Do you write stories?

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Tell the story.

Storytelling came long, long before the writing on the wall, or to be more specific, before the cuneiform hit the clay.
Telling the story is a lot easier than recording it.

Tell the story to yourself, find someone and tell them the story, act it out, say the words, show the emotions. All you need is one person as an audience to be a storyteller.
Then write it down, bits and pieces. The start. The end. A conversation. A violent scene, a tragic scene, a scene that would bring tears to your own eyes. If you don't cry, your audience ain't gonna cry.

After awhile the story comes alive in your mind and you can't help capturing it, every word, every sound, every smell and whiff of wind in the tale as you stitch it together and it comes out as a whole story, beginning, middle and end.

Then out comes the clay tablet. Or some current version of it.
Then you write. :)

Luckily I've got a friend who seems interested in how this story will go. I told her I was thinking about writing it and she persuaded me to go for it.

Whenever I wrote stories before I always seemed to try and write it from start to finish rather than writing my ideas down as I got them and writing around them. I've got lots of big ideas for certain parts of this story I'm working on, so I think instead of keeping them in my head and trying to just write it from cover to cover, I'll write down these 'checkpoints' or so in the story and work around those.
 
No. I do not write stories.

You just did, my friend. Quite a short one. :)

I don't know if its posted before but this might come in handy.

The 22 Pixar Story Rules. http://filmmakeriq.com/2012/08/the-pixar-story-rules/

She left out #23: There are no rules.

Ask James Joyce. Or Anthony Burgess.

Obviously her job was at stake, never mind the fact that with Pixar the medium is the message.
Good guidelines for studio writers though, routines that commercial writers have followed for decades.


Find your own voice. Break the rules.
 
@photonrider Yes. Everyone of us has unique way of storytelling. I would like to read or see more of this than people copying styles from other authors, writers or directors. Yes to "no rules". Make your own rules, be unique.
 
Writers are dangerous. Writers topple governments.

Therefore writers are feared by those who would limit the imagination of the collective consciousness. So they lock up writers or torture or kill them; an example to other writers. Writers are critiqued, castigated, dishonoured, defamed, dismembered, executed or wiped out of existence, every stroke of their pen annihilated.
Because writers break the rules.

They hear the word 'Write!' in their heads, write a book, and change the World with words.
They shape reality.

And so what is written can bring war or wellness, because as much as the pen is poetic it is mightier than the sword, with which comparison we must remember, then, that the pen is also a weapon - and it is only with weapons that rule can be enforced.

The rules of shaping reality are yet to be written.

When you spread a page open and pick up your pen, think not of rules, let your thoughts flow.

Rules appear only where and to whom you need to express such thoughts, and how, and what, and why, and when, will then rule that transmission of thought, that idea, that concept, that story you must tell.

Otherwise, write. Words are spells, and the magic will take over.
 
While they're nifty rules for screenwriters, it needs to be said:

Movies don't always have to make sense.

That is, movies exist to tell stories and to keep people engaged. Which means that the logical flow of a story will sometimes be sacrificed for the movie to move from Point A to Point B, with both points being inviolable.

The job of a director is to gloss over the fact that sometimes these things don't make sense. But when you're selling a story that has to stand on the written page, naked and shorn of special effects and movie magic, you don't have this luxury.

Still... it's a good list.
 
Whilst my usual internet access is out I have reverted to an old habit I used to do when I write stories. Close your eyes, block out all sounds and smells and feelings. Then put yourself IN the story. Whatever position, it could be as one of the characters, or someone observing. From there, build up that one small scene visually. Once it is built up then add sounds. Then smells. Then finally feel it. What does the ground feel like. Is the gravel crunching under your shoes, with dust having been kicked up by a passing car, temporarily tinting the world ahead of you in a golden haze, making your throat feel scratchy as you pass through it, etc etc. Once you have that, write it down. Doesn't have to sound like a story - that part will come later on. The key is that whatever you imagined you have to make sure your reader can imagine it too.
 
Writing rules can be useful if you're not sure where to go or how to begin, but the more you learn the more you understand that the rules you've been given are not absolutes and are really only guidelines for learning your own style and how to write effectively. You learn to use the rule or not as your writing needs it so that your writing turns out the way YOU want it to be. Then it becomes a tool for you to use instead of a rule that restricts you. ;)

Examples? 'Show, don't tell' is one of the ones most often fervently shouted. And it's a good start. For most types of writing, showing a scene makes it more immediate, the impact greater, and it draws the reader in faster and more effectively. It's a more enjoyable read. But if you never tell, then every single transition between scenes can be torture. If nothing big happened while my character was at school for the day, why am I taking the care to show it? Events that are not important don't need to be shown and would be IMO teeth gratingly annoying to be shown. A few lines of telling will carry the reader past them, and they can continue to read what's interesting to them. But it goes further. In some styles of storytelling, the most effective 'voice' IS telling. In 'Watership Down', the rabbits' mythologies are all told in telling. It changes the voice and feel of those sections and makes them both stand out against the main story and feel as though someone is telling us a story on a long winter night. This is a stylistic choice.

So use the rule when you don't know why you need it yet, break the rule when you've learned why it exists and how it actually builds your writing, and ignore the rule when it's a stylistic or Voice decision to make your writing what you want it to be and to get the effect you want. It grows from a restriction to a tool you can use to manipulate your writing effectively and achieve your goals. :)
 
The rules of craftsmanship should never be confused with the 'rules' - if one can even apply such blasphemy to Creativity - to creativity.
As very well put by Mrs Wolfe in the post above one needs to learn the rules of the craft of writing before one is creative enough to break the rules as required when creative expression is required.
There was a time that single word sentences would be excised by an editor in nothing flat. Today? A bunch of 'sentences' like this:

Forty. Thousand. Posts.

. . . is easily used as the title of a thread, and read and understood for the drama it conveys, for the extra attention it calls for.

Words are the primary tools. We first collect those in our hunt for the perfect bunch of sentences.
The more words you know the more tools you have.
The more you know where to use those tools and how to put them together to work the more you know where glue may be used instead of a staple.


As for Watership Down - who could forget that book once read.

*shiver.
 
I decided to try writing the synopsis first. From that, i get the idea on how to write the story. Finally a progress, i guess.
 
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Some work I did the other day, trying to get a rough prologue together
 
Those Pixar Rules... funny, I never followed this one when writing my GT4 story:

#7: Come up with your ending before you figure out your middle. Seriously. Endings are hard, get yours working up front.

And that explains a lot of things, really. It's easier to work towards an ending, and trying to come up with an ending mid-way through a story.

I've written a story for one my Uni projects. I would have to translate it, so I will basically pitch it for you:

"In a world without surface water, a group of nomads move from shipwreck to shipwreck looking for water inside caves, when one day they come across a man claiming to know how to get water back on Earth."

That's pretty much the idea. It's a short story, around 10 pages.

EDIT: Should have clarified it's a script.
 
'Watership Down' is one of my all time favorite books, and I often reference it, despite it not being in any of the genres I write. It really has stood the test of time, as melancholy as the ending may be. I consider it a classic. :)

@ECGadget your handwriting puts my chicken-scratch to shame. ;) Thankfully, I type quickly enough that I have given up paper drafts for the most part.

Though this may open the plotter/pantser debate, I'll admit to being a plotter when I write, laying out my story in advance and working through it from point to point. Individual scenes are only marked with a goal and a conflict though, so I can be more off the cuff than it sounds. Some stories have wandered and required a replot, but most at least keep the bare bones of what I hoped for, and it makes for a far easier revision process than my pantsing attempts. For me at least, it is ridiculously difficult to pants a novel. I need a map! :P
 
@Mrs Wolfe I often type things, but as much as I work with computers and type thousands of words, I just feel much more like handwriting and more like it is an art when I write with hand. I even bought a new pen the other day specifically to get me writing more!! Eventually though I would have to rewrite that all on Word, simply because I do not think that the OCR capabilities cover my tiny teeny writing xD

I tend to do what you do in a way. For example, with that prologue that I have written I already know where I want the story to go and when. It is just a matter of getting it there in a way that is still engaging to the readers. I never really write out my map though, preferring to keep it in my head because then if something else comes up that is better I just flow towards that instead. I like to go with the flow when writing stories and it makes it so much nicer when I read it back and think about what I have written. Sometimes I am like "Wait... I don't remember writing that but it really works!". Other times I am like "Well it looks like I thought far too hard in this section. LAAAAME!".

Okay, I have no idea what I am saying right now. I am actually going with the flow like I do in stories. Will I ever finish a novel? Who knows. Will I ever even finish my stupid fanfiction that I started to brush up on writing skills? Again, no idea!


Oh... and I can write much smaller than that. MUCH MUCH smaller.
 
You just did, my friend. Quite a short one. :)



She left out #23: There are no rules.

Ask James Joyce. Or Anthony Burgess.

Obviously her job was at stake, never mind the fact that with Pixar the medium is the message.
Good guidelines for studio writers though, routines that commercial writers have followed for decades.


Find your own voice. Break the rules.
I was waitng for that. You little booger you. :mischievous:
 
The only time writer's block matters is if you are writing to some deadline or limitation of topic.
Otherwise, just walk away and do some other stuff that requires doing, brushing teeth, winding clocks, dusting off the door mat - useful things that sometimes don't get done when you are actually writing. When the compulsion to write comes, you won't be able to stop it.

When the feeling of absolute senselessness that is commonly taken as writer's block comes upon you when you are writing under pain of death, then, too, a little break can sometimes help. A cup of tea. A perusal of the newspapers, Going though some material that is connected with the topic. Or even a movie or book break and suddenly what you were missing will come to you.
That's how it works with me.
With others, anything from porn to a joint could be helping - who knows, writers can be eccentric.


I was waitng for that. You little booger you. :mischievous:

We have to remember that the 'rules' as labelled here from Pixar are not actually rules. Rules have to be enforced. With punishment. Though reward can also work.
What punishment would there be if you disregarded every single guideline of Pixar's?
It is basically a 'tip-sheet', a schedule of routines, a foundation for a mind-set, recomendations on writing for a particular marketable audience. Maybe the word 'RULES" in there was some power-grab by whoever edited the head, or a placebo that following them guaranteed success.

niky put it vey well:

While they're nifty rules for screenwriters, it needs to be said:

Movies don't always have to make sense.

That is, movies exist to tell stories and to keep people engaged. Which means that the logical flow of a story will sometimes be sacrificed for the movie to move from Point A to Point B, with both points being inviolable.

The job of a director is to gloss over the fact that sometimes these things don't make sense. But when you're selling a story that has to stand on the written page, naked and shorn of special effects and movie magic, you don't have this luxury.

Still... it's a good list.


But are there rules to writing? Not just applied to what you write, but to how you write?

Oh, yes. And they rarely change - some of the rules going back millennia and still hardly effected by any drift.
Some rules are so simple they are self-evident.

To write, you need replicable symbols. Writing is not shooting a video, or doodling, or hammering out a tattoo.
To write you string together symbols to make a phoneme that stands for some sound, and you then string together several phonemes to make words that stand for concepts, and you then put the concepts together to communicate a larger concept - a message involving all the concepts - but all this with symbols marked on a surface.

The scrawl on the wall is writing. The epic video isn't (though it may start with writing.)

The lettered, pierced heart carved on a tree is writing. A rock song isn't, though it may have been notated first.

The TXT message you sent your friend was writing. The pic that accompanied it wasn't. Though there may have been something left to the imagination.

The job application you hammered out on the laptop, the obituary you cut and chopped to satisfy, that Presidential speech you laboured nights over, sheet after sheet of marks and symbols, words that called, provoked, yelled promised, soothed, calmed, energized . . . sheet after sheet thrown into the fire, symbols turning to sparks one way or another - that's writing. Comics aren't writing, though a good story is a good start.

Your textual post here is writing. Grabbing a pic off the web and stamping it in here is not writing.

Writing is what we have been doing in this thread - and a lot of great writers in here - but that's natural. A Forum's original premise is to communicate - and writing is the first and most basic way we communicate in here.
That becomes a self-evident 'rule': when you use symbols, written, to communicate, you are writing.

Whether you make an arrow sign in the sand, or inscribe 'they went that-a-way' on a rock, the message is the same - and you used symbols to transmit that message.
Not outrageous pictures, not movies, not songs, not bedtime stories read aloud out of the book. None of that is writing though writing is a good start if you want to express something that way.

Because, the story - the message - the neuronic connections made - the imagination expressed to be imagined by the reader - the ultimately shared connection when communication is 100% - that is where the story functions in its purest form; to amplify consciousness of some reality - to collect the consciousness of all readers and make them one with the mind of the one that wrote.

That's writing. Just symbols, or as we may broadly refer to them: words.

There are no crutches to stand on. No intro music, no visual special effects, no awesome sounds of thunder. No pretty pictures of pouty lips, or glittering cars, or fierce-looking guns. There's nothing to look at - just words. There's nothing to hear but the words in your head.

When you make some symbols in the sand or on papyrus or walls of Pompeii, or your journal, or laptop to reflect that sound in your head, and others can read it and understand, then you've followed the most basic rule ever - the one enforced by being misunderstood or understood - you've written. You have dared to write.

So there are rules to writing - depending on the language you are using as well as the dialect. English has hundreds of dialects - for instance Medical English is not the same as Engineering English. The wrong term could mean life or death. The English of Litigation is so complex one could spend a lifetime 'reading' Law. These are all dialects (and I'm not talking about misplaced allophones :) ) they are word-specific to the disciplines and some words in normal everyday use mean something else entirely in such technical or academic fields.

The dialect of Twitter, FB, and YouTube are vastly different - though they all use some form of English (and forms of other languages, too) and TXTSPK as a language is as ancient as Hittite cuneiform except they used different marks instead of our English consonants - and they didn't much like vowels, themselves, either.

Writing is simply putting some words together and trying to make someone else imagine it themselves.
So what makes a good writer?
The writer who remembers that a book is only as good as its reader.

Here we go:

The dog jumped over the house.

Now what did you imagine? And why? Does that illustrate how the power of your own imagination is required? How much can the writer do to make the reader work less?
 
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Challenge accepted. :P

Here's a question for you guys: how often do you get writers block? And how do you deal with it?

They're in the mail.

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Writer's block? Every frigging day. Granted, a car review is not high literature, but you still need a hook, a premise, a storyline and a conclusion to wrap around all the horribly dry facts.

When I'm stuck, I simply go ahead and try something I know won't work, hoping that, along the way, I'll figure out a way to fix it. And if I don't, looking over what I've written sometimes gives me an idea for something better, and I can trash the first draft and start over.

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Of course, this is magazine writing, never more than 1.2k words. But they did commission a fictional piece from me for last month (A Day in the Life of the Stig). It was lots of fun to do, but bloody difficult. I suck at dialogue.




Good thing Stiggy never talks.
 
I don't get Writer's Block as it is often imagined, but I do get, for lack of a better term, plot block. It occurs when I've mangled the plot somehow, and I can sense I have, and I have to dig myself out of that hole before I can write any further. Struggling to write, for me, is a sign that I've written myself into a corner somehow.

I do, however, often get a case of Writer's Lazy and Easily Distractable. This can usually be cured by a butt in chair effort and a timed Internet block to keep me out of my email. Short of plot problems, if I sit down and close out of distractions, I can write. The quality of said writing is occasionally debatable, but you can't edit a blank page. I'd rather fight with revision than have a whole lot of nothing. :)

Plotting in advance helps me a lot with this. I sit down, pick up from last time, and my notes say 'Such and such needs to happen. Go.'. And then I trundle along until I've reached word count at which point I reevaluate if I should be writing or possibly doing dishes instead. Or sleeping. I'm fond of sleeping. :D
 
a case of Writer's Lazy and Easily Distractable

...This's sooooo me. Gosh, there's just so many things pulling me left, right and center everyday, it's a small miracle if I can knuckle down and scribble (or type) a bunch of illegible words.
 
I have been experiencing some blocks lately. I think it is to do with the pressures of other things, but I have found that if I do a little focus exercises beforehand (maybe play some music) I can write more freely. Strange thing but it works!
 
I have been experiencing some blocks lately. I think it is to do with the pressures of other things, but I have found that if I do a little focus exercises beforehand (maybe play some music) I can write more freely. Strange thing but it works!
Not strange at all, I had to do creative writing for my AS English language course and I just couldn't think of a subject, so I just blocked it out of my mind for a while and just did things, from music to films to magazines.

In fact, it was a magazine which gave me my idea: 1,500 words on Niki Lauda returning to F1 in 1976 after reading the Rush special of F1 racing magazine and a song gave me the idea for a short story that I did a while ago.
 
Not strange at all, I had to do creative writing for my AS English language course and I just couldn't think of a subject, so I just blocked it out of my mind for a while and just did things, from music to films to magazines.

In fact, it was a magazine which gave me my idea: 1,500 words on Niki Lauda returning to F1 in 1976 after reading the Rush special of F1 racing magazine and a song gave me the idea for a short story that I did a while ago.


Now that is an essay I want to read! I never used to have this problem until recently (with work pressures). That is why I asked about the block
 
Now that is an essay I want to read! I never used to have this problem until recently (with work pressures). That is why I asked about the block
I guess work pressures are hard to work around, but at least you have a way of dealing with it 👍

I also might upload it soon. That depends if I find it on my school drives.
 
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