Dynamic statistics about the GT3 WRS (ended week 106)

[TheWizard]

would it restart on gt4, or will the gt3 and 4 be combined...

If I can give my 2 (Euro)cents...
Let's start from scratch
New WRS, new leaderboard. Everybody starts from 0.

I always thought that importing a savegame from an old game into a new one just to get an initial boost is a cheap way to play
So, let's apply this to GT4 WRS as well 👍

And yes, I am aware that I only have 20 points, and I am in the middle, and for me those 20 points won't be a big loss, while others will be losing a way bigger amount.
But I think it would be fair if everybody was given the same opportunities from the start.

Plus, if the people that are currently leading are so worried about losing their 'Podium Status' - I am sure that if you drove good in GT3, you are going to drive good in GT4 as well - so in other words, it won't take you long to be up there at the top again

The Wizard.

 

[Sphinx]

If I can give my 2 (Euro)cents...
Let's start from scratch
New WRS, new leaderboard. Everybody starts from 0.

I always thought that importing a savegame from an old game into a new one just to get an initial boost is a cheap way to play
So, let's apply this to GT4 WRS as well 👍

And yes, I am aware that I only have 20 points, and I am in the middle, and for me those 20 points won't be a big loss, while others will be losing a way bigger amount.
But I think it would be fair if everybody was given the same opportunities from the start.

Plus, if the people that are currently leading are so worried about losing their 'Podium Status' - I am sure that if you drove good in GT3, you are going to drive good in GT4 as well - so in other words, it won't take you long to be up there at the top again

The Wizard.

If you want to give everybody "the same opportunities from the start." then that will mean you want GT4 to be introduced into the WRS when everyone has the game, PAL users for example. yes/no?

I don't like the idea of having the points wiped out, they are WRS points, not GT3 or GT4 points.

 

[TheWizard]

If you want to give everybody "the same opportunities from the start." then that will mean you want GT4 to be introduced into the WRS when everyone has the game, PAL users for example. yes/no?

I don't like the idea of having the points wiped out, they are WRS points, not GT3 or GT4 points.

Of course, we all need to wait until the PAL users get their copy of GT4 as well, as it is only fair that everybody starts at the same time.

I knew poeple that are there at the top wouldn't agree
But, I think GT3 WRS and GT4 WRS should be two entirely different races. When Schumacher wins his Formula 1 Championship, do his points carry over to the next year, just because Formula 1 points are Formula 1 points?

Also, I have been part of GT3 WRS for only a few weeks, and I just thought it would be cool if I could say, at least for GT4, I was there from Year 0 of the competition and we all started from scratch, like a completely different race should be.

Plus, as I said in my previous post, if Hugo Boss, Tannis, Small_Fryz, Kent, etc. were good in GT3, they will be good in GT4 as well. It will only take them a few weeks, and then they will be in the top 5 again, just like they are now.

Plus, only the points from the latest seven best weeks are recorded in the leaderboard - if the points were cumulative and counted from week 1, then I could see your concern, Sphinx - everybody would lose everything they worked for from the day the joined. But in this case, only the points from the latest seven weeks get deleted.

So this is all the difference it's going to make:
The top 10 players will be a few weeks behind, at the most, if we restart from scratch.

The Wizard.

 

[Sphinx]

Of course, we all need to wait until the PAL users get their copy of GT4 as well, as it is only fair that everybody starts at the same time.

I knew poeple that are there at the top wouldn't agree
But, I think GT3 WRS and GT4 WRS should be two entirely different races. When Schumacher wins his Formula 1 Championship, do his points carry over to the next year, just because Formula 1 points are Formula 1 points?

Also, I have been part of GT3 WRS for only a few weeks, and I just thought it would be cool if I could say, at least for GT4, I was there from Year 0 of the competition and we all started from scratch, like a completely different race should be.

Plus, as I said in my previous post, if Hugo Boss, Tannis, Small_Fryz, Kent, etc. were good in GT3, they will be good in GT4 as well. It will only take them a few weeks, and then they will be in the top 5 again, just like they are now.

Plus, only the points from the latest seven best weeks are recorded in the leaderboard - if the points were cumulative and counted from week 1, then I could see your concern, Sphinx - everybody would lose everything they worked for from the day the joined. But in this case, only the points from the latest seven weeks get deleted.

So this is all the difference it's going to make:
The top 10 players will be a few weeks behind, at the most, if we restart from scratch.

The Wizard.

As you can see by the latest WRS stats I am nowhere near the top, and as yet no one from the top has given their opinion on this idea, so I’m not sure how you already know that they don’t agree with it

The reasons why I don’t like this idea are two fold. Firstly, I thought these stats were ”Dynamic statistics about the WRS” as this very thread suggests by its naming. It is dynamic in nature and continuous throughout the life span of the WRS. I don’t think it matters one bit that we are about to embark into the latest version of the game, why complicate things just for the sake of being able to say ” I was there from Year 0 of the competition and we all started from scratch” I’m sorry but you’re two years too late, its already happened and that chance has gone. Is this a ‘status’ thing? I know many here value status highly such as post count and join date etc but cmon, isn’t being able to say you were here at some point enough?

Lastly, I simply don’t like the idea of wiping out the efforts of others. You say it’s only 7/8 weeks or so but the effort has been made and should be recognised as such by rewarding those who have made the effort instead of belittling and casting them aside as if they mean nothing anymore.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Id like to keep the points, like you said wizard its only 7 - 8 weeks anyway. Im not just saying this because im 3rd, but like sphinx says, people who try hard to get top spots which is normally 500km+ at the very least per week should be regonised. As i said before its only 7-8 weeks before its totally gt4, you muss well just leave it the way it is.

EDIT, ive been trying very hard in WRS since week 99, I really love to see my name up with greats such as Tannis, Hugo Boss and Kent

 

[TheWizard]

As you can see by the latest WRS stats I am nowhere near the top, and as yet no one from the top has given their opinion on this idea, so I’m not sure how you already know that they don’t agree with it

Yeah, I noticed you were not up there I just assumed you were near the top because you did very good in WRS 104 - heck, you won it 👍

Lastly, I simply don’t like the idea of wiping out the efforts of others. You say it’s only 7/8 weeks or so but the effort has been made and should be recognised as such by rewarding those who have made the effort instead of belittling and casting them aside as if they mean nothing anymore.

I never meant to belittle anybody - as I said multiple times, if they deserve to be in the top 10 in GT3 WRS, they will (eventually) end up in the top 10 in GT4 as well.

Yes, it's a status thing, as you defined it

I know I am 2 years late, but I have only found this place not even 2 months ago, so it's not like I chose to be 2 years late

Please note that I never meant to disrespect anybody, I was just stating my opinion, as I am sure, you are. I just wouldn't like for you to take what I was saying as a personal attack, or similar.

No hard feelings - I am always open for other people's opinions 👍

I think if flat-out is the one that will ultimately decide on this matter - starting a new leaderboard, from scratch, or continuing the current one - he should put a poll at the beginning of this thread, so that people can give their vote on the matter.

We belong to, after all, a democracy
I think that would be the best way on deciding how to proceed.

Either way, I will still be here from the beginning of GT4 WRS, whether it will be Year 0 or Year 3.

The Wizard.

 

[Sjaak]

Wizard,cut the bull..

There is no beginning of a new life form just a new game with a new name,GT4.

Please continue what we have started.Why make things complicated.
These stats have nothing to do with the name of the game,just performance.

 

[Tedehur]

would it restart on gt4, or will the gt3 and 4 be combined like week 99 - 106, 106 being gt4 and other weeks being gt3, or will it start as 106 only.

The stats are based on the week's ranking, so I don't see any reason to discontinue them. I've always been planning to keep the 8 past weeks calculation method.
That is, unless everybody else wants all scores to be reset to zero and a new GT4 start.

 

[Sphinx]

Yeah, I noticed you were not up there I just assumed you were near the top because you did very good in WRS 104 - heck, you won it 👍

I could be near the top if I didn't lack the effort and consistancy that is required to be there

I never meant to belittle anybody

You haven't so no worries. 👍 There is nothing wrong with having an idea

Please note that I never meant to disrespect anybody, I was just stating my opinion, as I am sure, you are. I just wouldn't like for you to take what I was saying as a personal attack, or similar.

No hard feelings - I am always open for other people's opinions 👍

No offence taken in any way 👍 You had an idea that is worthy of discussion and you shared it with us. Thanks

Either way, I will still be here from the beginning of GT4 WRS, whether it will be Year 0 or Year 3.

Exactly

 

[TheWizard]

Since I am open-minded (like Sphinx is - thank you for the beautiful reply 👍 ) (an unlike sjaak68 - there was really no reason to reply like that, when all I was doing was stating and sharing an idea of mine with the rest of you) I will definitely accept whatever everybody decides on. Since you all have been here longer than me, you probably know what's right and how things should be handled.

Now that I think about it with a clearer head - earlier I only wanted the new stats for the new status, ahahah - I see that continuing the tradition of the original idea has a bigger and deeper importance, than being able to say 'I was here from the very beginning'.

I know now, because to me - since I have been here for 4-5 weeks - it would not make any difference, but to people that have been here for months/years, then it would be a different story.

No point in changing this just to please the last one arrived.
Seriously, let's just keep it the way it is 👍

The Wizard.

 

[Tedehur]

I've just read carefully everything that has been written here over the week-end, and I confirm that the dynamic stats will remain based on the same principle and the existing history will still be considered. (I'm the one who keeps the Excel file anyway )

 

[Sjaak]

I think if flat-out is the one that will ultimately decide on this matter - starting a new leaderboard, from scratch, or continuing the current one - he should put a poll at the beginning of this thread, so that people can give their vote on the matter.

We belong to, after all, a democracy
I think that would be the best way on deciding how to proceed.

flat-out does the leaderboard in his spare free time. So when someone is telling him to do a poll about some changes because that someone wants to push a idea
through,is the cause of my "not so nice" reaction.

Since I am open minded (like Sphinx is - thank you for the beautiful reply 👍 ) (an unlike sjaak68 - there was really no reason to reply like that, when all I was doing was stating and sharing an idea of mine with the rest of you)

The Wizard.

I want to apologize for my rude behavior.
No hard feelings.

BTW I couldn't resist,I confess,I'm bad.

edit.corrected

 

[TheWizard]

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Heineken rulez!

Sorry for the semi-spam - just some misunderstandment between me and sjaak68, he will understand.

The Wizard.

 

[Sjaak]

It was just a joke.
And everybody is entitled for their opinion here.
I didn't say it can't.

 

[TheWizard]

It was just a joke.
And everybody is entitled for their opinion here.
I didn't say it can't.

I am sorry as well, sjaak68 👍
I am going to delete all the stupid stuff I wrote out of anger in my previous post - I just went blind when I saw how you called me You can call me pretty much anything, except for that

Here, have my favorite beer and let's celebrate
Which by the way is Heineken and it's from your country

Got to go to Amsterdam, one of these days... I swear!

The Wizard.

 

[Tedehur]

No update yet, since results of week 105 are still unpublished.
Can't make anything out of the past 8 weeks results when I only know 7 of them
If Kent doesn't show up in the 2/3 days to come, I'll probably ignore week 105 and post a new board featuring weeks 98 to 104 + week 106.

Edit :
I'll upload 'tentative results' in the end of the week-end, where week 105 will be temporarily ignored.
I'll also consider Famine's warm up hotlaps as weeks 107, 108... under the next official WRS race is posted (that is when Kent will be back).

 

[Tedehur]

Tentative board is uploaded on the first post of this thread.
All the arguing concerning what to do with the stats over the past weeks now turns out useless : Kent being still off-line there's no WRS ATM.
That gives us some time to practice GT4 and get used to it

 

[Small_Fryz]

thanks flat out, it seems in 1st w00t.

Getting used to it I am, 57 Gold and counting.

 

[TheWizard]

Nice 👍
I moved from 30th place to 12th

Granted, not many people competed in WRS 106, so it was easy to finish 6th and get 14 points all at once

I hope Kent fixes his computer soon, it's time for some GT4 WRS

The Wizard.

 

[Sphinx]

What are the chances of the GT4 unofficial WRS event being added to the stats? I'm asking because although I have a clean save, it's not that great due to time spent on it and I would really like to spend my spare time on the game rather than this event if I know it won't be included.

 

[Tedehur]

What are the chances of the GT4 unofficial WRS event being added to the stats? I'm asking because although I have a clean save, it's not that great due to time spent on it and I would really like to spend my spare time on the game rather than this event if I know it won't be included.

I eventually accepted the idea that the WRS could stand by for a while.
Famine named his race "unofficial" : so be it, it won't be included in the stats.

The stats are meant to be WRS stats, so they should only take WRS official races into account. As long as Kent stays offline, the stats will remain as they are now.

 

[bbq0801]

Woo hoo!! im tied with Kent! Its great to be back!

 

[Tedehur]

These GT3 WRS events are far away in the past now and I was thinking at resetting all points for GT4 WRS week 1.
I suspect that people on the top spots will find this a bad idea, but I think it'll please all the other racers.
I'm also planning to change the points system, so that more than 18 drivers can score points each week.
Any comment, reaction or alternate suggestion anyone ?

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

These GT3 WRS events are far away in the past now and I was thinking at resetting all points for GT4 WRS week 1.
I suspect that people on the top spots will find this a bad idea, but I think it'll please all the other racers.
I'm also planning to change the points system, so that more than 18 drivers can score points each week.
Any comment, reaction or alternate suggestion anyone ?

Great idea about resetting points and the pooints system 👍


Cheers,

 

[Sphinx]

These GT3 WRS events are far away in the past now and I was thinking at resetting all points for GT4 WRS week 1.
I suspect that people on the top spots will find this a bad idea, but I think it'll please all the other racers.
I'm also planning to change the points system, so that more than 18 drivers can score points each week.
Any comment, reaction or alternate suggestion anyone ?

I thought this was settled, but if you've changed your mind then fine.

A new driver wins this week and all of a sudden becomes the top driver in the WRS stats. Why can't they work hard for it like everyone else had to in the past?

Edit:
I've no complaints about adjusting the points system

 

[TheWizard]

These GT3 WRS events are far away in the past now and I was thinking at resetting all points for GT4 WRS week 1.

So my idea wasn't too bad, after all

New WRS, new Leaderboards 👍
Good job, flat-out

The Wizard.

 

[Tedehur]

I thought this was settled, but if you've changed your mind then fine.

A new driver wins this week and all of a sudden becomes the top driver in the WRS stats. Why can't they work hard for it like everyone else had to in the past?

Edit:
I've no complaints about adjusting the points system

I'm fully aware of this drawback Jerry, and I understand your concern.
But I can't change the point system and keep the current scores : they won't match any more. Let's imagine that the winner now gets 50 points, would it mean that winning in the GT3 WRS was only half as worth as winning now ?

As for the new driver who would win this week, he would indeed be the WRS top driver, but he'll have to work hard to stay there

I'll start to think at any solution to change the point system and keep the current scores, if you have any idea about how this should be done, just PM me.

 

[Sphinx]

Do whatever you need to do 👍

You asked for comments/reactions so I posted my opinion on the idea.

How about keeping the points system the same but have stats for each div. I know what would be a lot more work on your part and I admit I wouldn't fancy doing it, but it would make it more competitive/fun for those drivers who are closely matched in each div and give the lower div's something more tangible to aim for instead of a div 3 driver trying to compete with a div 1 driver.

I posted here because it would be rude to follow up on my first comments via PM.

 

[Sphinx]

So my idea wasn't too bad, after all

The Wizard.

No. Your idea sucks

 

[TheWizard]

No. Your idea sucks

How about keeping the points system the same but have stats for each div. I know what would be a lot more work on your part and I admit I wouldn't fancy doing it, but it would make it more competitive/fun for those drivers who are closely matched in each div and give the lower div's something more tangible to aim for instead of a div 3 driver trying to compete with a div 1 driver.

That would be something interesting to consider, if I may add my opinion too, flat-out.
Since I am probably going to be 'stuck' in Division 2 for the rest of my days, it would be a nice improvement to have in your Leaderboards. Maybe you could do it in Excel (or other spreadsheet software) where you just copy and paste the list of the current drivers made by Kent and use 3 different colors to distinguish each division. Then, as an example, you could give x, y and z amounts of points to each division winner and progressively lesser amounts to the following racers (up to however many you see fit, depending on the initial amounts given to the respective 1st place racers of each division).

It would be a nice idea to think about if the starting amounts were different for each division, such that being in Division 1 has still its priviledges over being in Division 2, and similarly for Division 2 over Divison 3 (else the system of having three different divisions would be completely useless, if they were all worth the same pointwise).

Example:
1st Place Division 1 = 50 pts
1st Place Division 2 = 40 pts
1st Place Division 3 = 30 pts

And then scale the rest of the racers within each division accordingly.

Just a thought.

EDIT: I just thought, though, that if this was implemented, then you would need a way of keeping track of who gets 'promoted' (or 'demoted') to which Division and assign him/her to the correct color, carrying all his/her current points obtained in his/her previous Division.

The Wizard.