Drag tuning basics

[Onboy123]

MAFIA BOY!!! WAKE UP!! I need some feedback on my Veyron…it's too inconsistent. Or rather, I'm too inconsistent, it's not fast enough…

 

[JLawrence]

@FamousTetsuo I don't know if you know, but you can edit your previous posts to include something you may have missed. Not many on this forum appreciate double posting. Also, dropping the text abbreviations is a good idea because the wanna-be moderators will jump all over you about improper grammar, not to mention it's easier on the foreign (non-English speaking) members in the forum. Just a word of friendly advice =)


Ok, TT3AZ, from what I gather, running a very high camber in the front on a rear wheel drive car reduces the amount of friction that is caused by the rubber on the road kind of like this: Envision this as a tire, zero camber - Ll and here with 10.0 camber \/. Now I know that it won't get that v-shape (can't do much better with a keyboard), but with the camber it's angling the tire so you're basically only getting the edge of it, and significantly reduced friction.

Toe I'm not so sure of, but here's my theory: On a 4WD car maxing the toe in opposite directions creates opposing forces that cause for more grip (one set is pushing out, the other pulling in) and then in terms of straight line speed cancel each other out by merit of the fact that they wind up equaling zero between the two. On a RWD car I am not as sure, but it would make sense to think that running a high positive toe would do something on the start in terms of grip and stability,

 

[FamousTetsuo]

@JLawrence. Thanks for the friendly advice. I will make sure to do that. Im on my iPhone app and im new so im still learning. Thank you.

Ok i figured it out.

 

[JLawrence]

I am now stonewalled at 252Mph in my Veyron...

 

[Onboy123]

I am now stonewalled at 252Mph in my Veyron...

Did you zero the toe and camber? And did you break it in? Every little counts. Before I broke my Veyron in when it was at 1250, I was doing 267MPH. After, with 1256hp, it was going 269MPH.

 

[FamousTetsuo]

I am now stonewalled at 252Mph in my Veyron...

Its ok. Dont feel bad. Im stonewalled at 250 out the tunnel. Id do anything to be at 252. No seriously... Anything. Lol.

 

[DLR]

Well actually Automatic 1500hp supra's are normal. I live in Florida and we have Titan Motorsports. The company who holds about 15 records for Supras. Literally the largest Supra tuneing shop. They use Auto Actually most ppl with Supras like that use auto. Reason bein. With a car that has that much power u loose too much power when u shift. There can also be mis-shifts. Automatics dont have Boost lag like Manuals so ur well thaught out argument against the truth was actually weak and easly proved wrong. Sry. Not trying to be rude but ppl have the wrong idea about Auto cars.

Manual is good for Circuit. You can easily choose the gear u need and maintain ur ur RPM's and speed.

That's weird, cuz I went to their website and found many high powered supras that were stick. And how do automatics not have boost lag? So is what your saying is if you have 2 identical supras with huge turbos, one stick and one auto, when they both launch from a low RPM, the auto should pull away?

@FamousTetsuo I don't know if you know, but you can edit your previous posts to include something you may have missed. Not many on this forum appreciate double posting. Also, dropping the text abbreviations is a good idea because the wanna-be moderators will jump all over you about improper grammar, not to mention it's easier on the foreign (non-English speaking) members in the forum. Just a word of friendly advice =)


Ok, TT3AZ, from what I gather, running a very high camber in the front on a rear wheel drive car reduces the amount of friction that is caused by the rubber on the road kind of like this: Envision this as a tire, zero camber - Ll and here with 10.0 camber \/. Now I know that it won't get that v-shape (can't do much better with a keyboard), but with the camber it's angling the tire so you're basically only getting the edge of it, and significantly reduced friction.

Toe I'm not so sure of, but here's my theory: On a 4WD car maxing the toe in opposite directions creates opposing forces that cause for more grip (one set is pushing out, the other pulling in) and then in terms of straight line speed cancel each other out by merit of the fact that they wind up equaling zero between the two. On a RWD car I am not as sure, but it would make sense to think that running a high positive toe would do something on the start in terms of grip and stability,

Good explanations

 

[XSLOANKETTERMAN]

Not sure if this has been covered yet... But just looking to get my Honda to hook up(well both of them CRX90&EK97)They are both maxxed out... But I've got terrible wheel spin... Can anyone help me out... PSN xSloan_Ketterman thnx in advance...

 

[Onboy123]

Ok, I'm in need of some help as well. I asked mafs this yesterday. But in my Veyron, when I hit 230mph in 6th, the front of the car lifts (Very visibly), the revs literally spike up. In the process of this, the speed climb seems to be even more dramatic. Now, I think mafs said this was called the 'boost multiplier' or something like that and it's to do with the gearbox. I don't want to know if it can be extended, but rather to learn how it works. In as simple a form as possible please

 

[FamousTetsuo]

That's weird, cuz I went to their website and found many high powered supras that were stick. And how do automatics not have boost lag? So is what your saying is if you have 2 identical supras with huge turbos, one stick and one auto, when they both launch from a low RPM, the auto should pull away?

I want you to read what you just said and really think about your questions. The fastest shift record in the world is held by an automatic transmission. In a "perfect" world it is possible the the auto and manual would be close in a 1/4 mil drag. But the world isant perfect is it? While urgetting ready to shift an automatic has already done it. Sry to burst ur bubble. So the answer to your question is YES. the auto would beat ur manual. Ohh and ur dunce thing shows a lot.

Also those cars dont launch at low RPM so ur arguement is invalid. High RPM=High Spool

Now a poorly tuned car with a non pro built race trans would loose to ur manual bc ur choosing your shift and the poorly built trans is lagging in shift.

 

[DLR]

I want you to read what you just said and really think about your questions. The fastest shift record in the world is held by an automatic transmission. In a "perfect" world it is possible the the auto and manual would be close in a 1/4 mil drag. But the world isant perfect is it? While urgetting ready to shift an automatic has already done it. Sry to burst ur bubble. So the answer to your question is YES. the auto would beat ur manual. Ohh and ur dunce thing shows a lot.

Umm... I was never arguing that you could shift faster in manual, you do shift quicker in an auto. As for the drag race, the auto car would win because of shifts, not because it had "no boost lag".

Also those cars dont launch at low RPM so ur arguement is invalid. High RPM=High Spool

Those cars don't launch at low RPM? Do you know what a "Turbo" is and what it does?

Now a poorly tuned car with a non pro built race trans would loose to ur manual bc ur choosing your shift and the poorly built trans is lagging in shift.

Again, I never said manual was quicker than auto. But the fact of the matter is most of the professional tuners on this forum use manual transmission. It is also necessary many times where I drag because you need to start in a gear other than 1st.

 

[Onboy123]

Y no help for me?!

 

[FamousTetsuo]

Umm... I was never arguing that you could shift faster in manual, you do shift quicker in an auto. As for the drag race, the auto car would win because of shifts, not because it had "no boost lag".

Those cars don't launch at low RPM? Do you know what a "Turbo" is and what it does?

Again, I never said manual was quicker than auto. But the fact of the matter is most of the professional tuners on this forum use manual transmission. It is also necessary many times where I drag because you need to start in a gear other than 1st.

1st. Ur talking in circles. This arguement is a wast of time. Fact of the matter. Both cars will be fast.
2nd. That sucks they make u start in gear other than 1st. Thats like making you race with full exhaust. Fail.

 

[FamousTetsuo]

Y no help for me?!

Im not at the lvl that Mafia, d2, and the others in GME are. So i dont feel confident in giving u any help on something im learning myself. Sorry mate.

 

[mafia_boy]

MAFIA BOY!!! WAKE UP!! I need some feedback on my Veyron…it's too inconsistent. Or rather, I'm too inconsistent, it's not fast enough…

*Ghetto mode* Hey, can't a brother get a bit of shut eye up in this 🤬?? 💡 I'll see you later on, I've got OMRS to run (and just to let you guys know, the next 2hrs I won't be available for drags while I'm running OMRS) so I'll give you more info after.

I am now stonewalled at 252Mph in my Veyron...

Its ok. Dont feel bad. Im stonewalled at 250 out the tunnel. Id do anything to be at 252. No seriously... Anything. Lol.

Umm, Famous....you sure you're not thinking about the Enzo??

Y no help for me?!

Im not at the lvl that Mafia, d2, and the others in GME are. So i dont feel confident in giving u any help on something im learning myself. Sorry mate.

Nah, you're at that level bro. 👍

 

[Onboy123]

Lol we were trying to wake you up in the drag room so, I take it sleeping beauty is finally awake now, is he? and what's OMRS again?

 

[mafia_boy]

Lol we were trying to wake you up in the drag room so, I take it sleeping beauty is finally awake now, is he? and what's OMRS again?

Yes, sleeping beauty is awake. Did you guys kick me as host?? I feel bad now, but I was trying to stay up all night and sleep all day today.

OMRS = Online Monthly Race Series.
Click here to look in this section!!

 

[FamousTetsuo]

*Ghetto mode* Hey, can't a brother get a bit of shut eye up in this 🤬?? 💡 I'll see you later on, I've got OMRS to run (and just to let you guys know, the next 2hrs I won't be available for drags while I'm running OMRS) so I'll give you more info after.

Umm, Famous....you sure you're not thinking about the Enzo??

Nah, you're at that level bro. 👍

Lol!!! I was thinking of the Enzo. 3P!C F4!L

And thanks for the vote of confidence. Im doing a 24h race. Should be done around 1am my time. Then ill be on.

 

[Onboy123]

Yes, sleeping beauty is awake. Did you guys kick me as host?? I feel bad now, but I was trying to stay up all night and sleep all day today.

OMRS = Online Monthly Race Series.
Click here to look in this section!!

I don't know, I got bored and left TBH. No one was running Veyrons, those who did didn't know how to drag, and I don't have any other drag car. And don't you have kids? Don't they miss your attention? I know that if my dad spent all night up and was asleep for the whole day, I'd be pretty worried about him. Especially when, from what I've read somewhere here a while back, you don't seem to be having the best luck with your health.

 

[mafia_boy]

I don't know, I got bored and left TBH. No one was running Veyrons, those who did didn't know how to drag, and I don't have any other drag car. And don't you have kids? Don't they miss your attention? I know that if my dad spent all night up and was asleep for the whole day, I'd be pretty worried about him. Especially when, from what I've read somewhere here a while back, you don't seem to be having the best luck with your health.

A health reason is why I have been up through the night the past couple of nights, but not my own health. My son has a fever so I've been staying up to make sure he has his medicine in the wee hours. Slump said I got kicked though on PSN.

 

[DLR]

1st. Ur talking in circles. This arguement is a wast of time. Fact of the matter. Both cars will be fast.

Please point out where I said manual was faster than auto.... oh wait, I didn't.

2nd. That sucks they make u start in gear other than 1st. Thats like making you race with full exhaust. Fail.

If you knew remotely anything about drag racing in GT5 you would know that 1st isn't always the best gear to launch in.


Please go away and stop making a fool of yourself.

 

[Onboy123]

A health reason is why I have been up through the night the past couple of nights, but not my own health. My son has a fever so I've been staying up to make sure he has his medicine in the wee hours. Slump said I got kicked though on PSN.

Oh...I hope he gets better soon, is it one of those really bad ones or just the 'normal' stuff <--- you can see why I'm not planning on being a doctor when i grow up, can't you , but you just spend your time staying up drag racing and swearing at things for not working or for being too stupid well, who kick you? Or was it a disconnection?

 

[FamousTetsuo]

Please point out where I said manual was faster than auto.... oh wait, I didn't.

If you knew remotely anything about drag racing in GT5 you would know that 1st isn't always the best gear to launch in.

Please go away and stop making a fool of yourself.

Ok i was trying to save u the embarrassment of making you look like a muppet. Automatics in real life are faster than manuals. (talking about ur Supra statement) if i need to quote i will. Lord knows ur not to smart. Manuals have much more boost lag than Auto trans bc of the fact you have to shift manualy. Your boost falls off. If u disagree please call your local high performance tuneing shop and ask them to slap the crap out of you for me.

Where did i ever say that it wasant a good idea to launch in 2nd in the game? Your obviously a Troll! You talk in circles to try to prove a point that isant valid. Id happily put my cars up against you in GT5 and in Real Life. Your Avitar is the perfect to describe you. Good choice

As far as i am concerned i am done speaking to you. Dont try to rope me back into the conversation because you will still be wrong at the end of the day. If ypu would like to settle this in a tunnel drag lobby i ammore than willing to show up after my 24h le mans race. Got about 10hrs left on it.

Official drag cars with huge fat tires and wheelie bars, yes, they are most likely auto. But, strangely we don't have these in GT5, we have regular street cars, which when I last checked are driven by people who use manual. When was the last time you saw an automatic 1500hp supra? Auto Viper? Auto GT-R?? QUOTE]

This is the quote that started this. 1st we were talking about Real Life cars not GT5. When was the last time YOU saw a 1500hp Supra in GT5? So as far as Real Life goes im right and ur the muphet thats wrong. I proved that there are 1500hp or close to it Supras that are Auto tran that would and will tear up Manuals. Plain and simple. Real car enthusiast know that Auto trans high horsepower race cars are better in Auto than Manual.

 

[DLR]

Ok i was trying to save u the embarrassment of making you look like a muppet. Automatics in real life are faster than manuals. (talking about ur Supra statement) if i need to quote i will. Lord knows ur not to smart. Manuals have much more boost lag than Auto trans bc of the fact you have to shift manualy. Your boost falls off. If u disagree please call your local high performance tuneing shop and ask them to slap the crap out of you for me.

Where did i ever say that it wasant a good idea to launch in 2nd in the game? Your obviously a Troll! You talk in circles to try to prove a point that isant valid. Id happily put my cars up against you in GT5 and in Real Life. Your Avitar is the perfect to describe you. Good choice

As far as i am concerned i am done speaking to you. Dont try to rope me back into the conversation because you will still be wrong at the end of the day. If ypu would like to settle this in a tunnel drag lobby i ammore than willing to show up after my 24h le mans race. Got about 10hrs left on it.

LMAO this is sad. Apparently my assumption of your ability to understand the English language was too high. And since you you didn't read my last 2 posts I will try make sure you read this one:

I NEVER SAID MANUAL CARS ARE FASTER THAN AUTOMATIC CARS



A troll? Please look at my other posts and see that I provide useful advide to those who ask for it. I will gladly settle this with you in a lobby once I get back from vacation.

"Dont try to rope me back into the conversation because you will still be wrong at the end of the day. " -

That one statement describes your ego.




The next time I will respond to your pathetic comments is at Indy on the strip. Better start tuning now, I'm gunna leave soon

 

[FamousTetsuo]

LMAO this is sad. Apparently my assumption of your ability to understand the English language was too high. And since you you didn't read my last 2 posts I will try make sure you read this one:

I NEVER SAID MANUAL CARS ARE FASTER THAN AUTOMATIC CARS

A troll? Please look at my other posts and see that I provide useful advide to those who ask for it. I will gladly settle this with you in a lobby once I get back from vacation.

"Dont try to rope me back into the conversation because you will still be wrong at the end of the day. " -

That one statement describes your ego.

The next time I will respond to your pathetic comments is at Indy on the strip. Better start tuning now, I'm gunna leave soon

I dont race 1/4. See u at ssr7's tunnel.

 

[mafia_boy]

Boys, settle down or it's handbags at 10 paces.

Famous, I know you're just keeping it real bro but trust me man, the mods enforce the AUP pretty strictly and I don't want you overstepping it you know (eg. calling people muppets directly, a no no ). They like new members even if they have old minds for snacks if they mess up. 👍

Lightning, you taking a swipe at Famous was uncalled for. I know him personally and he's got a wicked collection of SSR7 rides. If we are dealing with SSR7 then 1st is ALWAYS the gear you want to launch in, regardless of the ride. Indy is different in some aspects but I'll go and run there with my tunnel tunes and still hold up well at Indy.

I'm not taking sides here boys, two wrongs don't make a right so CUT IT!

 

[DLR]

I dont race 1/4. See u at ssr7's tunnel.

All the more reason to start tuning now...

 

[DLR]

Boys, settle down or it's handbags at 10 paces.

Famous, I know you're just keeping it real bro but trust me man, the mods enforce the AUP pretty strictly and I don't want you overstepping it you know (eg. calling people muppets directly, a no no ). They like new members even if they have old minds for snacks if they mess up. 👍

Lightning, you taking a swipe at Famous was uncalled for. I know him personally and he's got a wicked collection of SSR7 rides. If we are dealing with SSR7 then 1st is ALWAYS the gear you want to launch in, regardless of the ride. Indy is different in some aspects but I'll go and run there with my tunnel tunes and still hold up well at Indy.

I'm not taking sides here boys, two wrongs don't make a right so CUT IT!

I rarely blow over like this. I don't even know what started this lol. If you say he is good at SSR7, then the more power to him, but that doesn't give him an excuse to show me that attitude he just did.


Right, back to helping Oneboy

 

[FamousTetsuo]

Boys, settle down or it's handbags at 10 paces.

Famous, I know you're just keeping it real bro but trust me man, the mods enforce the AUP pretty strictly and I don't want you overstepping it you know (eg. calling people muppets directly, a no no ). They like new members even if they have old minds for snacks if they mess up. 👍

Lightning, you taking a swipe at Famous was uncalled for. I know him personally and he's got a wicked collection of SSR7 rides. If we are dealing with SSR7 then 1st is ALWAYS the gear you want to launch in, regardless of the ride. Indy is different in some aspects but I'll go and run there with my tunnel tunes and still hold up well at Indy.

I'm not taking sides here boys, two wrongs don't make a right so CUT IT!

Sorry about that Mafia. I will watch what i say. Probably need a little thicker skin if im going to stay on these forums. I tried to put this conversation to rest but he insisted on insulting my knowledge of cars and tuning. on GT5 i wouldn't mind but in real life i take it personal because i know what im talking about.

Lightning. U said to show you a 1500hp auto Supra so i did and you still kept on. plain and simple. They do exsist and they are faster than manuals. When i race in real life i use auto tran for 1/4 mil. I almost always win.

 

[JLawrence]

Guys... Come on...

Focus on my stupidly slow Veyron! Ya got a noob with no clue needin help here in the 'Drag Tuning Basics' thread!

I was thinking about the camber thing on the Veyron, and wondering would it make sense to run 7.0 front 3.0 rear camber seeing as only 70% of the power is to the rear?