It's straight from the scriptures.
It doesn't matter what you say, or what god you paint to suit your lifestyle. Judgment will fall upon the earth once and for all, and those who choose to keep practicing evil, wickedness, and remain conformed to this world, and the things of this world, will not escape. It's pretty clear.

The wages of sin is death, and sin separates us from God. If we say we are without sin, we deceive ourselves, for NO ONE is good but God. We have all sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God.
If sin was imaginary, then the people thinking that are even more deceived, as perhaps they think the sin they commit daily is imaginary.

If you don't know about Christ, how could you know how I perceive Christ?
Just remember that when the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.

Man has created maybe ten thousand gods over the course of human history.

The difference between you and I is that I believe in one fewer gods than you.

Sadly, your belief system causes you to live in continual fear of the wrath of your god as you so clearly demonstrate above amongst the rambling meanderings.

You must be terrified since the odds are maybe 9,999 to 1 that you've chosen the wrong one to appease, especially because (I'd be prepared to bet) you haven't read the "scriptures" of every one of the ten thousand to be sure you got the one true God which was not made up by man. I'd also bet that this god you write about is the same god your family believes in. That's not a good start.

The answer maybe is that it's not a single god, it's one of those polytheistic clubs of gods.

Yikes, I'd hate to be you! So much fear and misery in your head to wake up to each day.

 

[Imari]

Why choose now? What silly question is that? You could not wake up tomorrow morning, but rather wake up in a place you will immediately know you deserve to be. Not sure if you a gambler, but that sure is a gamble of a life time. Eternal life.

You sure picked a late stage of the argument to bring Pascal's Wager in. Shame it's not valid.

You right, I don't know that you sin everyday, but God does, hence telling us in his word what unbelievers do daily. SIN.

You're saying that all unbelievers sin all day? Simply by being unbelievers I guess, because there's nothing apart from that stopping them from behaving just as righteously as anyone else.

So actually, all you've done is define it such that anyone not in your group is going to hell, period. That's not about sin, that's about control. You're not interested in whether they're actually sinning, you just want them to do what you tell them to.

Sorry to be blunt, but you fit this category, simple because you reject God, His word, and His promise.
No two ways about it.

I reject your God, just as I assume you reject my proposed God.

We respect your choice, as we cannot force you to do what you don't want.

Babies are not punished, since babies go straight to heaven.

How's that? They're human, they have original sin as well.

At what age do babies stop getting this free pass into heaven and have to repent in order to get in? One year old? Two? When they start talking? When they start giving other kids wedgies?

Children who practice sin because of their parents teaching them the wrong ways, will be punished, and the parent can expect even worse punishment. Off course no one wants punishment, but this is the reality. No one can practice evil and wickedness and go unpunished. That only works in a Godless worldview.

No, no it doesn't.

Again, don't be mistaken, as every other religions gods accept good deeds.

No, no they don't. You are not a special and unique snowflake.

The God of the bible makes it very clear that no good deeds can get a man saved.
We are saved by Grace, as it is a free gift from God, who didn't need to do anything to save us from our decision, yet He is the only God who dove into this world to give us a chance to re-unite with Him, through His Son.

Quite. We're bad because He says we're bad. He'll say that we're good, but only if we do what He says. Not by actually being good people, being good doesn't make you good in God's world.

I think you're back on the doublethink again.

Don't be mistaken. I'm not making anything up. It's straight from the scriptures.
It doesn't matter what you say, or what god you paint to suit your lifestyle. Judgment will fall upon the earth once and for all, and those who choose to keep practicing evil, wickedness, and remain conformed to this world, and the things of this world, will not escape. It's pretty clear.

Tell me again how you're not judging me. Tell me more about how you respect my choices. You seem to be fairly reveling in the idea that I will be judged and punished.

I find it very amusing that often it seems that the most vocal Christians are the ones who least embody the principles of Christianity. It's all very well to make lots of noises about what a good Christian should do, but it's a lot harder to actually do it. As you're finding.

You struggle to make a post without reminding me (very happily) about how much I sin and that I'm going to hell.

Would you be so happy if one of your children were to be going to hell? Your wife? Your parents? Would you remind them every time you saw them, just so that they don't forget?

Is that what it means for a Christian to love thy neighbour, to be happy about all the terrible things that are going to happen to them? It doesn't sound like any sort of love I've ever heard of, I would be horrified to hear that bad things were going to happen to anyone I love. You seem quite chuffed about it.

But maybe your sort of "love" is different to mine, more triumphant in the faults of others, taking more pleasure in others pain. Most people call that sadism, but maybe that's a part of "love" to you.

Just remember that when the Son sets you free, you are free indeed.

We're all as free as we want to be. The only way you can lose the freedom of your mind is if you give it up voluntarily.

You've chosen to do so, I have not.

 

[Danoff]

You must be terrified since the odds are maybe 9,999 to 1 that you've chosen the wrong one to appease

Infinity to 1 if you weight every possible god equally. We could narrow it down a bit if we only gave equal weighting to Gods which had books written about them. Further if we narrow it to Gods which have books written about them in English, depicted in movies in English, and have at least 100 churches dedicated to worshiping them in America, and have at least one guy worshiping them named "Bubba". But that would be arbitrary (also I'm sure it doesn't rule out Xenu).

 

[FoRiZon]

Never knew @Imari went into Ponies to disprove some god guy. But whatever, let it slide.

 

[Imari]

Never knew @Imari went into Ponies to disprove some god guy. But whatever, let it slide.

It was gonna be Bender, but then I saw the pony one and thought that was even more amusing.

 

[Denur]

I don't know that you sin everyday, but God does

If this sentence is read in another way than intended, it suddenly makes a lot more sense.

 

[Imari]

I see this has been another drive-by thread bombing by @DCP.

The more often I see it, the more I suspect he's simply using it as a super lazy way of fulfilling his proselytising quota.

 

[squadops]

Then he would believe falsely in works.

 

[Imari]

Then he would believe falsely in works.

The dude has already demonstrated a remarkable ability to ignore cognitive dissonance. I see no problem with that.

 

[DCP]

Man has created maybe ten thousand gods over the course of human history.

The difference between you and I is that I believe in one fewer gods than you.

Sadly, your belief system causes you to live in continual fear of the wrath of your god as you so clearly demonstrate above amongst the rambling meanderings.

You must be terrified since the odds are maybe 9,999 to 1 that you've chosen the wrong one to appease, especially because (I'd be prepared to bet) you haven't read the "scriptures" of every one of the ten thousand to be sure you got the one true God which was not made up by man. I'd also bet that this god you write about is the same god your family believes in. That's not a good start.

The answer maybe is that it's not a single god, it's one of those polytheistic clubs of gods.

Yikes, I'd hate to be you! So much fear and misery in your head to wake up to each day.

Correct, but only ONE created man, and everything else seen and unseen. That's the One I believe in. The ONE that clearly revealed why the things that happen in the world, actually happen, both good and evil. The ONE that could have left us to our demise, yet still dove in to rescue those in need of rescuing. Those blinded by pride and the flesh of this world cannot see it. It's fitting, because He said, do not be conformed to the things of this world, but rather renew your mind, and understand the perfect will of God.

I live in victory because of HIM, not fear. The ones without Him live in fear, but have too much pride, and are too ashamed to tell others, but would rather keep it in their hearts. Thankfully, the ONE I believe in judges the heart, and not the outward appearance, like all the other gods, including man.

You sure picked a late stage of the argument to bring Pascal's Wager in. Shame it's not valid.



You're saying that all unbelievers sin all day? Simply by being unbelievers I guess, because there's nothing apart from that stopping them from behaving just as righteously as anyone else.

So actually, all you've done is define it such that anyone not in your group is going to hell, period. That's not about sin, that's about control. You're not interested in whether they're actually sinning, you just want them to do what you tell them to.



I reject your God, just as I assume you reject my proposed God.

How's that? They're human, they have original sin as well.

At what age do babies stop getting this free pass into heaven and have to repent in order to get in? One year old? Two? When they start talking? When they start giving other kids wedgies?



No, no it doesn't.



No, no they don't. You are not a special and unique snowflake.



Quite. We're bad because He says we're bad. He'll say that we're good, but only if we do what He says. Not by actually being good people, being good doesn't make you good in God's world.

I think you're back on the doublethink again.



Tell me again how you're not judging me. Tell me more about how you respect my choices. You seem to be fairly reveling in the idea that I will be judged and punished.

I find it very amusing that often it seems that the most vocal Christians are the ones who least embody the principles of Christianity. It's all very well to make lots of noises about what a good Christian should do, but it's a lot harder to actually do it. As you're finding.

You struggle to make a post without reminding me (very happily) about how much I sin and that I'm going to hell.

Would you be so happy if one of your children were to be going to hell? Your wife? Your parents? Would you remind them every time you saw them, just so that they don't forget?

Is that what it means for a Christian to love thy neighbour, to be happy about all the terrible things that are going to happen to them? It doesn't sound like any sort of love I've ever heard of, I would be horrified to hear that bad things were going to happen to anyone I love. You seem quite chuffed about it.

But maybe your sort of "love" is different to mine, more triumphant in the faults of others, taking more pleasure in others pain. Most people call that sadism, but maybe that's a part of "love" to you.



We're all as free as we want to be. The only way you can lose the freedom of your mind is if you give it up voluntarily.

You've chosen to do so, I have not.

I'm saying everyone sins everyday. They only kidding themselves if they say they are righteous.
I'll say it again, as it's not going through. Sin separates man from God. The enemy of sin is death. Death is the enemy.
Jesus conquered death. Who's got the victory? Those dying in their sin, or those who acknowledge sin, and understand why they need the Saviour?

Babies are born with original sin yes, but only start sinning when exposed to sin. Only God knows a child's innocent heart, and when they actually acknowledge sin, and takes advantage of it. This is why there must be a Perfect judge, so that the world can't question it, but rather accept and understand their judgment.

You are bad because you know it in your heart, but keep it a secret because you assume no one knows what you do.
He says your bad, because He knows it. He made it very clear that no one is good. That includes me and you.

I'm not judging you, much less like you are judging me by assuming I'm judging you.
You understand the fact that sin separates God, yet you choose to be wilfully ignorant, meaning you would rather still go to hell, because you don't want to know God, or understand and accept what He has revealed about this world, from the very beginning. You prefer by choice, to rather trust in the creation, because what man says in todays world, fits your world view. Simple, its your free will, and we can't force or change you, unless we sign up with Isis etc.


Finally, Christ spoke more about the reality of hell. If there was no punishment, than why would Christ need to die for the sins of the world? As God is true and just, if He offers eternal salvation, He must offer eternal condemnation. Only difference is, the people choose which one they would like to end up with. Sin without repentance, and you bound to choose condemnation. Like I say, no one is forced. If I don't tell you the price of sin, then I'm not a true born again Christian. If I only tell you about the love of Christ, you will take it for granted that God loves you, no matter what you do, right or wrong. You must understand both sides of it.

 

[Denur]

The ones without Him live in fear, but have too much pride, and are too ashamed to tell others, but would rather keep it in their hearts.

You are bad because you know it in your heart, but keep it a secret because you assume no one knows what you do.

Again, you assume too much. But now I understand how you can justify all this for yourself. By simply not trusting us, you can keep this part of your faith alive.

 

[TenEightyOne]

the world can't question it

Ah. Silly us.

 

[zzz_pt]

This might be considered as spam but, why not?

yes, I like these books

 

[Imari]

You are bad because you know it in your heart, but keep it a secret because you assume no one knows what you do.

Lol. I don't keep what you call sins a secret, I just don't happen to think that most of them are sins. I especially don't think that they're sins if they only happen inside my own head.

He says your bad, because He knows it. He made it very clear that no one is good. That includes me and you.

Yes well, according to you we are what He made us. If He made us bad, and He says we're bad, then He's probably right. If He's sure that He hasn't made anyone that is good, then He's probably right again.

Why is He bothering? Why make a planetful of people who are bad?

I'm not judging you, much less like you are judging me by assuming I'm judging you.

There's no assumption about it. You have labelled me.

You understand the fact that sin separates God, yet you choose to be wilfully ignorant, meaning you would rather still go to hell, because you don't want to know God, or understand and accept what He has revealed about this world, from the very beginning.

No, I don't believe in your God, just as you don't believe in mine.

The difference is that yours is a vengeful mofo who will sentence me to eternal torture if you're right. Mine is not, and you'll be free to share the fruits of the afterlife with all the other poor souls who were wrong but tried hard to do their best anyway.

Finally, Christ spoke more about the reality of hell. If there was no punishment, than why would Christ need to die for the sins of the world?

Because he was a dude who got stabbed. When you get stabbed, you die. That's how it works.

As God is true and just, if He offers eternal salvation, He must offer eternal condemnation.

If God was true and just, he would only sentence people who deserve it to eternal condemnation.

What earthly crime could possibly deserve eternal condemnation?

Only difference is, the people choose which one they would like to end up with. Sin without repentance, and you bound to choose condemnation. Like I say, no one is forced. If I don't tell you the price of sin, then I'm not a true born again Christian. If I only tell you about the love of Christ, you will take it for granted that God loves you, no matter what you do, right or wrong. You must understand both sides of it.

No, you simply enjoy the feeling of superiority that it gives you to tell others that they will go to hell for eternity while you will not.

You're not a true Christian anyway, true Christians aren't this aggressively intolerant. You're just a dude who needs to somehow justify to himself that he's better than those around him, and you've chosen to do it through religion.

I've met true Christians, and they're a lot more pleasant than you. They teach when wanted, help when needed, and always respect the choices of others whether they agree or not. And, and this is an important one, they're never dicks about it.

 

[ryzno]

Y'all are still replying to him
I'm surprised y'all don't ignore him like you do me