Erdogan the Dictator.

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SestoScudo
To be honest Im not a Turkish citizen. I live in Australia but my parents are big time erdogan supporters especially my father.

At times we actually do clash when it comes talking about erdogan dislikes how I dont support him.

People supporting erdogan due to numerous factors especially the ones living abroad

-his a strong leader
-going to make turkey great again
-promotes himself as a man of the people
-credits himself for strong economic growth
- most turks who support erdogan seem to attach themselves to turkey more than their host country
-erdogan dominated turkish media seems to give him a positive image abroad

For some who live abroad many dream of coming back to Turkey.
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Thanks for the answer.

Belgian turks often vote for socialists who are all but the properties you describe do you or you family have an idea why that may be?

And no they don't have to, but if they want to go back to turkey why don't they do so?



And a more general question for anyone to answer:
What is it about strong leaders (re7ad assholes) that people like?

Edit: also why don't they oppose his crackdown on the media and opposition. And how do they talk away his way of moving closer to a dictatorial regime?
 
He is really trying to Milk the New Zealand Mosque incident to fuel some Religious Nationalism, nationalists really do have politics in easy mode when the public is fully consuming the coolaid.
 
mustafur
He is really trying to Milk the New Zealand Mosque incident to fuel some Religious Nationalism, nationalists really do have politics in easy mode when the public is fully consuming the coolaid.
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Elections are coming up. The killer also mentioned erdogan to be killed.

This will now lead to more support for him.

Erdogan is milking it for what it is worth.

New Zealand terrorist fueled even more nationalist sentiment in Turkey. Erdogan is also allied with the Nationalists.
 
Local Elections: Ruling APK alliance set to lose Istanbul and Ankara

Although APK is set to win a slight majority of all local elections (around 51%), Erdogan is already crying foul; the results in the two major metropolises of Istanbul and Ankara are seen as a litmus test on Erdogan as President. It would also be a double setback as Erdogan was formerly Mayor of Istanbul and the city has been controlled by his parties since his first mayoral election in 1994.
 
At least he hasn't Dismantled the Ability to vote for others yet, I'm sure with more time he would push for it though.
 
as if Merkel or Macron, who use any means necessary against opposition are any better.
And i doubt turkish cops are knocking on doors over tweets like in the UK.

Erdogan is just a distraction from their own behaviour.
 
Talk about shooting yourself in the hoof. Perhaps the Turks now see that having a religious nutcase running your country isn't the way into the future.

But seeing what the fondler of goats is capable of in Turkey, I can see him faking another coup to get rid of the last bits of opposition.
 
Dennisch
Talk about shooting yourself in the hoof. Perhaps the Turks now see that having a religious nutcase running your country isn't the way into the future.

But seeing what the fondler of goats is capable of in Turkey, I can see him faking another coup to get rid of the last bits of opposition.
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You honestly believe the coup is fake sorry to say you dont know anything about what happened or anything about Turkish politics.
 
Not actually about Erdogan but very related to Turkey:


Genocide Denial is terrible, but when you have a Genocide that was the inspiration for the Nazi one that is still being denied by the country in which it happened is insane.

And we are allied to them, Turkey Denies this, imagine if the current German Government denied the Holocaust it's unthinkable, but Turkey Denies this and forces the West to deny it as well, it's disgusting.

Watch the Video above if your not familiar with it.

Countries/Territories in Green Recognize the Genocide.
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I like how Scotland, Wales and Ireland all acknowledge this atrocity but England officially denies it. :rolleyes:
 
UKMikey
I like how Scotland, Wales and Ireland all acknowledge this atrocity but England officially denies it. :rolleyes:
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England has no separate government to do so. It would indicate that the British government doesn't recognise it though; either Westminster does it ticking all four home nations boxes or Holyrood, Stormont and the Senedd do it each for themselves. England can't.

I'm more surprised that the Republic of Ireland doesn't recognise it.
 
Alot of cases it's the territories but not the country, in America every state apart from Mississippi Recognises it, but you know right away the US is not going to recognise it.

In Australia it's the same thing, My state NSW and South Australia Recognise it, but the country officially doesn't.
 
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mustafur
Not actually about Erdogan but very related to Turkey:


Genocide Denial is terrible, but when you have a Genocide that was the inspiration for the Nazi one that is still being denied by the country in which it happened is insane.

And we are allied to them, Turkey Denies this, imagine if the current German Government denied the Holocaust it's unthinkable, but Turkey Denies this and forces the West to deny it as well, it's disgusting.

Watch the Video above if your not familiar with it.

Countries/Territories in Green Recognize the Genocide.
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A youtuber who barely knows anything about those complex events.

I think Turkey is more in the right here than armenia which uses blackmail.
 
SestoScudo
You honestly think armenians care about reparations or an apology?? They want land nothing else from Turkey.
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I Honestly think Turkeys denial of Millions of people dying at their hands disgusting and your defence of it the same.
 
mustafur
I Honestly think Turkeys denial of Millions of people dying at their hands disgusting and your defence of it the same.
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Denial of millions a number inflated by the same very armenians to blackmail Turkey just to get a chunk of land sorry you cant guilt trip me when you have historians like Bernard Lewis and Justin mcarthy that studied the Ottoman Empore especially Justin Mcarthy during its decline and collapse than some youtuber.

Casualty numbers of armenians was put at 250,000 gradually rose up.

Armenians can constantly cry about the victim while they occupy Azerbaijani lands and committed a ethnic cleansing there.

Somehow if this stuff is mentioned it gets shot down because the armenians are so innocent.
 
SestoScudo
Denial of millions a number inflated by the same very armenians to blackmail Turkey just to get a chunk of land sorry you cant guilt trip me when you have historians like Bernard Lewis and Justin mcarthy that studied the Ottoman Empore especially Justin Mcarthy during its decline and collapse than some youtuber.

Casualty numbers of armenians was put at 250,000 gradually rose up.

Armenians can constantly cry about the victim while they occupy Azerbaijani lands and committed a ethnic cleansing there.

Somehow if this stuff is mentioned it gets shot down because the armenians are so innocent.
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Are you going to post some sources?
 






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Anatolia was basically in a civil war between the Turks, Greeks and the Armenians. As their empire collapsed the Turks fought for survival in what they believed they will lose their homeland for good.

Once again people dont know the complex events surrounding the issue.

Was it massacres and ethnic cleansing done by both sides yes but a genocide it is not because it was a war.
 
SestoScudo






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Anatolia was basically in a civil war between the Turks, Greeks and the Armenians. As their empire collapsed the Turks fought for survival in what they believed they will lose their homeland for good.

Once again people dont know the complex events surrounding the issue.

Was it massacres and ethnic cleansing done by both sides yes but a genocide it is not because it was a war.
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How is it a Civil war if the Ottoman Turks doing the Killing are the Official Government, and it wasn't the First time they had singled out the Armenians.

They also made up 12.8 Million to the Armenians 2.4 , the Turks fighting for their Survival Argument is completely Flawed when they are the vast Majority, with all the Military and Government Power, there is a very strong reason why the death Toll was extremely one sided.

If a Small Group of People defend a Large defenceless Minority Population from extinction does that dispute the existence Genocide?

I Think not.

I'm no historian but there is substantial Evidence against the Ottoman Turks on this.
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Defenceless??? You do realise they teamed up with the Russians allowed the Russians to invade Anatolia.

By the way my fathers family side fought in the Caucasus front in ww1 where most got their supply lines sabotaged or ambushed by armenian militias fighting the Russians.

By the way Justin Mcarthy specialies in the late Ottoman period. Telegram was to deport armenians from the warzone to somewhere they wont join up with the Russians.

I think I posted my proofs already that it was not a genocide but a civil war. By the way good on the Turks for defending their homelands from invaders when their empire was collapsing.

Armenians wanted to build a greater armenia by ethnically cleansing Turks that were living in Anatolia because they seen the success of the Balkan countries by driving out the Turks and Muslims and the Armenians were inspired to replicate this success in Anatolia.

Fact of the reason why the armenians cry about this genocide and want Turkey punished because they want Land that was promised to them by the Allies of WW1 which they lost in the Turkish independance war.

Let me guess that youtuber is telling the truth who barely even knows the event properly itself and paints a black and white topic.

Greeks and the Armenians living in Anatolia for centuries does not count as a legitimate argument when you had various peoples, empires and civilisations that ruled Anatolia especially the Ancient Anatolians like the Hititites which disappeared.

The Turks lived in Anatolia ever since 1071 which is close to a millenium them living there for centuries does not make them outsiders like the greeks and armenians love to claim since they keep on saying that the Turks need to be kicked out of Anatolia by this logic Europeans should be kicked out of The USA, Canada and Australia???

Armenian lobby is better off spending that money in helping armenia rather than spending it on a lost cause that to gain long lost lands back which they lost fair and square.
 

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