Dream Car Championship - Official thread up - Sign Ups Open!

[LVracerGT]

First off, this OP will be updated later with pictures and more details about the series.

The Dream Car Championship will feature select race cars from GT5 that have been performance balanced. The car list is as follows:

Premiums:

Any Nissan GTR '08 GT500 - 542hp/1200kg
Corvette ZR-1 RM - 552hp/1200kg
Pagani Zonda R - 571hp/1200kg
Ford GT LM SpecII Race Car - 453hp/1200kg
GT by Citroen Race Car - 512hp/1200kg

Standards:

Viper GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car '00 - 501hp/1200kg
Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR Race Car '98 - 522hp/1200kg
Audi R8 LMS Race Car '09 - 562hp/1300kg
Nomad Diablo GT-1 '00 - 542hp/1200kg

Forced induction (turbos and superchargers) will not be allowed.

Schedule and Times:

Races will take place on Thursday nights. Room will open at 7:30pm EST for final practice with qualifying beginning at 8pm EST. Qualfiying will be an open track 15 minute session with a 5 minute break immediately followed by the race.

Race distances will be 60 miles with full course cautions. Racing hards and racing mediums will be allowed, however you may only run mediums for one stint no longer than 1/3 race distance. I.E. if the race is 30 laps you may only run the medium compound for 10 laps. You must pit at least once during the race.

Race schedule will be as follows:

Fuji Speedway GT - 22 laps
Idianapolis - 23 laps
Nurburgring GP F - 19 laps
Laguna Seca - 22 laps
Monza - 17 laps
Daytona - 17 laps
Cape Ring South - 30 laps
Suzuka - 17 laps

All tracks that offer variable weather will be used with settings set so there may be a possibility of a wet track.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Join up boys, going to be a good race!

 

[freshseth83]

McLaren will dominate this. I'd sign up but I already run two series with these types of cars.

 

[LVracerGT]

McLaren will dominate this. I'd sign up but I already run two series with these types of cars.

The McLaren is performance balanced with the rest of the cars. Had about half the car list on track at the same time tonight and it was really close, good racing.

 

[freshseth83]

With ballast added to it you can spread the weight to counter it's oversteer. Which is the main problem it has IMO. Then with the lower power you won't cook the tires. So it's the car to have IMO.

 

[LVracerGT]

With ballast added to it you can spread the weight to counter it's oversteer. Which is the main problem it has IMO. Then with the lower power you won't cook the tires. So it's the car to have IMO.

Well run with us and use it 👍

 

[james6653]

Wanna do some testing this morning?

 

[LVracerGT]

Wanna do some testing this morning?

I'm at work until 5:30 EST but I'm sure Mitch and I will be on tonight.

 

[freshseth83]

Depending on the day and time I might be interested. I'll have to find me another McLaren F1 though. I don't want to mess with the one I have now for my 90s LeMans series.

 

[Michelin]

I'm thinking in using the GT-R or the GT LM.

 

[freshseth83]

Are you allowing engine and turbo upgrades? That can throw a wrench in the equalization of the cars, unless you already tested them all with it.

 

[rallymorten]

If day and time are good to me I'll sign up 👍

 

[LVracerGT]

Are you allowing engine and turbo upgrades? That can throw a wrench in the equalization of the cars, unless you already tested them all with it.

I did my testing with engine builds, no turbo's. But we were aiming for a target time to performance balance on a certain track. So I don't know if turbo's would make that much difference.

 

[Kakarot]

I did my testing with engine builds, no turbo's. But we were aiming for a target time to performance balance on a certain track. So I don't know if turbo's would make that much difference.

They acually do with all the added torque.

 

[freshseth83]

Stg 3 turbo I feel adds top speed, definitely.

 

[LVracerGT]

Ok ill do some more testing and see how much difference it makes. If it's a big advantage I'll amend the rules for homologation.

 

[freshseth83]

Did running with two cars at Spa. Both on mediums, just one lap. Vette 2:13.4 (engine stage 3) Ford 2:13.9 (engine stage 3). Vette was 1.1 seconds faster through eua rogue and the first straight in sector 1. Through sector 2 the Ford GT came back and made up 1 second. I was only .1xx up from the Ford through sector 2. Then ended the lap better by .5xx second.

 

[LVracerGT]

Did running with two cars at Spa. Both on mediums, just one lap. Vette 2:13.4 (engine stage 3) Ford 2:13.9 (engine stage 3). Vette was 1.1 seconds faster through eua rogue and the first straight in sector 1. Through sector 2 the Ford GT came back and made up 1 second. I was only .1xx up from the Ford through sector 2. Then ended the lap better by .5xx second.

Yeah all the cars should be pretty equal. I did all the testing at the Nurburgring GP circuit with no suspension setups so it was just car performance. Not sure if you had setups on those or not but half a second is pretty balanced. Especially on a track that big

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Our test racing have been really fun, I suggest checking it out.

 

[LVracerGT]

I'm going to be doing more testing tonight. Looks like the Mclaren F1 may be out and the Mercedes CLK-GTR is in. Will be updating the OP later.

 

[freshseth83]

Any specific reason? Too fast? The CLK is probably as fast if not faster.

 

[LVracerGT]

Any specific reason? Too fast? The CLK is probably as fast if not faster.

Yeah, I'm balancing the weight for every car and the F1 can't make 1200 kg. New specs up soon.

 

[freshseth83]

What about the tires? Hards will now last the whole race. Maybe run just mediums? One stint on softs?

 

[LVracerGT]

Is the tire wear adjustment online? I haven't been able to test wear yet. I thought it was for offline endurance races...

 

[freshseth83]

Yeah, softs last twice as long easily.

 

[LVracerGT]

Hm, well there are a couple options then I guess. I hate softs, way too much grip and I wanted tire management to play somewhat of a role. Could require a mandatory pit stop and only allow hards, or require a pit stop and the use of mediums on one stint and require at least X amount of laps per tire?

Decisions...

On a lighter note, testing is almost completed. Just need to do one more session of hot laps to double check the performance balancing 👍

 

[freshseth83]

Hm, well there are a couple options then I guess. I hate softs, way too much grip and I wanted tire management to play somewhat of a role. Could require a mandatory pit stop and only allow hards, or require a pit stop and the use of mediums on one stint and require at least X amount of laps per tire?

Decisions...

On a lighter note, testing is almost completed. Just need to do one more session of hot laps to double check the performance balancing 👍

I hear that a lot, but I wonder why people actually believe that. Take a closer look at the lap times cars achieve IRL and what they achieve at a similar power/weight level on GT5. Super GT is a good example. There's no way you'll be getting 1:34's and 1:35's at Fuji on HARD tires at 510hp 1100kg. Yet that's the time the GT500's average in the race. If people try for realism they should consider real life lap times and how real the tire grip is in game. 👍

 

[LVracerGT]

You can't compare lap times in real life to GT5. Yes GT5 is (arguably) a simulation physics wise but the tracks are not exactly true to life and neither are the physics of the cars. iRacing is really the only exception to that because their tracks are laser scanned accurate to a square millimeter and the cars built in the sim are backed by manufacturer and team data, tire manufacturer data etc. And even then its not completely accurate.

Anyone who has driven on a slick tire (myself) can tell you how unrealistically grippy the softs are, even on soft slicks in real life.

 

[freshseth83]

I don't think your experience on some type of slick tire counts for all forms of racing tires. Especially when LMP type cars are capable of lap times in the mid 3:20's at LeMans for 20+ laps straight barring traffic. I donno why were not suppose to compare times to real life when GT5 does so itself. I'm not here to argue, but IMO people assume all tires act the same or something and soft tires are bad for every racing series. In actuality some racing series have very grippy tires that aren't extra low life. SuperGT and LeMans are just a couple of those real life series, backed by racing drivers comments and lap times.

 

[LVracerGT]

Well of course different slicks are different. But having driven Skip Barber open wheel cars on a pretty soft BFGoodrich compound I can tell you the softs in GT5 are too grippy.

You can try to replicate real life times on GT5 but the real world dimensions and physics will never be replicated in GT5.

Edit: Final details are being worked out as we speak. Sign up thread will be up soon.

EDIT 2: OP has been updated with new cars, specs, times, schedule, and rules.