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[RamoSapiens]

I got myself a Calsonic just incase if I get to race you guys at some point.


MadMax

Hi.I´m also MadMax but ´72.People here calls me eppe or Ramo. Welcome to Team Finland. Next Race after a week, but we practice and qualify before that. Just go to varikkosuora,org

 

[andy63]

todays race wasnt official right??

 

[RamoSapiens]

todays race wasnt official right??

Nope. Hope U got better luck next week.

Ill post the results tomorrow, but i think Finland
won this 1.👍

 

[Denilson]

Lag sucks. Went to pit, got half way down the pitlane before GT5 decided it didn't really want me in the pitlane, actually. So it dumped me on the exit of the chicane instead, because I really wanted to try the pit lane entry for a second time, yep.

Very annoying, because I had just caught a pack of Johnkiller/Pagi/Schumi/etc. - was a battle for 3rd place - and I decided to pit (about 2-3 laps earlier than I would have done), to get some fresh tyres, put in some quick laps and try and jump that group as they were all holding each other up. Ended up instead dropping 2-3 places and having to make up ground all over again.

I think that eppe00 is running the race in "very high"... Maybee that's why people have trouble with lag. But you actually lagged A LOT a few days ago in my lounge as well..

 

[Andil]

I think that eppe00 is running the race in "very high"... Maybee that's why people have trouble with lag. But you actually lagged A LOT a few days ago in my lounge as well..

Yeah, I think it is my connection more than eppe's - not being very fast tonight, but just annoying that it happened, annoying bug or whatever

 

[RamoSapiens]

I think that eppe00 is running the race in "very high"... Maybee that's why people have trouble with lag. But you actually lagged A LOT a few days ago in my lounge as well..

I read that driving with Race Quality set to Very High actually is the best setting against lagging.

And now when were racing in Open Lounge(UPnP), its
up to everybodys connection, not just mine..I´m just a part of it like everybody else.

Im not a guru about connections but so the boys
told me.

The most important is the ping. So You should all make the pingtest to the other countries
in this series.

If its under 80mS it should be quite good, the lower the better.

http://www.pingtest.net/

I got myself 51mS from Helsinki to Manchester

 

[Denilson]

 

[RamoSapiens]

Yeah, Denilson. Think You must have the best connection of us
all. Please Guys, take the test, specially You, who had problems
last night.

Results up soon. Just drinking my morning coffee first 👍

 

[RamoSapiens]

BTW. Schumi, what happened on the last lap?

 

[Lambolover]

I think I will have a go at the ping test later. Good racing guys, although I was quite dissapointed.
In the race situation it was almost like the track conditions changed. The grip level seemed different for me and I was unable to get close to to good laptimes which meant that I started to push too much and made some mistakes.
Will be braking the Xanavia in for next weeks proper race 👍

 

[RamoSapiens]

OFFICIAL RESULTS : PRE-RACE 2

  GT5    ***Nordic GT500 Championship***   Pre-Race 2 at Suzuka 18+1 laps  10.2.2011


   Driver      Nat     Q-Time   Q-Pos    Race Time    Gap        Fastest Lap   Points  Q/R

 1.m-peltonen  FIN     1´53.356    4.    38´31.268               1´53.555        25     +3 
 2.Zkippe      FIN     1´52.998    2.    38´31.360   +0.092      1´52.888        20      0
 3.johnkiller2 SWE     1´53.743    5.    39´04.015   +32.747     1´54.912        16     +2
 4.Paginas     UK      1´55.048   11.    39´04.389   +33.127     1´54.821        13     +7
 5.Simo911     FIN     1´52.807    1.    39´15.423   +44.155     1´55.657        11     -4
 6.eppe00      FIN     1´54.110    6.    39´20.438   +49.170     1´55.718        10      0
 7.Moleman     UK      1´54.652    9.    39´28.709   +57.441     1´54.982         9     +2 
 8.teijo67     FIN     1´54.587    7.    39.44.944   +1´13.676   1´56.079         8     -1
 9.chorda      SWE     1´54.619    8.    39´45.035   +1´13.767   1´54.367         7     -1
10.Bigadz83    UK      1´54.667   10.    40´12.188   +1´40.920   1´56.110         6      0
11.FittCP      SWE     1´55.754   13.    40´41.116   +2´09.848   1´57.617         5     +2
12.Ayrton_S    UK      1´55.324   12.    40´53.738   +2´22.470   1´57.655         4      0
13.Scanny_F    UK      1´58.729   14.    Running                 1´58.449         3     +1
14.Schumi74    SWE     1´53.328    3.    Running                 1´55.596         2    -11 
15.GTP_BAZZ    SWE     ********    *     "Pace-Car"              3´31.705         1      *

 
   TEAM RESULTS
   
   1.FIN 74 
   2.UK  35
   3.SWE 31

 

[Scanny_Flick]

i had a bit of a nightmare, had to use my ds3 last night and forgot that the low battery warning flashed up during practice and then on lap 8 the inevitable happened!

For those few that saw me rolling slowly backwards into the middle of the track on the back straight, that was when i was frantically emptying the contents of the draw where my cable is kept

 

[RamoSapiens]

Pace car leading the Group

Pace car pitting. The Race has begun.

Tight with Teijo,Bigadz? and chorda.

 

[Sail IC]

Fun and interesting race. Team Finland was not only individually fastest but had the best team tactic. Harsch but totally fair, and I think this is what this series is all about. Impressive display in team tactics.

After the start we got into a 1-2-3 Finland follwed by Schumi and myself. After two laps, Finland put their seemingly fastest driver third (Simo), and started to slow down Schumi and me. The two front Finns disappeared in the horizon as Simo laped in the 1'57 (qualed at 1'52.x).

Schumi had a great battle with the Simo who skillfully drove as slow as possible. I just concervatively followed behind. This allowed some cars further down the field to catch up and we became five cars in this battle. Around lap eight, Schumi did a mistake and went off track so it was my turn to attack Simo.

Around lap 12 I overtook Simo on the start/finish straight. In the entry of the first corner Simo's front right lightly touched my rear left and Simo went off track. I looked at the replay, and to me it was a racing incident with no blaim on either of the drivers.

The rest of the race I battled with Paginas. I raced him a lot before, and he is an extremely clean driver so I knew it be fun. I was fortunate to cross the finish line in third just a head of Paginas.

 

[RamoSapiens]

I did get 1 PM regarding warnings/penalties from the Race.

Here is the Stewards (eppe/Johan) decisions:

Bigadz: 1 warning for Blocking on main straight, 15 sec penalty for causing
an accident( braking late into the chicane), resultating in opponent spinning out.

Bigadz, please watch the replay. PM me Your toughts about the incidents also!

Because it was the Pre-Race I wont change the results.
But it is a reminder for everyone, that penalties will be
given next week when the championship starts.

In my opinion there is only 1 safe place to overtake at Suzuka.The 1:st corner.
Trying at other places will be dangerous, unless Your opponent is doing a mistake, and there is plenty of room.

 

[Lambolover]

I did get 1 PM regarding warnings/penalties from the Race.

Here is the Stewards (eppe/Johan) decisions:

Bigadz: 1 warning for Blocking on main straight, 15 sec penalty for causing
an accident( braking late into the chicane), resultating in opponent spinning out.

Bigadz, please watch the replay. PM me Your toughts about the incidents also!

Because it was the Pre-Race I wont change the results.
But it is a reminder for everyone, that penalties will be
given next week when the championship starts.

In my opinion there is only 1 safe place to overtake at Suzuka.The 1:st corner.
Trying at other places will be dangerous, unless Your opponent is doing a mistake, and there is plenty of room.

So there was 2 complaints then, 1 for blocking and 1 for causing an accident?
I'll look at the replay later and wont make comment until then.

 

[Paginas1]

Yup great race woo we beat the sweeds hehe!!!

Just to point out about overtaking moves i done some good 1s:
I did a fantastic overtake on someone (A Fin i think) at where Kobayashi did some overtakes on F1. Went wide before corner so i got the inside lane and bang late on the breaks and i swooped pasted i was pleased with that overtake.

Also i overtook Johan on the spoon corner? with a late break, i tried a 2nd time but overshot and he got me back on the inside.

overall good race i think simo? (forgot his name) knocked me off onto the grass on a few breaking points but luckerly kept it on a striaght line.
I would of protested if not a preseason race when he got my slipstream coming up the back striaght and then just cut me up kocking me onto the grass which made me lose control in the left bend losing 2 places (Johan and Shumi, not sure if you saw it) was a bit pissed off with that.....

Apart from that was fine and has some good battles with my worst ememy johan!!!! hehe

 

[Denilson]

In my opinion there is only 1 safe place to overtake at Suzuka.The 1:st corner.
Trying at other places will be dangerous, unless Your opponent is doing a mistake, and there is plenty of room.

I'd say that the 2 straights are far more safe than turn 1.

 

[Denilson]

OFFICIAL RESULTS : PRE-RACE 2

  GT5    ***Nordic GT500 Championship***   Pre-Race 2 at Suzuka 18+1 laps  10.2.2011


   Driver      Nat     Q-Time   Q-Pos    Race Time    Gap        Fastest Lap   Points  Q/R

 1.m-peltonen  FIN     1´53.356    4.    38´31.268               1´53.555        25     +3 
 2.Zkippe      FIN     1´52.998    2.    38´31.360   +0.092      1´52.888        20      0
 3.johnkiller2 SWE     1´53.743    5.    39´04.015   +32.747     1´54.912        16     +2
 4.Paginas     UK      1´55.048   11.    39´04.389   +33.127     1´54.821        13     +7
 5.Simo911     FIN     1´52.807    1.    39´15.423   +44.155     1´55.657        11     -4
 6.eppe00      FIN     1´54.110    6.    39´20.438   +49.170     1´55.718        10      0
 7.Moleman     UK      1´54.652    9.    39´28.709   +57.441     1´54.982         9     +2 
 8.teijo67     FIN     1´54.587    7.    39.44.944   +1´13.676   1´56.079         8     -1
 9.chorda      SWE     1´54.619    8.    39´45.035   +1´13.767   1´54.367         7     -1
10.Bigadz83    UK      1´54.667   10.    40´12.188   +1´40.920   1´56.110         6      0
11.FittCP      SWE     1´55.754   13.    40´41.116   +2´09.848   1´57.617         5     +2
12.Ayrton_S    UK      1´55.324   12.    40´53.738   +2´22.470   1´57.655         4      0
13.Scanny_F    UK      1´58.729   14.    Running                 1´58.449         3     +1
14.Schumi74    SWE     1´53.328    3.    Running                 1´55.596         2    -11 
15.GTP_BAZZ    SWE     ********    *     "Pace-Car"              3´31.705         1      *

 
   TEAM RESULTS
   
   1.FIN 74 
   2.UK  35
   3.SWE 31

Nice table!! 👍

 

[HortusIX]

hi there,

it looks like this league is about to get underway properly soon but is it too late to be put forward as a reserve driver for the UK?

thanks

 

[RamoSapiens]

hi there,

it looks like this league is about to get underway properly soon but is it too late to be put forward as a reserve driver for the UK?

thanks

Hi!

I think the UK needs every help they can get.👍
So if You´re a clean&fast driver I´m sure they take You
in the Team. We have in Finland for ex. qualis to sort out
the fastest to each track. Think UK also did some qualis,
but I´m not sure...But please read the #1 post for the rules
and regulations. We try to race as clean as possible here.

 

[HortusIX]

Hi!

I think the UK needs every help they can get.👍
So if You´re a clean&fast driver I´m sure they take You
in the Team. We have in Finland for ex. qualis to sort out
the fastest to each track. Think UK also did some qualis,
but I´m not sure...But please read the #1 post for the rules
and regulations. We try to race as clean as possible here.

hi there, thanks for the reply.

i have read the rules and it seems like this is the sort of racing that i prefer to compete in. i would consider my driving style clean and fair on the whole so perhaps this is a good place to come to race. i'm not a slowcoach either

 

[Lambolover]

So as an appeal was launched against me I thought I would look at the moves in question, ready to take the blame if I was wrong.

As a pre season race, I am not bothered but I wanted to show the move to see what people thought as I (or anyone else) may have been given a 15 second penalty for this. Besides, the action shots are quite good. 👍

I am not looking for an argument or anything btw Simply to discuss.

So this is approaching the chicane with a slipstream. With a car close behind I would personally be going defensive braking on the inside.

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The door is open so the move begins...

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Alongside at this point...

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Down the inside, no contact, ahead before the apex and has track position. Competitor can see me at this point.

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Point of contact as competitor chooses to turn in. I am still on the brakes deep into the turn.

Competitor runs wide as a result of hitting me...

See the point of contact on the two cars, just ahead of my rear wheel/front right of competitor.

Competitor returning across the grass, I have maintained control throughout the move not using other cars to slow or stay on the track.

Competitor hits my rear end while returning to the track.

Please let me know if you think there is anything wrong with this move?

 

[RamoSapiens]

Really nice evidence.👍 Good job with the crappy replay system.

As I said that part went by for me when I watched the replay.
But it certainly seems to me that it was a clean overtake.

We are going next week to try a new system for the Penalties.
Instead of PM:ing me You PM the Guy that You think caused
You an accident. If he admits, You PM me, so I give the Penalty.
If he doesn´t, 2-3 Stewards take a look at the incident.

Corner-cut accusings will be sent to me directly. But I want
the exact time of the cut, lap isn´t good enough.
For ex. 4´25 eppe00 cutted a corner gaining a position..

 

[RamoSapiens]

BTW. I haven´t earlier noticed that there will be those black
marks on the car after contact. But they actually shows pretty
much when searching for the truth in a accident.

 

[Lambolover]

Really nice evidence.👍 Good job with the crappy replay system.

As I said that part went by for me when I watched the replay.
But it certainly seems to me that it was a clean overtake.

We are going next week to try a new system for the Penalties.
Instead of PM:ing me You PM the Guy that You think caused
You an accident. If he admits, You PM me, so I give the Penalty.
If he doesn´t, 2-3 Stewards take a look at the incident.

Corner-cut accusings will be sent to me directly. But I want
the exact time of the cut, lap isn´t good enough.
For ex. 4´25 eppe00 cutted a corner gaining a position..

Yeah sounds like a good idea to try out.

I just thought I would look, see how people view this type of thing. It also gave the chance to get some nice pics onto my computer. the rendering on premium cars is really impressive.

 

[Sail IC]

Let me first say ..... When Eppe first looked at the incident he didn't see any wrong. I'm the one who convinced Eppe there was an error. So blaim me if you feel treated wrongly.

I'm really happy you took the effort and posted the excellent pictures. In the replay, it lookad as you were coming from behind and pushed Corda off track. It was not visible that you actually was ahead of Chorda entering the corner. This put it in a different perspective.

Not sure at all how to view it, but it might be a good idea to discuss it here now when we have such great picture. I'm actually not sure at all how we should deal with racing incidents in the championship.

Take 1. Bigdaz is ahead at corner entry, so the corner is "his". Any contact in the corner can not be viewed as Bigdaz fault

Take 2. very late overtaking manouver by Bigdaz, going wide and leaving no space for Chorda to take the corner

I guess this can be debated forever.

 

[RamoSapiens]

This is copied from GTP Online race rules:

08: Corner Rights:


A:
When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

B:
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver’s position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.

C:
If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.

D:
If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn’t give you an automatic right to pass. You still have to judge if their error allows for a safe pass to take place.

E:
Drivers who are using PS2/PS3 controller MUST make additional effort in driving due to the fact they can't use side-view, and their perception of the other cars is thereby limited - extreme caution while maneuvering is required. If you are using a controller, you are required to set buttons up for side views as "I didn't see you." is not an excuse if you collide with another driver when racing.

 

[Lambolover]

Johan I wasn't looking blame just prove my innocence and/or discuss the incident. I can appreciate you cannot study each incident in detail. Therefore I would say that if people disagree with a decision that they also have an opportunity to appeal and put together evidence which can then be looked at again?
If an incident is 50/50 then you have to put it down to racing. I am happy to be a steward myself if it helps when incidents involve Sweden vs Finland.

 

[Paginas1]

Wow some good discussions here.

From my point (not being bias lol) Bigadz made the overtake and was infront before corner (just) Chorda had enough room to stay out wide and then attack him on the next striaght, however he didnt and contact was made.... Then chorda went off tack and came straight back on without any care and contact was made again.