Does "Freedom" exist nowadays?

[niky]

Ok, Jesus did...

No he didn't.

I'd say Paul...

More correct. Do note... that Jesus did not claim divinity as God himself, but Church leaders in the decades after his death interpreted his words as meaning such. He only claimed to be a "Son of God" and "One with his Father", but not "The Almighty"

 

[Duke]

The one and only Catholic Church Founded by God.

Allow me to repeat myself, since you completely failed to address my comment:

1) Most major religions say that. Prove which one is right.

Are we free? No. A lot of what I do is driven by necessity. And necessity is the anti-freedom. If I have to spend all night working on homework in order to get the degree that I need to pursue the career that I chose freely, is that really all that free?

Certainly it is really all that free. "Freedom" means you are free to decide what a given thing is worth for yourself. It does not in any way imply that the thing you want must be provided to you with no effort or sacrifice on your part. If you don't like doing the homework, drop out of school and do something else. It's your choice. But having freely chosen to pursue a goal, it becomes your responsibility to either satisfy the requirements or change the goal. None of that impacts your freedom.

 

[wfooshee]

Don't try to teach religious history history of religious events to zealots. That would require them to be willing to think, to view facts as opposed to lore, and to draw logical conclusions, freedoms they do not have. Why was the Tree of Knowledge forbidden, after all?

 

[DK]

Why was the Tree of Knowledge forbidden, after all?

Because it said that the world is much older than 6,000 years and that all organisms descended from one single organism.

 

[LizMcQueen]

mmmm, a thread about freedom, and now talking about religion?
You're wrong, words "freedom" and "religion" can't be used in the same phrase, I'm sure it's impossible.

 

[Jay]

Speaking of freedom, I am being forced to vote tommorrow and it is putting a bit of a spanner in my plans.

 

[Duke]

Speaking of freedom, I am being forced to vote tommorrow and it is putting a bit of a spanner in my plans.

You're free to not vote. Just don't expect to remain free if you don't.

 

[Munzir Ali]

I've been thinking about this topic a while ago, and I decided to begin another "Heated-yet-Cult" GTP-styled argument, to discuss it with GTP'ers that wander this sub-forum. People here appear to be very knowledgeable .

Three questions to begin with:

1. What do you think is freedom?
2. Do you think you're free in this modern ages?
3. Do you want to be "free" (according to your description of freedom)?

Please answer this questions first so you expose your view properly and others can argue with you based on that.


I'll begin with my personal opinion:

1. I believe freedom is the right of materializing and accomplishing what comes from the wonderful and almost limitless human mind without ruining the same right for others.

2. No. Absolutely not. He haven't been free in a great number of centuries. In fact, I believe that if the lady in my avatar existed in today's world, she'd be raped and locked in a basement.

3. Of course, I want to live my live to the fullest. I don't need someone else to tell me what's wrong or right as I'm capable enough of going trough life without doing much harm by myself. What I do need is the right to do what I want to do. And what I need as well is that others respect my freedom and don't harm me with their freedom, since I'm not harming them with mine.

Laws are there for a reason. You are free to do anything that doesn't harm anyone else. IF it harms people then it isn't freedom.

 

[Sureboss]

Because by not voting, the alien party will take over Australia and probe you all, and it won't be oral probing.

 

[Jay]

You're free to not vote. Just don't expect to remain free if you don't.

Ha indeed.


Thats like a friend of mine the other day "Ahh, I don't feel like going to work today but I have no choice"

Me - "Well, you do have a choice."

 

[A2K78]

I'm all for giving up some freedoms to achieve order and security. That's the whole idea behind government. I for sure want to know that I'm safe from some goof-ball coming in and messing things up for me.

Nobody should give up their freedoms even to have measure of security because in the end this how the state ultimately consolidate power and what happen all freedoms vanish.

Why do you think think individuals like Hitler, Stalin, and just to name a few were able to achieve absolute power? They didn't just get it through brunt force, but rather the governed giving up essential liberties for a measure security and sadly this what americans are doing.

Government itself should NEVER be trusted, even the founding fathers never trust the institution of government. However they felt it was important for one reason...protecting life, liberty and property, aside from that government an illegitmate institution and should always be viewed as so.

Anyhow I said earlier americans would like to believe they are free, but reality americans are really not free especially when you consider the fact the government continue to regulate or central plan our lives in manner.

 

[Sureboss]

It is true, Obama could be the next Stalin.