Drifting questions?

[Lock2Lock]

Um I don't mean to be the one to sound all smart but Everything about drifting AND driving is all about the feel. What may be uncontrollable for one person has to much control for another. as an example, Zach says that you will be smoother on -2 Steering Sensitivity, and thats true. But I drift on +7 and I drift very smooth, but that is because i've practice so much with it that I have figured out HOW you get smooth with +7.

My Quote of the Day: Drift if you can, Drift if you can't. Drift is for fun, Expecially if you can't---Me

Agreed.

By the way now that I am on a wheel i just leave it at zero

 

[LPTuner]

Zach, I just want to add you for some reason

 

[Lock2Lock]

Zach, I just want to add you for some reason

Go right ahead haha

 

[LPTuner]

Whoa no way! ABS locks front tires? what happened to the anti-lock system?
Oh well I dont use it anyway. No braking needed if you time your entries

 

[Robbyelder]

Whoa no way! ABS locks front tires? what happened to the anti-lock system?
Oh well I dont use it anyway. No braking needed if you time your entries

Yeah if your just drifting but when your in a heated battle there may be times when you have to lock them up. I am really not sure about my answer to this question. I can use both ABS and no ABS only thing I can really tell about ABS is that you can better control the car better if you have to lock em up to avoid a collision and what I mean about locking them up is using the e-brake and the regular brakes at the same time.

 

[Gonales]

Whoa no way! ABS locks front tires? what happened to the anti-lock system?
Oh well I dont use it anyway. No braking needed if you time your entries

Actually, not having ABS locks them up And The wheels that would be locked depend on the brake balance
(Yes, i know you're being sarcastic, and this isnt your opinion, just reacting to it.)

 

[LPTuner]

But would'nt using both brakes and e-brake slow you down to much? Even if you have brake setup as an e-brake like Zach(I actually had alot of fun with a few of my cars with a braking e brake ) I usualy only have to either tap the brake or use the e brake to slow down and I do ok.

Edit: This is to Robby, not Nyo

 

[Robbyelder]

It doesnt slow you down enough to hurt you or it doesn't with my tune hence I usually use an MR. And I haven't lost any angle doing it either.

 

[Lock2Lock]

It doesnt slow you down enough to hurt you or it doesn't with my tune hence I usually use an MR. And I haven't lost any angle doing it either.

What do you mean?


I use the brakes pedal with

No ABS
BRAKE BALANCE
Front- 0
Rear- 7 - 9

It can make or break you if you are not careful

 

[Robbyelder]

What do you mean?


I use the brakes pedal with

No ABS
BRAKE BALANCE
Front- 0
Rear- 7 - 9

It can make or break you if you are not careful

Controller bro!

 

[Lock2Lock]

Controller bro!

Either on the controller or wheel doesn't matter which

 

[BenBurroughs]

On the topic of whether or not to use ABS, I would recommend trying to learn with it off. Many "proper" drift lobbies with appropriate restrictions and track settings have ABS prohibited and it's nice to be able to cope with this early on. For learning, I also don't recommend using practice or arcade modes simply because the physics are surprisingly different from lobby physics. Use the "ghost trick" to avoid being a nuisance if you feel you must, but I think most people in said "proper" lobbies will be fairly accepting if you make your case for learning as you join...I would. Just don't feel you must learn to drift, if it isn't fun you shouldn't do it.

 

[LPTuner]

I find that timing my braking without ABS on than flooring the gas for a second in the direction of the turn works well. You have to time it but it slows you down AND initiats your drift all in one if you can do it.

 

[Lock2Lock]

For learning, I also don't recommend using practice or arcade modes simply because the physics are surprisingly different from lobby physics.

Don't know if you know this yet but... Latest update made online physics the same as the physics offline. This is a update I have been waiting for two years. Offline physics have always been superior than online

 

[LPTuner]

-Looks up at RSM's post- And thus the cat's run away and the wolves come to play. Boy oh boy will we see a bunch of people not tuning online since they have the same offline xD I think I'll still tune online just because it's a bit more fun.

 

[Lock2Lock]

-Looks up at RSM's post- And thus the cat's run away and the wolves come to play. Boy oh boy will we see a bunch of people not tuning online since they have the same offline xD I think I'll still tune online just because it's a bit more fun.

I have always tuned offline hahaha. That's why i laughed at everyone saying "now i have to tune all my cars for racing/drifting again thanks a lot PD". Hahahahahahaha it is still funny

 

[LPTuner]

It's even funnier when you do what I do. Go into a lobby and out tandem someone, make a clean overtake. When they ask "Hey nice tune, what did you do?" say this "lol, what tune? this is a stock car with only a supercharger/turbocharger stage 2, I havent done ANYTHING to this car. Why, did it seem faster than you by some chance? Couldn't tell, I saw your cars color but I didn't get a good look." and if you REALLY wanna mess with them, add in "hey one sec, wait where you are, I don't mind turning around halfway through to see a fellow drifters car." You have NO idea how many people hate me for it.

 

[Drift_Monkey]

Drive with no aids, and no ABS. I cannot stress how many drifters limit themselves severely by using ABS. Threshold braking, trail braking, and beyond threshold braking are vital and necessary to moving beyond a novice drifter, and learning to drive with ABS will only lengthen the time it takes for you to improve. Never slam the brake pedal without knowing exactly how much is necessary to use at a given point for what you want to do. Get good at this, and you won't need an E-brake, though I understand the E-brake's use when learning to drift.

ABS is completely up to the driver. Using a wheel braking suddenly in a tandem while ABS is off WILL cause problems. Sure on a controller you don't feel the loss of traction as bad as the wheel. Your steering becomes loose and to regain the traction you have to turn the wheel and search for the grip. Not something easy nor is it necessary.

It confuses me when people think that drifting shouldn't have ABS and set up their rooms to disallow it. It seems sometimes that it's a way of them saying, "I can do it without ABS so I'm on a higher skill level".

 

[Lock2Lock]

ABS is completely up to the driver. Using a wheel braking suddenly in a tandem while ABS is off WILL cause problems. Sure on a controller you don't feel the loss of traction as bad as the wheel. Your steering becomes loose and to regain the traction you have to turn the wheel and search for the grip. Not something easy nor is it necessary.

It confuses me when people think that drifting shouldn't have ABS and set up their rooms to disallow it. It seems sometimes that it's a way of them saying, "I can do it without ABS so I'm on a higher skill level".

Not always the case homie. It does take experience to drift/race/drive period with ABS not necessarily higher skill though. Neither is it necessary. But i don't use ABS period in GT5 because ABS is unrealistic in GT5 (it has been proven that there are active stability management features in ABS in GT5). If i want the closest to real life I use no ABS with brake balance at 0 on both ends.

 

[carfanatic45]

I am having trouble pulling out a drift. I can do one when I don't mean to but when I mean to, I fail miserably. I know the standard issue setup and tire choice but I just can't seem to pull a drift. The only thing I've ever done relating to drifting is correcting myself if I happen to get a little tail happy while racing.

 

[Drift_Monkey]

fight the wheel dont let it transition when it wants

Edit: When it wants to transition, hold onto it for a little longer and see what happens. Also keep in mind of what you were doing when you used the controller and the reason why you would turn the joystick left or right. Think of the wheel as a big joystick... Make your movements fast and as you get more accustomed to what you should do, then you learn to get smoother.

 

[LPTuner]

It's mostly just practice. Tuning is trial and error. Going to someone and asking for a tune is not bringing you to the level of your skills. You have to FEEL the car and adjust the settings till you think it feels like an extension of yourself. Unless you don't try you can feel the car on a DS3 also. I use the D-pad but yet I can still "feel" (not really, I don't feel any vibrations but for some reason I can get into a state of thinking I can feel it.) Wether it's tugging, pulling, braking too hard, kicking the rear end JUST far enough that someone can slip through. If you can feel the car on a DS3, than I'm sure you will be able to pick up all the little things when you use a wheel.

Edit: This is my opinion btw. Im not telling you that if you can't feel the car on a DS3 than you can't on a wheel.

 

[GhostZ]

ABS is completely up to the driver. Using a wheel braking suddenly in a tandem while ABS is off WILL cause problems. Sure on a controller you don't feel the loss of traction as bad as the wheel. Your steering becomes loose and to regain the traction you have to turn the wheel and search for the grip. Not something easy nor is it necessary.

It confuses me when people think that drifting shouldn't have ABS and set up their rooms to disallow it. It seems sometimes that it's a way of them saying, "I can do it without ABS so I'm on a higher skill level".

The trade off for that small advantage is an inability to lock the front wheels or destabilize the car without lateral movement under braking, as well as suffering from reduced braking force under full braking (even with ABS, most cars brake best at about 7/8ths or so, closer to the threshold) two very important techniques that I use too frequently, to many good effects, to go without for the benefit of ABS.

I don't necessarily say that ABS is bad, but that comparing the advantages of techniques you can learn without it to its small benefits, it's not worth the trade off. Being a better driver who is more in control of what the car can do can make up for just about anything ABS will do.

 

[Drift_Monkey]

The trade off for that small advantage is an inability to lock the front wheels or destabilize the car without lateral movement under braking, as well as suffering from reduced braking force under full braking (even with ABS, most cars brake best at about 7/8ths or so, closer to the threshold) two very important techniques that I use too frequently, to many good effects, to go without for the benefit of ABS.

I don't necessarily say that ABS is bad, but that comparing the advantages of techniques you can learn without it to its small benefits, it's not worth the trade off. Being a better driver who is more in control of what the car can do can make up for just about anything ABS will do.

The lack of real life G-Forces make braking without ABS tricky. You can try as many techniques as you want but in real life it's different. The threshold where the brakes begin to lock is easy to feel when driving a car but on GT5 you have to trust your eyes and hands most of the time.

 

[GhostZ]

The lack of real life G-Forces make braking without ABS tricky. You can try as many techniques as you want but in real life it's different. The threshold where the brakes begin to lock is easy to feel when driving a car but on GT5 you have to trust your eyes and hands most of the time.

Tricky is not impossible. I tell by rates that the speedometer drops, plain and simple, and if that isn't precise enough, I do tests in-game to get a better feel for how my actions translate to the screen. Particularly braking distance tests. I know where optimal braking for a speed (or speed range) is and I know where the wheels will lock on my cars. The more I practice that, the better I get at braking well in any car, even one I haven't tuned. There are G-forces in-game, but you have to be aware of how your body rolls forward under braking to see them, since there isn't a readily available F/R G meter.

This analysis, done at a split second by a driver, can be considered what is called driving instinct, or the ability for the brain to recognize the patterns in the braking and learn from it, even with a minimal amount of data coming back from the game. I don't think it is so much a 'feel' as it is a very calculating unconscious analysis. If you view things that way, stuff like ABS only gets in the way.

Promoting the use of ABS is supporting a lack of feedback and control and a lack of desire to build this braking skill, and I feel that it is vital to learn, and ABS only acts as a crutch to mastering those skills.

 

[LPTuner]

What about competition scoring(I think this relates as a drifting question)? Do they score by just angle and speed or do they count other things like closeness to th inner/outer wall or the person your following? or entry/exit angle